No to nightlife, yes to vaccinations: can Thailand’s Pattaya rebrand and reopen?

[redwood1]

8 minutes ago, scammed said:

pattaya without nightlife is as useful as a snow shuffle in sahara

 

Mega casinos will be built......Then we can have Sihanoukville part 2......

[rioD]

Having been to over 47 countries and to more cities than I can ever recall. I see no way Pattaya or Thailand in general, will become a magnet for primarily wealthy travelers anytime in the near future. They lack infrastructure and appeal.  The country remains somewhat dirty and dysfunctional, it's controlled by unstable military personnel and really there's nothing high end about the country.  I love Thailand, but it is what it is. The leaders are ridiculus and delusional.

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

 

Will the punters be double vaccinated?

100% of punters who travel from overseas will have to be double vaccinated to enter the country.

One of a plethora of requirements.

However as always Thais get off lightly, they can be 70% herd vaccinated with only one dose.

[Mike k]

7 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

 

Mega casinos will be built......Then we can have Sihanoukville part 2......

That won't happen till the government gets it's head out of it's a** and legalizes gambling. This government is so screwed up you can't play a friendly game of cards without being arrested 

[JonnyF]

Anyone who thinks the government is incapable of killing off Pattaya should take a look at Khaosarn Road.

 

By trying to make it 'better' they took away the very thing that made it popular. 

 

One day they might realize that the best thing they can do is leave things alone. If something isn't popular it will eventually die a natural death and be replaced by something that people want. If it isn't broken then don't try to fix it. 

[Nanaplaza666]

4 hours ago, davidmann said:

have learned over the years that everything comes to a end. ,Pattaya  and the world. will never be the same. 

blame game. CHINA , Thailand to many eggs in one Basket. ,got get new chicken 

The sex industry and profession is the oldest in the world i think this will never come to an end(a happy one for sure) and with all these guys being on onlyfans and chaturbate for over a year i geuss they will come back in hordes and this will be the business likely to get some reveneu as first .

[shackleton]

The Pattata  of old  plenty of bars restaurants  as we are now witnessing  will disappear go out of business ect ect 

The ones surviving will be the popular big ones who no doubt with lack of competition will increase prices to less custom being available the foreign tourist 

Its going to take a couple of years for tourists to start flowing back into Thailand  wont be  any cheap airfares either

Plus hotels will be wanting to recoup their losses  so prices up as well ????

[Nick33]

Lipstick on a pig...

[redwood1]

26 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Anyone who thinks the government is incapable of killing off Pattaya should take a look at Khaosarn Road.

 

By trying to make it 'better' they took away the very thing that made it popular. 

 

One day they might realize that the best thing they can do is leave things alone. If something isn't popular it will eventually die a natural death and be replaced by something that people want. If it isn't broken then don't try to fix it. 

 

The sterilization of Khaosarn Road. was 100% no accident same as all the tree and seating removal on Pattaya and Jomtien beach was no accident it was all done on purpose........They seem to simply love  sterilized dead places....

 

With lots and lots and lots and lots of palm trees...

Edited June 8, 2021 by redwood1

[DefaultName]

34 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

 

Mega casinos will be built......Then we can have Sihanoukville part 2......

Some are already built.  Several of the huge "hotel resort" complexes built in recent years were designed to be casinos.  Only fairly minor changes will be needed before they move the machines in and start the chips rattling.  A friend, who is in a position to know, tells me that he's seen rooms where casino equipment is stacked up ready.

 

Me, I hope that it never happens, look what it did to Sihanoukville.  ????  But money talks and there isn't the same high-level opposition to this that there used to be.

[connda]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

It is also looking to pivot from its reputation for go-go bars and sex work to more upmarket and family-friendly businesses

It is also looking to pivot from economic prosperity to a self-induced permanent economic depression.

Has anyone else noticed the government's use of Covid in order to create morality laws - close bars, close massage, close entertainment venues.  Yet all they accomplish is destroying once profitable segments of their economy.  If it wasn't for wealthy interests controlling the Thai alcohol monopolies, my guess is that the government would push full prohibition.

 

[BritManToo]

^^

I agree.

[connda]

47 minutes ago, rioD said:

Having been to over 47 countries and to more cities than I can ever recall. I see no way Pattaya or Thailand in general, will become a magnet for primarily wealthy travelers anytime in the near future. They lack infrastructure and appeal.  The country remains somewhat dirty and dysfunctional, it's controlled by unstable military personnel and really there's nothing high end about the country.  I love Thailand, but it is what it is. The leaders are ridiculus and delusional.

Well stated.  The starry-eyed, moralistic Thai elite are attempting to market "somewhat dirty and dysfunctional" as "clean and alluring" to the foreign rich, wealthy, and well-heeled - the average folk who were their bread and butter in the days of old be da*med.
Unfortunately the foreign rich, wealthy, and well-heeled are not interested in "somewhat dirty and dysfunctional."

A pig wearing lipstick and Louise Vuitton is just a well-dressed pig.

Thai elites and their new-found moralism are trying to market a pig as a mythical unicorn.  They only thing they have correct is what they are marketing is a truly mythical creature.
Look at Kaow San Road.  It once was a prosperous 500 lb pig and pig lovers flocked to see it.  Now all that is left is the smell of burnt bacon.  Now who is going to come?

Those who like upscale will travel to Singapore and truly upscale resorts elsewhere in the world where clean infrastructure exists.
Pig lovers will find a new pig.

[NoshowJones]

2 hours ago, chang1 said:

We will probably end up with yearly vaccinations same as flu, to cope with new variants for years to come. 

It will be here for good, we have got to fight against it, not run away from it. The whole world should gradually start opening up now.

The Chinese virus is here to stay, it is no problem to this self elected "PM" to keep the quarantine going. and the borders shut as it does not mean a drop in any of his salary, it probably increases it, the same applies to real politicians all over the world as well.

If all the worlds politicians were losing income, or their jobs and pensions were under any threat, they would soon find a way of getting things  to near enough normal.

 

Edited June 8, 2021 by possum1931

[BritManToo]

Just now, connda said:

Unfortunately the foreign rich, wealthy, and well-heeled are not interested in "somewhat dirty and dysfunctional."

They're not interested in being drowned in hotel swimming pools either.

[orchidfan]

3 hours ago, thurien said:

 

in TH we mostly sow (not plant) rice; and the months of sowing are well over - now the girls sell lady drinks via internet, nothing else to do. And play with their sibblings who do not recognize mother anymore

Agree entirely....don't see any "out of work" pole dancers getting their hands dirty (or exposing themselves to the dreaded sunshine) out on the farm. Only their mums, dads uncles and aunties do that kind if work.

Most I see eat, sleep, watch serials on TV, play with their phones, or kids, and look at themselves endlessly in the mirror. 

But they'll be on the next bus out once things open up again. 

[Caldera]

Families will head to safer destinations nearby their home without all of the hassle. Sex tourists, on the other hand, must be truly desperate to return to Pattaya. That's the market that's up for grabs - don't be silly, go for it!

[sammieuk1]

6 hours ago, jacko45k said:

When a country reaches 100% of it's people having been double vaccinated along with zero new infections for 30 days, perhaps we can add it to a green list and allow direct tourists. 

That quickly! very little point in aeroplanes anymore is there ????

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

That quickly! very little point in aeroplanes anymore is there ????

They might use them to deliver vaccines if they really wanted to progress.

[DTL2014]

well i'm a family and we want to fly across the world...to uk...apparently there is a lot of pent up demand...most people need a change of scene...so i refute your claim that ppl wont fly.

[connda]

7 hours ago, smedly said:

 if they were earnist in their convictions to rebrand Pattaya bulldozers would be flattening soi 6 as we speak - never a btter opportunity than right now

 

If they were earnest in their convictions to rebrand Pattaya, bulldozers should flatten Pattaya and start over somewhere else where the beaches don't wash away and where there is a First World infrastructure. 

People come to Thailand for Thailand.  Thailand is neither clean nor First World.
People who want clean and First World in South East Asia will go to places like Singapore.

If Thailand wants to be Singapore they are going to have to start from scratch.  You don't build a modern castle on foundations of clay on a delta sinking into a river.

[tifino]

 Extending the Testing and the Jabs all the way into the night would moot the nightlife (lack of) technicality... 

[connda]

16 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

They're not interested in being drowned in hotel swimming pools either.

See what happens when you go slumming?  ????

 

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, tifino said:

 Extending the Testing and the Jabs all the way into the night would moot the nightlife (lack of) technicality... 

Makes sense if they can supply the medical personnel.... 

[Harveyboy]

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Where?

OK im in

[Fex Bluse]

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Where?

 

I understand most have been using this "down" time (pun intended) to care for all those sick buffalo and brother's mother's sister's uncle's who are sick in the province.

[DTL2014]

7 hours ago, sezze said:

100% right . Families are not going to fly across the world right now , not gonna happen . You can even offer many free things , but right now , or even next year , chances of families visiting are close to 0 . Add on some difficult rules and you are down to 0.0 .

Who is interested of coming to Thailand ? People with some kind of ties with Thailand , like relatives , GF , business , and people who can change travel plans easy and fast . This all equates to the group of single man ( the business , and people with relatives in Thailand will try to come no matter what ) who is interested in coming . Like Thailand made it to holiday destination in the past , like it was expensive/difficult to get there , the people coming weren't the families but single people .

i'm desperate to fly with my family to uk and return to thailand when things have improved...so i dont agree because there are too many families that have been forcefully separated by these travel restrictions

[Ralf001]

4 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Open the doors and those girls will stop planting rice and be back to Pattaya to open-up again faster than you could ever imagine.

 

And the mamasans will be touting them as far fresh demanding 5000b barfine and 4000b Short Time.

[smudger1951]

Even before the covid-19 crisis they were allways talking about re-branding. The governments Kobkarn Wattannavrankul said Thailand is not here for sex. Welcome to a family-friendly Pattaya.

[Ralf001]

3 hours ago, petermik said:

daughters and even granddaughters...????

After couple of years away from the game they are all farm fresh on the inside.