Car repainting question

[problemfarang]

hi guys,

I have ford focus hatchback 2010.. good car and shes still keeping up. No serious problems or else. but of course small things due to her age. Well of course vanishing car paint is one of them and some small scratches. So im planning to repaint it. i found a nice garage to do. They do good and cheap. My friend painted his car and its 4-5 years now and still like new. 

 

Also, i looked some car forums (not thai) and they keep saying painting will lower the value of the car if need to sell. Reason is no shop can do same as original factory paint and some of them cannot even make the same color. Now this is important for me because my plan is to get a new car probably in 2 years.. i will take mine to the shop and give it and get a new car from the same shop.  

 

i want to ask if you know anything about this: will the shop make any economical problem because of the repainting in thailand? OR if you have any suggestions?

 

thanks

[CharlieH]

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[problemfarang]

7 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

More suited to MOTORING FORUM

 

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thanks

[CharlieH]

There is a big difference in "touch up" and full body paint.

 

What exactly did you have mind ? A full body paint can if not done correctly make a car almost worthless.

 

The general form is the car dealer will telephone some local 2nd hand dealers and they will make an offer on it, upto you to accept it or not. The main dealer you are buying the new car from wont take it off you.Thats how it works in my neck of the woods, of course others may have a different experience.

[problemfarang]

7 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

There is a big difference in "touch up" and full body paint.

 

What exactly did you have mind ? A full body paint can if not done correctly make a car almost worthless.

 

The general form is the car dealer will telephone some local 2nd hand dealers and they will make an offer on it, upto you to accept it or not. The main dealer you are buying the new car from wont take it off you.Thats how it works in my neck of the woods, of course others may have a different experience.

 

hi and thanks for the response,

 

Well not full body paint. There are some parts where paint is off. some small some kinda large areas. Worst is on the top its more than 30cm. So you can say its touch up. total will be 10K baht. and they do good job i know because of my friends car. 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, problemfarang said:

 So you can say its touch up. total will be 10K baht. and they do good job i know because of my friends car. 

Seems to me you have answered your own question. ????

We have a body shop in New Sukhothai and they can produce OEM finish because they have all the proffesional equipment to be able to do so. 

[stubuzz]

When buying a car, i prefer original scratched paint over freshly painted.

[ThailandRyan]

I use my class 1 insurance and near the end of the year have all of the dings and scratches removed and painted. No issues and it's like it was when I bought it.

[Yellowtail]

3 hours ago, problemfarang said:

 

hi and thanks for the response,

 

Well not full body paint. There are some parts where paint is off. some small some kinda large areas. Worst is on the top its more than 30cm. So you can say its touch up. total will be 10K baht. and they do good job i know because of my friends car. 

 

The only real concern with buying a used car that has been repainted is whether the car was significantly damaged prior to being repainted.

 

Your car has no significant damage, so just take some before and after photos, particularly of the areas that have been repainted. You can show the photos to any potential buyer and reassure them the car has not been wrecked.. 

 

It will be a fourteen-fifteen year old Focus when you trade it. The value is not going to change significantly. A good looking old car is easier to sell than a crappy looking old car. Get the car painted and enjoy if the last few years you have it. 

[problemfarang]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

 

The only real concern with buying a used car that has been repainted is whether the car was significantly damaged prior to being repainted.

 

Your car has no significant damage, so just take some before and after photos, particularly of the areas that have been repainted. You can show the photos to any potential buyer and reassure them the car has not been wrecked.. 

 

It will be a fourteen-fifteen year old Focus when you trade it. The value is not going to change significantly. A good looking old car is easier to sell than a crappy looking old car. Get the car painted and enjoy if the last few years you have it. 

 

thats a great suggestion, thanks i'll do that

she has no accident nothing. scratches are from trees and likewise things..

Edited April 21, 2021 by problemfarang

[keithkarmann]

15 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Seems to me you have answered your own question. ????

We have a body shop in New Sukhothai and they can produce OEM finish because they have all the proffesional equipment to be able to do so. 

Need to repaint my 2003 Nissan Exciter do you have the name of the company in Sukhothai? Thanks

[Tuvoc]

18 hours ago, problemfarang said:

Now this is important for me because my plan is to get a new car probably in 2 years..

 

That being the case, if it was me I'd just leave it as it is. You'll get it painted and it may well collect new scratches etc over the next 2 years. If you were keeping it 5 years I can see the appeal, but personally I'd just leave it. Obviously your call, it is your car.

[Ralf001]

16 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Seems to me you have answered your own question. ????

We have a body shop in New Sukhothai and they can produce OEM finish because they have all the proffesional equipment to be able to do so. 

 

I had my Skoda repainted about 6 months ago, looks even better than brand new.

 

Fantastic results can be had from shops that have the correct gear and skilled employees.

[AlQaholic]

The 2nd hand dealer will make an offer based on the condition of the car. If repainting is needed, of course the offer will be lower, reflecting the fact they will have to spend money repainting. The lower offer because of poor paint will probably be more than the money you spend on painting. They will then spend far less on actually painting, doing a <deleted> job just to be able to sell, nobody buys a car with paint problems, given there are so many second hand cars to choose amongst. The 2nd hand dealer always give a terrible offer anyways. A Ford that is 11 years old will be worth almost nothing.

I would repaint and try to find a private buyer, however, that is pretty difficult.

Edited April 22, 2021 by AlQaholic

[rwill]

One thing to remember is that if you change the color of your car you have to go to DLT and tell them.

 

 

[Nanaplaza666]

As i saw one other poster say and i totally agree with that , 11 year old car will get you nothing selling it doesn't matter where private or dealer . If you wan't to repaint it for yourself because you just want ot to look better , go ahead . But if you just want to make it look better because you think you will get a better price selling it , i wouldn't bother . Even you buy your car brand new here in thailand and try to sell it a year later the offer you get everywhere is a disgrace(same with motorbikes and lots of other stuff) .

[natway09]

If only plan on keeping 2 years, would not bother,

Unless perfect job a potential buyer will see it & assume been in an accident

[Kwasaki]

4 hours ago, keithkarmann said:

Need to repaint my 2003 Nissan Exciter do you have the name of the company in Sukhothai? Thanks

It's been a while but I've use them 3 times and there's some marks on my truck I want to get done.

I will try and get there details for you, I don't want to go at the moment because there have been covid cases and rising in New Sukhothai, flinging Songkran.

 

If you live near they are on the same side of road and near the Water companies office that's all I have for now.

[Kwasaki]

16 hours ago, problemfarang said:

 

thats a great suggestion, thanks i'll do that

she has no accident nothing. scratches are from trees and likewise things..

Great idea will feel good to you for a couple of years and make it look good to sell.

[KhaoYai]

On 4/21/2021 at 7:25 AM, problemfarang said:

Also, i looked some car forums (not thai) and they keep saying painting will lower the value of the car if need to sell.

Then those forums talk rubbish. A well done repaint, done by a professional, will not be recognisable to anyone other than possibly another professional.

 

However, due to the effects of the climate in Thailand, it can be exceptionally difficult or impossible to get an exact match - especially on older cars.  Even a good match in daylight can look off-shade under certain artificial lights (street lights) due to metamerism. This phenomena affects some colours more than others - reds are a swine.

 

As a (retired) professional myself, I'd be ashamed if anyone could tell I'd repainted a car.

 

If the extent of the damage to your car is much more than the odd panel or two - get a full repaint and avoid any problems with matching. A decent job should enhance the value of an older car, not detract from it.

[PFMills]

2 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

Then those forums talk rubbish. A well done repaint, done by a professional, will not be recognisable to anyone other than possibly another professional.

 

However, due to the effects of the climate in Thailand, it can be exceptionally difficult or impossible to get an exact match - especially on older cars.  Even a good match in daylight can look off-shade under certain artificial lights (street lights) due to metamerism. This phenomena affects some colours more than others - reds are a swine.

 

As a (retired) professional myself, I'd be ashamed if anyone could tell I'd repainted a car.

 

If the extent of the damage to your car is much more than the odd panel or two - get a full repaint and avoid any problems with matching. A decent job should enhance the value of an older car, not detract from it.

Is it true that the quality of the clear coat is very important as a poor quality one might bloom or look dull in a few years.

Edited April 22, 2021 by PFMills

[KhaoYai]

34 minutes ago, PFMills said:

Is it true that the quality of the clear coat is very important as a poor quality one might bloom or look dull in a few years.

 

Dulling, blistering and lack of adhesion are all problems that can occur with clears so yes, the quality is important but the application and timing are just as critical. 

 

The correct recipe is, quality paint, correct application and the correct environment for the system used. 

 

There are other factors such as water based vs solvent based systems but I'd need to write you a whole sermon on that. Although the bigger shops may have moved over to water based, the 'local' shops I've seen in Thailand are still using solvent based paints.

 

Water based systems can be tricky and require a different environment to traditional solvent based systems. Given the environment and potential lack of training, in Thailand, I'd go for solvent based every time. 

 

[DavisH]

Note that if only some panels are repainted, it will be noticeable if the paint is not a perfect match the the original. I have th wife's swift fulyl repainted several years ago due to many scratches. Since then, we had a door and a bumper repainted. But are the same blue colour but you can tell in some angles its been repainted. You can tell that on many cars passing by that one door is different to the rest of the car. 

If the car looks good it will be easier to sell, than it it looks rubbish. But the selling price won't change much. We got 230K for our hond civic 2004 model 2 years ago. Easy to sell as everying was in good condition. 

[SiSePuede419]

On 4/20/2021 at 11:25 PM, problemfarang said:

They do good and cheap.

Aaaaaaaand it will never look as good as the original and won't last as long.  Can't.  Impossible.  They don't have the equipment like the factory.

 

Who cares?  Paint doesn't make the car run better.*

 

*That being said, I take care of my paint, wash almost weekly and polish (Nufinish) it 4 times a year, every 3 months.  After 9 years, still looks great, except for some minor dings on the hood from rock chips.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Aaaaaaaand it will never look as good as the original and won't last as long.  Can't.  Impossible.  They don't have the equipment like the factory.

 

Who cares?  Paint doesn't make the car run better.*

 

*That being said, I take care of my paint, wash almost weekly and polish (Nufinish) it 4 times a year, every 3 months.  After 9 years, still looks great, except for some minor dings on the hood from rock chips.

 

 

 

Most auto manufacturers are using robotic paint which is really not that great. A skilled painter with a decent gun can easily lay down a better finish than typical factory paint.

[KhaoYai]

1 hour ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Aaaaaaaand it will never look as good as the original and won't last as long.  Can't.  Impossible.  They don't have the equipment like the factory.

Rubbish! I painted panels and full cars for a large part of my working life and I would defy you to tell the difference between a car I'd repaired and the factory finish - even 10 years later. A good painter even tries to re-create factory defects such as orange peel.

 

The equipment used in the factory is different to that used in refinishing because the paint is different and they are doing it for speed and efficiency as part of a production line. That does not mean that the equipment used in a refinishing shop is worse than that used in the factory - its just a different process.  For example, in most factories the process of applying etching primer is done by dipping because that allows the primer to get into all cavities easily and quickly.  Clearly it is impossible to dip a built car but with extra time and cavity invading rustproofer, the same process can be achieved - it just takes longer,

 

A well done refinish paint job will in fact, outlast a factory job if done right. I accept that it rarely is done 100% right, that would cost too much but its not often necessary to do it 100% right unless you're expecting 30 years from a car.

 

Your claims of 'can't' and 'impossible' are totally wrong - its down to the operative.

Edited April 22, 2021 by KhaoYai

[KhaoYai]

3 hours ago, DavisH said:

Note that if only some panels are repainted, it will be noticeable if the paint is not a perfect match the the original.

I'll let you into a secret, very few re-painted panels are a perfect match.  Factory paint varies in shade for several reasons.  With metallic and mica/pearl finishes, even the style of the painter or the pressure at his gun will affect the shade. However, what we usually do is 'blend' a repair into adjacent panels so you can't see the difference. Its only when an 'edge to edge' repair is carried out that you see the difference.

Edited April 22, 2021 by KhaoYai

[Toosetinmyways]

The OP uses the words good and cheap regarding repainting a car. In my opinion this is difficult to obtain in Thailand.

 

This is how a cheap full body respray was done on the wife's Volvo. At the insistence of the insurance company?

Car was extremely poorly masked up with over spray everywhere.

A sealer coat was applied to the factory finish which may or  not been flatted down.

The color coat was applied using a single pack nitro cellulose paint with single coat. No clear coat.

Color match was terrible due to uneven top coat applied allowing the white sealer coat to bleed through.

Car was painted with Toyota metallic silver instead of Volvo.

Car looked so bad I sanded it back to the factory finish and had it resprayed by a professional body shop using a paint booth.

[Yellowtail]

16 minutes ago, Toosetinmyways said:

The OP uses the words good and cheap regarding repainting a car. In my opinion this is difficult to obtain in Thailand.

 

This is how a cheap full body respray was done on the wife's Volvo. At the insistence of the insurance company?

Car was extremely poorly masked up with over spray everywhere.

A sealer coat was applied to the factory finish which may or  not been flatted down.

The color coat was applied using a single pack nitro cellulose paint with single coat. No clear coat.

Color match was terrible due to uneven top coat applied allowing the white sealer coat to bleed through.

Car was painted with Toyota metallic silver instead of Volvo.

Car looked so bad I sanded it back to the factory finish and had it resprayed by a professional body shop using a paint booth.

 

Why didn't you take it to a professional shop to start with?

[canthai55]

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Why didn't you take it to a professional shop to start with?

This is how a cheap full body respray was done on the wife's Volvo. At the insistence of the insurance company?