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[Jonathan Fairfield]

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BANGKOK(NNT) - Thailand’s Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) has revealed that about two-thirds of those who died recently after catching COVID-19 were not vaccinated against the disease.

 

CCSA assistant spokeswoman Dr Apisamai Srirangsan said on 20 August that, there were 4,656 COVID-19 fatalities nationwide between 25 July - 19 August. 63.8% of deaths had not been vaccinated.

 

She said 316, or 7% of those who died had received a dose of AstraZeneca vaccine more than two weeks before falling ill and 118, or 2.6% had their first AstraZeneca dose more than four weeks before their illness. That meant not enough antibodies were not stimulated within two weeks of inoculation. Among those who had received the second dose up to two weeks before falling ill, there were 26 fatalities, or 0.6% of the total.

 

Dr Apisamai added that a study of 125 people, by the Department of Medical Sciences and the Faculty of Medicine Siriraj Hospital, found that using a combination of different COVID-19 vaccines over 2-3 doses better stimulated antibodies against the Delta variant.

 

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[cyril sneer]

Seems to be some missing figures here, and other vaccine(s) deliberately excluded from the article 

[lightsidecat]

So 99.4 % of the deaths were attributed to people who were either 1) Not vaxed, 2) Not fully vaxed, or 3)  Fully vaxed with something  other than Astra Zeneca ?   A link to that study in your article would be very useful. 

[Danderman123]

This was posted yesterday.

 

the conclusion was that about a third of Covid deaths were among the vaccinated with just one shot. Since the singly vaccinated in Thailand are not close to one third of the population, the implication is that singly vaccinated people somehow have an elevated risk of dying from Covid.

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

the implication is that singly vaccinated people somehow have an elevated risk of dying from Covid.

Darn you, stay in hiding for 3 more weeks. 

[Scrotobike]

Same story from the incompetent policy of putting silly programs like the sandbox and other such like and mot prioritising the old and sick who are now dying. 

 

 

[bkk6060]

So 36% had some type of vaccine, that seems quite high.

Interesting I thought AZ protected against death after one dose?  Could this bring up questions about the Thailand produced AZ?  And, what about Sinovac I assume the other deaths were vaxed with it?

Lousy information and details for sure.

Edited August 22, 2021 by bkk6060

[Thailand]

That says a lof nothing based on not very much.

[Mickeymaus]

Very strange that they don't mention Sinovac with one word. From the information how it is presented I would assume that only with AstraZeneca you might get sick and perhaps die... 

[Caldera]

No mention of Sinovac, despite more doses injected than AstraZeneca thus far, but the article I read yesterday claimed "incomplete information" for about 20% of those who died from/with Covid-19. A strange compilation of stats if there ever was one!

[Peterw42]

People appear to think there is a conspiracy going on and sinovacc has been left out of the figures.

Most deaths are people over 60, and people over 60 got the AZ vaccine. Sinovac vaccinations doesnt come into it.

 

So by default sinovac wont be in the stats.

[Mickeymaus]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

People appear to think there is a conspiracy going on and sinovacc has been left out of the figures.

Most deaths are people over 60, and people over 60 got the AZ vaccine. Sinovac vaccinations doesnt come into it.

 

So by default sinovac wont be in the stats.

Where do you have this information from that people over 60 got the AZ vaccine? Beginning with September for instance many expats here in Pattaya will be vaccinated with SinoVac in the Central Mall. So please post a link that only AZ is used for people above 60.

[mtls2005]

22 minutes ago, Mickeymaus said:

Very strange that they don't mention Sinovac with one word.

 

Asst Prof Dr Opass Putcharoen, head of the Emerging Infectious Diseases Clinical Centre, warned yesterday of a "ticking time bomb" for those who had their second Sinovac vaccine dose some time ago, and recommended booster shots due to a drop in immunity levels.

 

On the plus side, 7.2 mm doses of AZ are said to be delivered "next month".

 

 

 

 

[Caldera]

22 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

People appear to think there is a conspiracy going on and sinovacc has been left out of the figures.

Most deaths are people over 60, and people over 60 got the AZ vaccine. Sinovac vaccinations doesnt come into it.

 

So by default sinovac wont be in the stats.

Not true on both counts.

 

People over the age of 60 often get Sinovac as their 1st and AstraZeneca as their 2nd jab.

 

While the mortality rate is indeed much higher for those 60+, there's a significant number of deaths in younger people. Also because there simply are more younger people, and their risk of infection is often higher. Health workers who initially got double vaccinated with Sinovac are one example.

 

So they should definitely have numbers that they could have included.

[TheAppletons]

The Clown Show continues.  Incredible.

 

If you want people to NOT die, provide vaccines.  Apparently not the priorty.

Edited August 22, 2021 by TheAppletons

[smedly]

my take from this is that the people that died when to a crowded mass spreader vaccination site got one dose of vaccine and also got infected and died 

 

It takes more than 2 weeks for any vaccine to start working so in effect these people were technically unvaccinated 

[Peterw42]

10 minutes ago, Mickeymaus said:

Where do you have this information from that people over 60 got the AZ vaccine? Beginning with September for instance many expats here in Pattaya will be vaccinated with SinoVac in the Central Mall. So please post a link that only AZ is used for people above 60.

Im over 60 and was included in the first wave of vaccines in early July, that was for over 60s and exclusively AZ vaccine. It was widely publicised at the time.

Even going forward, the default vaccine for anyone over 60 in Thailand is the AZ vaccine.

Enquire with anyone you know over 60, if they have been vaccinated its exclusively the AZ vaccine.

 

 

[Peterw42]

6 minutes ago, Caldera said:

Not true on both counts.

 

People over the age of 60 often get Sinovac as their 1st and AstraZeneca as their 2nd jab.

 

While the mortality rate is indeed much higher for those 60+, there's a significant number of deaths in younger people. Also because there simply are more younger people, and their risk of infection is often higher. Health workers who initially got double vaccinated with Sinovac are one example.

 

So they should definitely have numbers that they could have included.

Rubbish, nobody over 60 has been getting the sinovacc first shot. I was part of the initial over 60s vaccinations, it was AZ, and only AZ.

[smedly]

40 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

People appear to think there is a conspiracy going on and sinovacc has been left out of the figures.

Most deaths are people over 60, and people over 60 got the AZ vaccine. Sinovac vaccinations doesnt come into it.

 

So by default sinovac wont be in the stats.

there was an earlier drive to not give AZ to people under 60 - that is not the same thing - it means that people of all ages got sinovac 

 

The article is poorly written and is missing a lot of relevent data seemingly on purpose which is no surprise 

 

also you are referring to farangs only who are a very small porportion of those vaccinated in Thailand - maybe you can share how many over 60 Thais got sinovac 

Edited August 22, 2021 by smedly

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Im over 60 and was included in the first wave of vaccines in early July, that was for over 60s and exclusively AZ vaccine. It was widely publicised at the time.

Even going forward, the default vaccine for anyone over 60 in Thailand is the AZ vaccine.

Enquire with anyone you know over 60, if they have been vaccinated its exclusively the AZ vaccine.

 

 

Here an extract from a printed news media that correspond with what you posted. 
 

Vaccination in Thailand

2 vaccines are now available in Thailand (as of 31 March 2564) which are 1. Oxford-AstraZeneca which is a viral vector for people from 18 years and above. The injection is administered through the muscle of the upper arm. 2 doses are needed, each dose is 0.5 ml with 10-12 weeks interval. 2. CoronaVac or Sinovac is inactivated virus for people between 18-59 years old. 2 doses are needed, each dose is 0.5 ml with 2-4 weeks interval. Complete doses are highly recommended for the best efficacy and we do not recommend that you switch brands.

[Mickeymaus]

7 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Im over 60 and was included in the first wave of vaccines in early July, that was for over 60s and exclusively AZ vaccine. It was widely publicised at the time.

Even going forward, the default vaccine for anyone over 60 in Thailand is the AZ vaccine.

Enquire with anyone you know over 60, if they have been vaccinated its exclusively the AZ vaccine.

 

I don't know what you write here. Next week I will be vaccinated with SinoVac because AstraZeneca was not available anymore and I am over sixty and I am not the only one. Just look at the available vaccinations here. 

 

https://healthrisk.bangkokpattayahospital.com/rvf_covid/rvf_pre.php

[smedly]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Rubbish, nobody over 60 has been getting the sinovacc first shot. I was part of the initial over 60s vaccinations, it was AZ, and only AZ.

you are talking about foreigners/farangs who are in very small numbers of those vaccinated in Thailand - how many over 60 Thais got sinovac ?????

 

stop telling people they are talking rubbish - you are embarrassing yourself

[Guderian]

1 hour ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

She said 316, or 7% of those who died had received a dose of AstraZeneca vaccine more than two weeks before falling ill and 118, or 2.6% had their first AstraZeneca dose more than four weeks before their illness. That meant not enough antibodies were not stimulated within two weeks of inoculation.

Why on earth would they expect an effective level of antibodies to have been built up just 2 weeks after the first vaccination? This is a vaccine, not a genie in a lamp.

 

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/is-it-true/is-it-true-how-long-does-it-take-to-have-immunity-after-vaccination

 

Bloomberg says that, as of today, 28% of the Thai population has received at least one dose of something or other (roughly speaking, 50% AZ or Pfizer and 50% Chinese vaccines), while just 8% have received both doses. Since 72% of the population is currently unvaccinated, why would it be surprising that 63.8% of deaths were among the unvaccinated? In fact, it is surprising, given Sinovac's relatively poor effectiveness, that more of the deaths weren't among the fully-vaccinated, since many of them will be health workers constantly exposed to a high level of risk but only having had two doses of Sinovac to protect them, at least until the recent booster programme started.

[Gottfrid]

Another bogus report with absolutely no foundation in reality.

[DavisH]

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

People appear to think there is a conspiracy going on and sinovacc has been left out of the figures.

Most deaths are people over 60, and people over 60 got the AZ vaccine. Sinovac vaccinations doesnt come into it.

 

So by default sinovac wont be in the stats.

Many people below 60 are also getting AZ. This study does not state the ratio. 

Eithwr way, we know 1 shot does not give good protection, and good protection is only after at least 2 weeks after the second shot. But it is interesting that sinovac is not mentioned at all. Probably just bad reporting, that we have all become used to. 

[4MyEgo]

2 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

CCSA assistant spokeswoman Dr Apisamai Srirangsan said on 20 August that, there were 4,656 COVID-19 fatalities nationwide between 25 July - 19 August. 63.8% of deaths had not been vaccinated.

 

She said 316, or 7% of those who died had received a dose of AstraZeneca vaccine more than two weeks before falling ill and 118, or 2.6% had their first AstraZeneca dose more than four weeks before their illness. That meant not enough antibodies were not stimulated within two weeks of inoculation. Among those who had received the second dose up to two weeks before falling ill, there were 26 fatalities, or 0.6% of the total.

Half cocked information as usual, i.e. no ages of the deceased, no information if these people had underlying medical conditions or were obese, which brings me to the old saying, are we comparing apples with apples, obviously not IMO.

 

Where is my Pfizer or Moderna shot, this is not good.

[tomazbodner]

Like what many said, only Astra Zeneca being listed, it makes you think that some information is not for sharing, namely the Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccinated individuals are somewhere but we're made to guess where.

 

Is the reason why this wasn't mentioned the part where Government is hell bent on procuring Sinovac against evidence from other countries (namely Indonesia) that it no longer works?

 

I'm not thrashing Sinovac here. It was effective against previous strains of virus, alas not for long. And it has probably prevented many infections in the past... but that was before Alpha and Delta strains. Sticking to the same now, when it no longer has much effect, at costs of billions of baht is just unreasonable. Sinovac ship has sailed.

Edited August 22, 2021 by tomazbodner

[tomacht8]

The long AZ interval between the first and second dose is 10-12 weeks. If you then look at the proclaimed future delivery quantities and times, the vaccination and death drama in Thailand will drag on well into the year 2022. I would like to see an official chart from the Minister of Health, when, how many people with which type of vaccine are then fully vaccinated, taking into account the time it takes for the vaccines to achieve a protective effect. It is completely unclear to me on what date/month 20%, 30%, .... 70%, 80% of the population are appropriately protected by vaccinations. That is probably the least that can be asked of a health minister who is responsible for orders and organizing the distribution. The unclear and delayed supply planning by those responsible ultimately led to these many restrictions that have now brought the country to its knees economically. How long should the vaccination chaos and the associated low-level Economic

flight continue? What annoys me is this unclear and chaotic information policy.

[mahtin]

Got first AZ jab yesterday.

Jab 2 scheduled for October 22.

That's 8 weeks, not 10-12.

From Khon Kaen Bangkok Hospital at Central Plaza 5th floor.

[Caldera]

2 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

Rubbish, nobody over 60 has been getting the sinovacc first shot. I was part of the initial over 60s vaccinations, it was AZ, and only AZ.

You're mistaken. Just because you got AstraZeneca first, a while ago, doesn't mean that that's still policy. It isn't. A Thai friend's parents, both 60+, just got their first shot - Sinovac in both cases.