Thailand reports another record high of 14,575 coronavirus cases and 114 deaths

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Graphic today from the MoPH shows that other provinces outside the Bangkok region (in green) are now accounting for about 55 percent of Thailand's new COVID cases and have greater case growth than Bangkok (in red) having 23 percent, and the five urban provinces adjoining Bangkok (in blue) accounting for 22 percent.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/371053381179659/?type=3

 

 

[dinsdale]

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

--Thailand moves up one notch to now rank 49th among 200+ world countries in terms of total COVID cases since the start of the pandemic.

 

--Shocking that Brazil, with more than 547,000 deaths and 1,444 just in the past day, might be headed toward eventually overtaking the U.S. for the most COVID deaths of any country in the world.

 

--Indonesia, meanwhile, which has a higher per capita rate of new COVID cases than Thailand, reported more than 49,000 new cases and 1,449 new deaths in the past day.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/371053514512979/?type=3

 

Sunday or Monday will be No. 47. 3 wks from now or sooner being that there is no discernable decrease in numbers Thailand will move into the top 40. As of yesterday new cases has Thailand at No. 12 so with the upward trend we're seeing Thailand should move into the rather less than prestigious top 10 of daily new infections.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

17 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

Jesus. Social distancing looks a tad iffy. Come get the jab and the COVID at the same time

Just glad I never had to face that kind of queue....

 

How the government can allow that kind of process to occur, is beyond me....

 

Yes, they need to vaccinate many people, but not arranged like THAT!

 

 

[ukrules]

16 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

It is kind of everywhere now.

It sure is - it's just not showing up on the tests yet, give it 10 - 14 days before it explodes in new and different areas.

[DrJack54]

6 minutes ago, ukrules said:

It sure is - it's just not showing up on the tests yet, give it 10 - 14 days before it explodes in new and different areas.

This weekend including Mon Tues Wed next week is the powder keg.

Schools shut. Let's go visit family throughout Thailand.

Talk about match to a Bonfire. 

[FarFlungFalang]

6 hours ago, The Cipher said:

 

Cognitive dissonance re: Covid data is intense around here. Anything showing a decline is dismissed as "the numbers are undercounted" where as anything showing an increase in pandemic severity is accepted as de-facto correct. One might call it a pandemic of confirmation bias.

 

Additionally, factionalization on AseanNow has obviously occurred as well, and entrenched positions on the Covid issue have subtly become internalized into the identities of several core posters here. Not really helpful in the search for truth and context.

 

 

Not really helpful in the search for truth, can you handle the truth?Factionalisation as you call it is an essential survival mechanism of life.Look around at how much of it there is.Bees do it ants do it lions do it horses do it monkeys do it we do it.Take the medical faction they have doctors nurses specialised nurse GP's virologist they have people creating vaccines lots and lots of factionalisation going and look at how they work and interact and cooperate with different factions even with factions outside of the medical factions the benefit from the spinners and weavers factions the food growing factions and these factions have a myriad of factions.Factionalisation is the basis on which the universe exists.So its not surprising to find it here in these forums and these threads and it's not even subtle as you suggest it is.

As for confirmation bias I looked the term up when I was first accused of having it thinking it might be some dirty thing I was afflicted with and read with some surprise that apparently most us if not all of us have it and I have come to the conclusion that despite it being used as a derogatory term I found that it to can be seen as a positive tool in ones search for the truth.Take these daily numbers for example, I can see truth in these daily numbers and have decided that it's the truth those that publish them want me and others who view them to see,but I choose to see a different truth in them.

Your search for the truth is not hindered by others as you seem to suggest,that responsibility is yours and yours alone.The truth lies in life, the universe and everything (what some would call God but that's another story) just like it says in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy!

So I see these daily numbers (the topic of this thread) as merely a version of the truth of which there are many as can be seen from what is written.Personally I can't handle the truth, it's way too big!

 

 

Edited July 23, 2021 by FarFlungFalang

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

This weekend including Mon Tues Wed next week is the powder keg.

Schools shut. Let's go visit family throughout Thailand.

Talk about match to a Bonfire. 

We'll see flatline numbers over the weekend due to less testing also. Then as you say. Next week....boom

[Meat Pie 47]

8 hours ago, robblok said:

Wonder what kind of services those are ???? 

Not funny at all, my friend is a hairdresser not allowed to work and no income not every body is a hooker????

[FarFlungFalang]

17 minutes ago, ukrules said:

It sure is - it's just not showing up on the tests yet, give it 10 - 14 days before it explodes in new and different areas.

Just a question.If it is "everywhere" to which you agreed how can it explode in new and different areas?

[AndyFoxy]

25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Just glad I never had to face that kind of queue....

 

How the government can allow that kind of process to occur, is beyond me....

 

Yes, they need to vaccinate many people, but not arranged like THAT!

 

 

Yeah. They might have to do some forward planning and that’s just too much to ask.

[edwinchester]

Two of my wife's Thai friends had appointments to receive their first AZ shots today. Got to the hospital and were told it was to be Sinovac instead. Said no thanks and went back home as did others in the queue.

[ukrules]

8 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Just a question.If it is "everywhere" to which you agreed how can it explode in new and different areas?

???? People carry it everywhere they go, they're moving around the country right now on a scale not seen since Songkran.

 

When they arrive at their destinations the COVID remains in their lungs until they breathe it out.

 

When they breathe it out in the presence of other people in their new destination others will definitely become infected.

 

At that point it starts to replicate but there will be no symptoms during the incubation period.

 

Around a week later it will start to emerge as the number of positive tests drastically increases (explode if you will) in areas which previously had it under control before their new visitors from the Bangkok area arrived.

 

They've been moving out of Bangkok all week and going all around the country.

 

So it is everywhere already but more of it is coming from Bangkok and when it comes from Bangkok those people are on holiday and ready to mingle - restaurants, etc are not closed in most of the country.

 

Just watch over the next couple of weeks.

Edited July 23, 2021 by ukrules

[anchadian]

Pressed Brainstem Killed Teacher after 2nd Jab

 

BANGKOK, July 23 (TNA) – A 39-year-old teacher in Prachuap Khiri Khan province died because of her pressed brainstem after receiving the second jab of a COVID-19 vaccine, according to the Department of Disease Control.

 

Dr Chawetsan Namwat, the department’s director for disease control and emergency health hazards, revealed a result from the autopsy of the female teacher who had received a shot of the AstraZeneca vaccine which followed the first shot of the Sinovac vaccine.

 

He said her brain swelled and blood in the brain fatally pressed the brainstem.

 

https://tna.mcot.net/english-news-745259

[anchadian]

Samut Sakhon governor spurns ministerial regulation for patient admission to triage facilities

Samut Sakhon governor Veerasak Vichitsangsri has decided to bypass ministerial red tape to speed up the admission of asymptomatic and mildly symptomatic COVID-19 patients to pre-admission centres, to prevent the spread of the contagion among family members.

 

“If regulations cause people to die, because there is no place for isolation, just bypass the regulations and say this is a must, because I am the one who gave the order. Let’s see which is more important – regulations or death,” wrote the governor in his Facebook post on Wednesday.

 

COVID-19 infections in this coastal province, known as Thailand’s largest seafood market and the hotbed of the second wave of the pandemic last December, are spreading rapidly, logging more than 900 new cases daily over the past several days.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/samut-sakhon-governor-spurns-ministerial-regulation-for-patient-admission-to-triage-facilities/

[Changbeer4me]

An interesting article from ABC (AUS) .

 

While vaccines are important there are good research going on around the World.

 

Stay Well 

 

We can get through this.

 

Changbeer4me

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-22/federal-government-urged-to-secure-covid-treatment-drugs/100312542?utm_source=abc_news_web&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_web

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Dogmatix said:

An Indian scientist working at Chulalongkorn University presented at the FCCT's discussion last night.  He said they were working on a system of detection of COVID in sewage which works vert well in places like HK and Australia.  If you find an infected sample, you can zoon in to the building or street and test everyone. Bangkok has limitations as most houses have cess pools rather than piped sewage but it can still be done and they have been doing it since last year.  They showed that the pandemic was constantly in Bangkok sewage last year when there were zero cases reported.  Then in December they saw cases rapidly rising, indicating that the second wave was about to start which it did. 

 

Apparently the university tried to interest the government in its research and findings but, unsurprisingly, there was zero interest from the dozy bureaucrats, except from the Phuket sandbox project which thought it might be able to help bring a few more billions into Thailand. 

 

He also has a model to estimate infection numbers based on what they are seeing in the sewage.  Their latest estimate for Greater Bangkok is that  6% of the population is currently infected.  Depending on what population number you use, that would be 500,000-600,000.  On that basis new infections nationwide must be far higher than 15,000 or so a day.  Must be at least 45,000 at the moment, if not 60,000.  The UK has over 50,000 but is testing 1.3m a day, whereas Thailand is probably testing not much more than 100,000 a day.

Yes saw that segment, its a very long video but in my opinion a must see when you have time. Some explosive stuff in there, I'm surprised it wasn't censored to be honest, accusations of criminal negligence abound. Much we knew already but confirmed in many of the experts opinions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsYMPfH8KQ

 

I've watched half going to view the remainder shortly.

Edited July 23, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[ThailandRyan]

Watching the news now, they had a segment on the Thammasat Hospital deciding to withhold intubation for severe aged Covid cases.  The doctor they were talking with was trying his best to explain that the “Withhold Intubation Rule” was for severe COVID-19 patients who are over 75 years old, and who are also suffering from AIDS or incurable cancer, or they are at the end of life or in the last stage of clinical frailty state (which increases the risk of an adverse outcome). It sounded like they would still use the intubation on those that were not in the state or condition he stated. 

 

It is sad to hear and see that the needed treatment to survive is being put in place due to many others younger being in need of the respirators currently in supply, as they are running thin on those.  I wonder if they have ordered more from Honeywell, but I also remember an article a few days ago where the Thai government sent some of the respirators, oxygen condensing units and oximeters to Indonesia.  Sad to see and actually hear this coming from a doctor on the news, but to just decide that someone's life is not important anymore at 75 with an underlying condition in todays world seems wrong in so many ways.

[FarFlungFalang]

37 minutes ago, ukrules said:

???? People carry it everywhere they go, they're moving around the country right now on a scale not seen since Songkran.

 

When they arrive at their destinations the COVID remains in their lungs until they breathe it out.

 

When they breathe it out in the presence of other people in their new destination others will definitely become infected.

 

At that point it starts to replicate but there will be no symptoms during the incubation period.

 

Around a week later it will start to emerge as the number of positive tests drastically increases (explode if you will) in areas which previously had it under control before their new visitors from the Bangkok area arrived.

 

They've been moving out of Bangkok all week and going all around the country.

 

So it is everywhere already but more of it is coming from Bangkok and when it comes from Bangkok those people are on holiday and ready to mingle - restaurants, etc are not closed in most of the country.

 

Just watch over the next couple of weeks.

I figured it out.You said it would "explode" in new areas and since it hadn't exploded everywhere yet then it's my bad and you've explained it well, sorry for jumping the gun and not engaging brain before putting mouth into gear as advised by my eldest brother.

[DrJack54]

53 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

We'll see flatline numbers over the weekend due to less testing also. Then as you say. Next week....boom

I just read in another thread where Big Joke has stepped up and assisting with mini vans to the south to assist with program of getting folk back to home provience for treatment. 

Not sure how that will pan out. With Bangkok health at breaking point it makes sense on one hand but has a flip side.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I just read in another thread where Big Joke has stepped up and assisting with mini vans to the south to assist with program of getting folk back to home provience for treatment. 

Not sure how that will pan out. With Bangkok health at breaking point it makes sense on one hand but has a flip side.

Yea, Big Joke doing what he can I suppose but like you how it turns out? Similar to the army arranging flights out 

 

Army launches free flights for mild Covid cases

The Army is offering free flights for Covid-19 patients with mild symptoms who wish to receive medical treatment in their home provinces

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003669

[DrJack54]

Another random report as to how things work in practice. 

So our friend (50yr Thai) feels ill does a self test. Positive. Bangkok.

Has private health cover so visits private hospital for a test (3000baht). 

Told result will be back in 2 days. 

Told to self isolate. He cannot do that as he lives with family. 

Has booked into hotel for couple of days.

Right or wrong didn't inform hotel. Easy to day he should. 

So thinking he will be back to private hospital and admitted in next couple of days. 

Keep safe.

Edited July 23, 2021 by DrJack54

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

23 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Watching the news now, they had a segment on the Thammasat Hospital deciding to withhold intubation for severe aged Covid cases. 

This is not a comment on what's going on at Thammasat with COVID right now, because I don't know all the details of the circumstances where that would apply, but more of a philosophical comment for things in better times.

 

Sometimes, I get the feeling, under normal non-COVID circumstances, it can be kind of hard to actually die in a Thai hospital. especially the private ones.  In the sense that, the doctors here seem to want to use technology and drugs etc to keep the body going regardless of the prognosis, and trying to get them to cease doing so can sometimes be a challenge requiring lots of official paperwork and documentation.

 

Last year, I had the unfortunate task of ultimately having to give doctors in the U.S. permission to cease life support for an elderly family member.... The doctors came to me and said the person's extremities were beginning to turn blue (lack of blood) due to some of the medicines they were using to keep the person alive, and the result was going to be the death of tissue in those extremities if the process was continued. With little prospect for recovery, at that point, I said enough was enough.

 

For all the miracles of modern medicine, there are some people, some conditions, some maladies that they just can't cure, no matter how long they work at it...  Sometimes, it becomes time to let the person go.

 

On the other hand, in the current circumstance, I guess I'd say that what you DON'T want to have happen is doctors having to deny or cease care to people who COULD otherwise recover and be saved... because they don't have the beds, staff, medical equipment etc to accomplish that.

 

Edited July 23, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[robblok]

 

 

1 hour ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Not funny at all, my friend is a hairdresser not allowed to work and no income not every body is a hooker????

And you thought i was talking about your friend ? Man just the post i replied too.

[ThailandRyan]

Workers at the One Bangkok question up waiting for a transport to take them home.  No social distancing and they are standing in the rain.  Insanity. Only two transports arriving every 10 minutes 20 load in each one at a time.  Yes I must be bored but then these are construction workers who up until a week ago were locked in camps and the sites closed. Wonder if they have been tested.

[Swimfan]

3 hours ago, James105 said:

In order to believe it is 1.5% based on that calculation you would also need to believe that Thailand is testing and finding every single person who has Covid and there are no undiagnosed cases in the country.

 

So either Thailand is doing an amazing job with testing or the mortality rate is lower than 1.5%.   

You also have to believe they are counting the deaths properly too. 
mall the people passing in their homes and on the street. Are they being counted?

[AndyFoxy]

7 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Workers at the One Bangkok question up waiting for a transport to take them home.  No social distancing and they are standing in the rain.  Insanity. Only two transports arriving every 10 minutes 20 load in each one at a time.  Yes I must be bored but then these are construction workers who up until a week ago were locked in camps and the sites closed. Wonder if they have been tested.

20 in a van . Let's get COVID boys.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Workers at the One Bangkok question up waiting for a transport to take them home.  No social distancing and they are standing in the rain.  Insanity. Only two transports arriving every 10 minutes 20 load in each one at a time.  Yes I must be bored but then these are construction workers who up until a week ago were locked in camps and the sites closed. Wonder if they have been tested.

 

My question is, why are they there working at all?

 

Weeks back, after some of the big work camp clusters exploded, the government basically issued order shutting down all the construction sites, and sealing the work camp sites, in BKK...

 

And then, in typical Thai fashion some days later, the government came back and said, well, we're going to amend those rules to allow people back to work where leaving the project as-is would create some safety issues, or problems for the construction, etc etc...

 

But I never heard that there was ever an "all clear" order given to allow those kinds of projects to resume construction willy nilly with masses of workers.....

 

[wensiensheng]

4 hours ago, anchadian said:

Vaccines used in ASEAN

#COVID19 #coronavirus #pandemic #ASEAN

 

https://twitter.com/NBTWORLDNews/status/1418467284603916289

 

The Singapore column is a little misleading. They do have sinovac because some people need to visit China. But it is not counted in their vaccination figures. In other words, any sinovac given is an “extra” to facilitate travel to China.

[wensiensheng]

57 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

This is not a comment on what's going on at Thammasat with COVID right now, because I don't know all the details of the circumstances where that would apply, but more of a philosophical comment for things in better times.

 

Sometimes, I get the feeling, under normal non-COVID circumstances, it can be kind of hard to actually die in a Thai hospital. especially the private ones.  In the sense that, the doctors here seem to want to use technology and drugs etc to keep the body going regardless of the prognosis, and trying to get them to cease doing so can sometimes be a challenge requiring lots of official paperwork and documentation.

 

Last year, I had the unfortunate task of ultimately having to give doctors in the U.S. permission to cease life support for an elderly family member.... The doctors came to me and said the person's extremities were beginning to turn blue (lack of blood) due to some of the medicines they were using to keep the person alive, and the result was going to be the death of tissue in those extremities if the process was continued. With little prospect for recovery, at that point, I said enough was enough.

 

For all the miracles of modern medicine, there are some people, some conditions, some maladies that they just can't cure, no matter how long they work at it...  Sometimes, it becomes time to let the person go.

 

On the other hand, in the current circumstance, I guess I'd say that what you DON'T want to have happen is doctors having to deny or cease care to people who COULD otherwise recover and be saved... because they don't have the beds, staff, medical equipment etc to accomplish that.

 

Thammasat is operating a triage system, plain and simple. People over 75 have less chance of surviving than a 65 year old, all things being equal, so they give treatment to the person with most chance of survival.

 

it’s barbaric and not at all similar to the situation you described of a long illness with gradual deterioration. This wave has been, what, 3 months?

[dinsdale]

p.s. just went to Lotus. Everything except supermarket closed and I mean everything. Big difference from Tues when I last went there.

p.s.s. I'm not quite 60 but took a gamble.

 

Edited July 23, 2021 by dinsdale