Thailand will have one million electric cars by 2028

[kynikoi]

The hub of electric cars.

 

How stupid. With the natural gas they have why not continue using older, proven, cheaper technology.

 

Government can't even manage a vaccine program. Now it's going to manage this push??

 

People are flat broke. Nobody rushing to change vehicles.

 

Yeah, will go over great in Nakon Nowhere +4

[petedk]

10 minutes ago, kynikoi said:

The hub of electric cars.

 

How stupid. With the natural gas they have why not continue using older, proven, cheaper technology.

 

Government can't even manage a vaccine program. Now it's going to manage this push??

 

People are flat broke. Nobody rushing to change vehicles.

 

Yeah, will go over great in Nakon Nowhere +4

 

You are wrong about that.

Yes, most people are broke but the rich ain't broke. Our neighbours have 2 electric cars, both on red plates. Porche Taycan, and a BMW iX. They like expensive toys. 

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1 hour ago, rickudon said:

I actually think it is achievable. Note it did say 93% would be hybrids, so only 70,000 all electric. They may also not all be plugin hybrids. It would only require 100,000 electric vehicles to be manufactured a year, and it is likely a lot might be Chinese imports anyway. The realistic part is that no sane person will buy an all electric car in Thailand currently with it's <deleted> recharging infrastructure, unless you are going to use it only as a city runabout.

 

There are currently nearly 19 million registered vehicles in Thailand (so 1% electric), and this will presumably grow. So one million would only be 5% or less. We know that many Thai predictions are ridiculous, but this one could happen. May not, but better chance than most.

The Tesla S has a range of up to almost 900 kilometers. So it has more uses than just as a runabout. And of course, huge progress is being made on batteries. By 2025 solid state batteries will almost certainly be in use. They can store at least twice as much energy as the most advanced current lithium ion batteries. are not flammable, and can be charged quickly.

[MaxYakov]

They'll be converting street lights and other outside sources into ad hoc charging stations I suppose.

[kynikoi]

2 hours ago, petedk said:

 

You are wrong about that.

Yes, most people are broke but the rich ain't broke. Our neighbours have 2 electric cars, both on red plates. Porche Taycan, and a BMW iX. They like expensive toys. 

 

Well that's two of 78M

 

I actually think hybrid cars are far superior to straight up electric but this country isn't ready for either.

[billd766]

7 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Congratulations!  You were the first one to actually read the article and apply a bit of logic.

The rest of the posts were just the usual negative nonsense, most of them reacting to the clickbait headline only.

My post was not about the electric or hybrid cars, it was about the extra infrastructure required to upgrade the MEA and the PEA power networks. They are vital if Thailand ever goes for fully electric vehicles.

 

This evening in rural Kamphaeng Phet we had a power outage of about 30 minutes. This happened  on a nice warm summer evening.

 

So what do you think it will be like, when perhaps hundreds of thousands of EVs all get plugged in at the same hour in their home base?

[Maestro]

Removed an off-topic post (vaccination program)

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

My post was not about the electric or hybrid cars, it was about the extra infrastructure required to upgrade the MEA and the PEA power networks. They are vital if Thailand ever goes for fully electric vehicles.

 

This evening in rural Kamphaeng Phet we had a power outage of about 30 minutes. This happened  on a nice warm summer evening.

 

So what do you think it will be like, when perhaps hundreds of thousands of EVs all get plugged in at the same hour in their home base?

 

Ok, I never actually replied to any of your posts but never mind let's go with it.

 

Does Thailand have the world's best electricity grid?  No.  Could it be much better?  Yes.  I live in Bangkok and don't get blackouts except for very occasionally during a bad storm.  If you live out in the sticks it is different, that is not news.  A 30 minute outage in a rural village is nothing to write home about - how many people in rural Kamphaeng Phet are driving Teslas?  Not sure what your point is.

 

930,000 hybrid vehicles on the road by 2028 (as the article said) will make absolutely zero impact on the electricity supply.  A PHEV uses about as much power as a hair dryer when it is charging using your home supply.  Obviously more using a supercharger.  Normally people charge at night when energy usage is at its lowest.  So, sorry, I don't think your point is valid.  And not sure what your point is anyway - all I ever said in this thread was that the negativity is ridiculous and one million hybrid or electric vehicles on Thailand's roads by 2028 is entirely plausible, nothing more, nothing less.  

Edited June 19, 2021 by josephbloggs

[petedk]

13 hours ago, kynikoi said:

 

Well that's two of 78M

 

I actually think hybrid cars are far superior to straight up electric but this country isn't ready for either.

 

Actually, I was pointing out the fact that people are not broke.

I see the rich in Bangkok seem to be buying new cars all the time. Just have a look around Sukhumvit and Thong Lor and see how many red plated super cars there are.

I don't know how many are pure electric and how many are hybrid.

 

You are right about the country not being ready, but do the hiso care? They have a charger in their house and that provides enough power to get them to the clubs and department stores.

[Rampant Rabbit]

18 hours ago, rickudon said:

I actually think it is achievable. Note it did say 93% would be hybrids, so only 70,000 all electric. They may also not all be plugin hybrids. It would only require 100,000 electric vehicles to be manufactured a year, and it is likely a lot might be Chinese imports anyway. The realistic part is that no sane person will buy an all electric car in Thailand currently with it's <deleted> recharging infrastructure, unless you are going to use it only as a city runabout.

 

There are currently nearly 19 million registered vehicles in Thailand (so 1% electric), and this will presumably grow. So one million would only be 5% or less. We know that many Thai predictions are ridiculous, but this one could happen. May not, but better chance than most.

Thoes hybrids  will be damn expensive to fix  when they go wrong, 2 engines twice as many problems

[kynikoi]

2 hours ago, petedk said:

 

Actually, I was pointing out the fact that people are not broke.

I see the rich in Bangkok seem to be buying new cars all the time. Just have a look around Sukhumvit and Thong Lor and see how many red plated super cars there are.

I don't know how many are pure electric and how many are hybrid.

 

You are right about the country not being ready, but do the hiso care? They have a charger in their house and that provides enough power to get them to the clubs and department stores.

 

Well, I recall reading recently 89% are in dire straits. PM asked banks to lower interest rates on consumer debt. Millions out of work, businesses busted.

 

No they don't care. You are correct they are toys especially without infrastructure.

Edited June 20, 2021 by kynikoi

[tjo o tjim]

Strange to see all the disbelieving posts— I would expect the target is far too low, and that hybrids should not even be included in the discussion.  All of the issues people think will hinder adoption often improve adoption rates— for unreliable grids you have V2H / V2G to provide backup or improved reliability, and daily charging requirements can be quite flexible. Yes, high rise parking makes it harder— but still not impossible. 
 

PEA will have their work cut out for them, but there are plenty of easier solutions and opportunities with it. (More if you have good strategy for renewables, but not holding my breath there.)

[RafPinto]

Happy my condo finally installed a fast charging station.

[spidermike007]

That would be an astonishing thing, for a nation not known for progress. On another note, does anyone have any experience with the new Toyota Cross Corolla Hybrid? I am considering buying one, and wondering how solid they are, what kind of mileage they really get (they claim 20-24 KM. per liter, which would be astonishing for a decent sized SUV), etc. Any info would be appreciated. 

[RafPinto]

My neighbour just converted his Poshe Cajenne.

[RafPinto]

If the same people who are heading the vaccine scene here, I think it could be by the end of 2022 to see 500 Million electric cars in Thighland and every farm in Isaan producing electricity, next to the Marijohanna fields.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 6/18/2021 at 5:47 PM, pegman said:

Where will the electric power come from? 

Coal powered stations perhaps. Australia has loads of the stuff for sale.

[Saltire]

I would love to be able to buy a fully electric car, but at the moment it would need to be a Tesla to be able take me from home to Makro and back on a charge.

 

I can't afford a Tesla.

 

 

Edited June 20, 2021 by Saltire

[thaibeachlovers]

27 minutes ago, tjo o tjim said:

Strange to see all the disbelieving posts— I would expect the target is far too low, and that hybrids should not even be included in the discussion.  All of the issues people think will hinder adoption often improve adoption rates— for unreliable grids you have V2H / V2G to provide backup or improved reliability, and daily charging requirements can be quite flexible. Yes, high rise parking makes it harder— but still not impossible. 
 

PEA will have their work cut out for them, but there are plenty of easier solutions and opportunities with it. (More if you have good strategy for renewables, but not holding my breath there.)

Hydrogen is a far superior way to power vehicles, and when it comes into mass production ( as it will ) all those people that bought an electric lemon will be cursing, LOL.

IMO the biggest con job in history.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

 

Ok, I never actually replied to any of your posts but never mind let's go with it.

 

Does Thailand have the world's best electricity grid?  No.  Could it be much better?  Yes.  I live in Bangkok and don't get blackouts except for very occasionally during a bad storm.  If you live out in the sticks it is different, that is not news.  A 30 minute outage in a rural village is nothing to write home about - how many people in rural Kamphaeng Phet are driving Teslas?  Not sure what your point is.

 

930,000 hybrid vehicles on the road by 2028 (as the article said) will make absolutely zero impact on the electricity supply.  A PHEV uses about as much power as a hair dryer when it is charging using your home supply.  Obviously more using a supercharger.  Normally people charge at night when energy usage is at its lowest.  So, sorry, I don't think your point is valid.  And not sure what your point is anyway - all I ever said in this thread was that the negativity is ridiculous and one million hybrid or electric vehicles on Thailand's roads by 2028 is entirely plausible, nothing more, nothing less.  

One million electric vehicles means one million dead batteries at some time in the future. What chance Thailand disposes of them properly?

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14 minutes ago, Saltire said:

I would love to be able to buy a fully electric car, but at the moment it would need to be a Tesla to be able take me from home to Makro and back on a charge.

 

I can't afford a Tesla.

 

 

How many hundreds of kilometers are you away from the nearest Makro?

Edited June 20, 2021 by placeholder

[billd766]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How many hundreds of kilometers are you away from the nearest macro?

I am 65km one way from the nearest Makro at Kamphaeng Phet. The next one to the North is at Tak +/- 120 km or Nakhon Sawan 130km to the South.

[Saltire]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How many hundreds of kilometers are you away from the nearest Makro?

Makro and back - 340Km, same BigC and the Immigration Office.

 

 

[Rampant Rabbit]

2 hours ago, kynikoi said:

Well, I recall reading recently 89% are in dire straits.

Ive been  offering work for two  weeks  now seems  most Thais are lazy from the repsonses they give. Want money dont want work.

[Rampant Rabbit]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hydrogen is a far superior way to power vehicles, and when it comes into mass production ( as it will ) all those people that bought an electric lemon will be cursing, LOL.

IMO the biggest con job in history.

How are you  going to produce that hydrogen easily?

[Rampant Rabbit]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

That would be an astonishing thing, for a nation not known for progress. On another note, does anyone have any experience with the new Toyota Cross Corolla Hybrid? I am considering buying one, and wondering how solid they are, what kind of mileage they really get (they claim 20-24 KM. per liter, which would be astonishing for a decent sized SUV), etc. Any info would be appreciated. 

Dump it when the warranty expires or  youll  be  looking at whopping repair bills with twice as much to go wrong.

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hydrogen is a far superior way to power vehicles, and when it comes into mass production ( as it will ) all those people that bought an electric lemon will be cursing, LOL.

IMO the biggest con job in history.

Yes, when the money has been made bring in the new superior technology. Anybody want a DVD player

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1 hour ago, billd766 said:

I am 65km one way from the nearest Makro at Kamphaeng Phet. The next one to the North is at Tak +/- 120 km or Nakhon Sawan 130km to the South.

Then virtually any EV will get you there and back with plenty of capacity to spare.

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58 minutes ago, Saltire said:

Makro and back - 340Km, same BigC and the Immigration Office.

You must be living in Shangri-La.

[Andycoops]

Only if they build nation wide infrastructure which they won't unless the brown envelopes are big enough, of course.