Thailand reports daily record of 9,635 new COVID-19 cases, including jail cluster

[Petey11]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Apart from the prison system, and clusters in Bangkok, this wave is receding.

 

if you disagree, please post where the wave is increasing, outside of the places I just mentioned.

Coming back to the old theme, how much random testing is been carried out on the other 50 million population apart from Bangkok? Those tambons in Issan, those who are riding out infections at home, elderly dying at home in villages with no confirmation or pneumonia. The people tested in Thailand is shamefully low. If it is down to resources the authorities should day so, sorry, we don't have the resources. Chonburi testing 1000-1500, in what size population?

[Suua]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Today, there are 35 cases reported in Isaan.  Do you think the number if off by 10 cases, 100 cases, or 1000 cases? 

 

Let me give you a hint: the authorities test in areas where walk-in cases of Covid present at hospitals in large numbers. 

The authorities need to be testing hundreds of thousands/millions to get a handle on this

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, Jimbo2014 said:

 This is slipping away fast and little vax in sight.

Classic Doomsayer.

 

Next month, this poster can point to the inevitable 1,000 fatalities and claim that this was a catastrophe, even if the wave has receded by then. 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Today, there are 35 cases reported in Isaan.  Do you think the number if off by 10 cases, 100 cases, or 1000 cases? 

 

Let me give you a hint: the authorities test in areas where walk-in cases of Covid present at hospitals in large numbers. 

Yes proving the government is not doing enough to find cases through mass testing randomly. To avoid the clusters forming

[vandeventer]

5 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Kaboom, there you have it.  The jails, well many of them have reported.  Lets hope they can get a handle on it.  It is not just inmates, everyone that works in or around the facilities are at risk.  Get the vaccinations rolling out. 2782 cases also not related to the prisons, so that number keeps on rolling.  Waiting to see that breakdown of where those cases are throughout Thailand, but of course at least half may be in Bangkok with the newly found clusters amongst construction workers camps.

Just a thought why don't they vaccinate the inmates and guards first? They may have to fill out plenty of forms but Hey time is on their side.

[Ombra]

5 hours ago, dcsw53 said:

Proves that statistics given by the Thai government are not worth the paper they are written on. How many other cases of falsification and sweeping bad news under the carpet are there ? Temples and orphanages next ?

Or the army.

[edwardandtubs]

8 minutes ago, Petey11 said:

Coming back to the old theme, how much random testing is been carried out on the other 50 million population apart from Bangkok? Those tambons in Issan, those who are riding out infections at home, elderly dying at home in villages with no confirmation or pneumonia. The people tested in Thailand is shamefully low. If it is down to resources the authorities should day so, sorry, we don't have the resources. Chonburi testing 1000-1500, in what size population?

Thailand isn't a developed country like the United Kingdom. You make mass testing sound like a simple thing that they could just click their fingers and start doing overnight. It took the UK many months and a lot of money to get their mass testing off the ground. As mass vaccination is due to start next month, would it really be a good use of Thailand's limited budget to invest in the infrastructure for mass testing now?

Edited May 17, 2021 by edwardandtubs

[Suua]

5 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

It is receding in most areas of Thailand - fact.

 

Why deny it?

You mean testing is receding?

[robsamui]

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I think it's safe to say that now we know for sure that the govt has been hiding numbers ipso facto the numbers now can not be taken at face value from the very beginning when some of us on here said don't trust the numbers and got poopooed by many.

It was suspected that the government was producing unrealistic figures for a very long time. For 8 months (prior to the virus eruptions in the fish markets of Bangkok) there was no reporting from hospitals and there was no testing. Deaths were being marked down as influenza.

 

The government were simply hoping that it would all just go away by itself, in the course of time. That was the thinking that caused them to not lay-in any supplies of vaccine.

 

Anyone with half a brain could predict that very suddenly the whole thing would erupt and get out of hand.

 

And now that it's out in the open, the figures are still completely unreliable, due to Thailand's antiquated communications infrastructure. 

 

Each province is its own little isolated system and there is no centralised backbone of interconnection between different elements of each and a government database.

 

There is no no automated-system for reporting statistics from hospitals and prisons - all such reporting is done manually with reports being sent to the province's governor, who then amends/modifies/approves them and sends them on to central government.

 

But the good old Thai Loss of Face kicks in . . . hospital managers and prison governors don't want to lose face and admit their institutions are rotten with Covid, and so they fudge the figures. The Provincial Governor is sent these false  figures (or they are simply not reported to him) and he, in turn, blushes with embarrassment and saves his own face by lying about them when he makes his report - by hand - to central government.

 

And then then the representatives of central government do the same thing all over again, themselves.

 

I hope other nations are watching all this - they need to see this model of how to do things properly and "have everything under control".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 17, 2021 by robsamui

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

Short memory. I wonder why?

 

Look at these daily update threads from a month ago.

You missed what your definition is of what constitutes a "doommonger" as "old people"?

 

My memories pretty good, infact never better.

 

So back to the claim you made, no evidence then in the last month?

 

The talk of exponential growth in charts was beaten to death because of its definition well before then. However I'll wait for your confirmation.

[Suua]

4 hours ago, DavisH said:

LOL, so go to sime up country village and do mass testing and you will find thousands of cases? You are insane. There is NO comparison between a crowded village and an issan village. Ask members in local villages here if they are seeing hundreds of cases of covid. 

Easy solution to this......test and you'll know the answer.....very very simple.

[Kadilo]

5 hours ago, AlfHuy said:

Who told you that?

His troll master. 

[edwardandtubs]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You missed what your definition is of what constitutes a "doommonger" as "old people"?

 

My memories pretty good, infact never better.

 

So back to the claim you made, no evidence then in the last month?

 

The talk of exponential growth in charts was beaten to death because of its definition well before then. However I'll wait for your confirmation.

What I wrote was a reply to someone who appeared to be suggesting that cases were now exponential. Feel free to go back and read the context if you feel that strongly about it.

Edited May 17, 2021 by edwardandtubs

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, edwardandtubs said:

What I wrote was a reply to someone who appeared to be suggesting that cases were now exponential.

They are in the prisons did you not notice, perhaps your age is catching up with you.

[meltonpie]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

To be clear, the numbers outside the prison system reflect a 5% positivity rate, with a daily random walk. 

Johns Hopkins:

What does a high percent positive mean?

A high percent positive means that more testing should probably be done—and it suggests that it is not a good time to relax restrictions aimed at reducing coronavirus transmission. Because a high percentage of positive tests suggests high coronavirus infection rates (due to high transmission in the community), a high percent positive can indicate it may be a good time to add restrictions to slow the spread of disease.

How high is too high?

The higher the percent positive is, the more concerning it is. As a rule of thumb, however, one threshold for the percent positive being “too high” is 5%

 

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/covid-19-testing-understanding-the-percent-positive.html

[Excel]

Just now, meltonpie said:

Johns Hopkins:

What does a high percent positive mean?

A high percent positive means that more testing should probably be done—and it suggests that it is not a good time to relax restrictions aimed at reducing coronavirus transmission. Because a high percentage of positive tests suggests high coronavirus infection rates (due to high transmission in the community), a high percent positive can indicate it may be a good time to add restrictions to slow the spread of disease.

How high is too high?

The higher the percent positive is, the more concerning it is. As a rule of thumb, however, one threshold for the percent positive being “too high” is 5%

 

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/covid-19-testing-understanding-the-percent-positive.html

I like that big bold text

[riparian]

It would be interesting to know which variant they have in the prisons

[Jiggo]

6 hours ago, dcsw53 said:

Proves that statistics given by the Thai government are not worth the paper they are written on. How many other cases of falsification and sweeping bad news under the carpet are there ? Temples and orphanages next ?

What about Army Barracks......as well 

[candide]

6 hours ago, DLock said:

But Thailand has done an amazing job...

But motorcycle deaths are much higher...

But Thailand is testing according to WHO recommendations...

But Thailand is doing great compared to the rest of the world...

But the virus has peaked and should go down in the next week...

But these cases are only in prisons and not worth worrying about...

 

Almost 10% increase in 1 day.

 

But...what's the next excuse?

It's just a slopped plateau! ????

Edited May 17, 2021 by candide

[curlylekan]

I find it interesting the article announces where the Sinovac vaccine comes from, but not Astra Zeneca.

[ourmanflint]

21 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

Thailand isn't a developed country like the United Kingdom. You make mass testing sound like a simple thing that they could just click their fingers and start doing overnight. It took the UK many months and a lot of money to get their mass testing off the ground. As mass vaccination is due to start next month, would it really be a good use of Thailand's limited budget to invest in the infrastructure for mass testing now?

Malaysia is doing between 2x and 7x the amount of tests daily that Thailand is doing. There is just no excuse for not doing much more

[OneeyedJohn]

5 hours ago, AlfHuy said:

Question is, where will all those infected inmates go for treatment?

 

Prison hospital?

 

[dinsdale]

24 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

Thailand isn't a developed country like the United Kingdom. You make mass testing sound like a simple thing that they could just click their fingers and start doing overnight. It took the UK many months and a lot of money to get their mass testing off the ground. As mass vaccination is due to start next month, would it really be a good use of Thailand's limited budget to invest in the infrastructure for mass testing now?

Had well over a year now. They can afford subs can't they. Maybe have to spend some of that huge surplus they have to help the people. Help more than any sumarine will. You are mistaken if you think Thailand is poor it just has lots of poor people. 

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Had well over a year now. They can afford subs can't they. Maybe have to spend some of that huge surplus they have to help the people. Help more than any sumarine will. You are mistaken if you think Thailand is poor it just has lots of poor people. 

And they have the most billionaires as well.  Far from a third world country.  Every country has its backwoods areas.  Even the US.  

[edwardandtubs]

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They are in the prisons did you not notice, perhaps your age is catching up with you.

I know they're in prisons. Where did I suggest otherwise? You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You appear to be suffering from dementia.

[AlQaholic]

Don't commit a crime in Thailand.....

Edited May 17, 2021 by AlQaholic

[Excel]

Just now, AlQaholic said:

Spot the lady boy ????

[edwardandtubs]

8 minutes ago, curlylekan said:

I find it interesting the article announces where the Sinovac vaccine comes from, but not Astra Zeneca.

Only gifts from our masters in China will save us from this farang plague.

[AlQaholic]

2 minutes ago, Excel said:

Spot the lady boy ????

Is it the one that sleeps all by himself? Far from the other prisoners?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, edwardandtubs said:

I know they're in prisons. Where did I suggest otherwise? You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You appear to be suffering from dementia.

LOL

 

Well why were you refuting the fact there was exponential growth then?

 

Still waiting for your definition of what constitutes a doommonger as an  "old" person