Protection from virus down to 50% after 6 months AZ and Pfizer

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, fredscats said:

Now ,for less agruments sake stop right there, like mad womans sh.it    Efficiency live/dead decreases effectively,quite fast too,especially live vaccine    YES /NO   Ill state yes   ,so there not 100% covered     "Ramping up what"?  explain yourself   show quotes    

 

Child at play  it was you"someone said"  lol  lol  forget what you printed?  lol 

I’ve tried but I can’t make head nor tail of any of that.

[fredscats]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve tried but I can’t make head nor tail of any of that.

Of course you cant..."not often right but wrong again" should be your title   The last episode you attempted to get those gnashers in of yours into ,took a decididly turn for the worse,you should give up debating anything ... period      you always turningly look up your own <deleted>

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, fredscats said:

Of course you cant..."not often right but wrong again" should be your title   The last episode you attempted to get those gnashers in of yours into ,took a decididly turn for the worse,you should give up debating anything ... period      you always turningly look up your own <deleted>

That’s not much of an improvement.

 

It reads a bit like an off topic personal attack, but again doesn’t make any discernible sense.

 

I suspect if you were more assured of your argument you’d stick to it.

 

[fredscats]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s not much of an improvement.

 

It reads a bit like an off topic personal attack, but again doesn’t make any discernible sense.

 

I suspect if you were more assured of your argument you’d stick to it.

 

For sure whatever argument you effectively attempt or have ever attenpted in the past is nothing short of is gobbeldygook,trash, duh, to the extreme

 

Not "my argument" lol,  FACTS  read up on them,now I know you are not English (not my fault) but obv your reading ability is measured

 

Utterly fed up with you now, on ignore  enjoy yourself                     "not often right,but wrong agin"  your motto

[Kanada]

1 hour ago, fredscats said:

Now ,for less agruments sake stop right there, like mad womans sh.it    Efficiency live/dead decreases effectively,quite fast too,especially live vaccine    YES /NO   Ill state yes   ,so there not 100% covered     "Ramping up what"?  explain yourself   show quotes    

 

Child at play  it was you"someone said"  lol  lol  forget what you printed?  lol 

Huh ???? 

[Chomper Higgot]

13 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

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Study shows antibodies drop by 50% every 40 days after 2 doses of Sinovac.

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/study-shows-antibodies-drop-by-50-every-40-days-after-2-doses-of-sinovac

 

 

 

 

 

From the linked article (If you get beyond the headline).

 

‘of 700,000 fully vaccinated healthcare workers, just 707 became infected’.

 

’Infections amongst non-vaccinated medical staff are 8 times higher’.

[Kanada]

42 minutes ago, fredscats said:

Of course you cant..."not often right but wrong again" should be your title   The last episode you attempted to get those gnashers in of yours into ,took a decididly turn for the worse,you should give up debating anything ... period      you always turningly look up your own <deleted>

Well Fred I can’t understand a thing you say or as you call it “debate” ????

It’s obvious English is not your first language and that’s certainly ok but it’s tiring for me attempt to read!

 

You and your cats have earned a trip to my Ignored Users column 

 

You can continue to write dozens of posts a day or an hour if you wish…but I won’t feel a need to try to read them!

 

I’d wish you a “good day” but…well  you know????

Maybe just Cheers

 

[MrJ2U]

9 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Now 39% Israel against Delta in Israel.  If it was a Chinese vaccine the 'Pfizer fanboys' would be calling it junk.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

You got Sinovac blindness.

 

Conspiracy theorist always pounding away at there's mothers computer.

Pathetic.

[MrJ2U]

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

From the linked article (If you get beyond the headline).

 

‘of 700,000 fully vaccinated healthcare workers, just 707 became infected’.

 

’Infections amongst non-vaccinated medical staff are 8 times higher’.

 

34 minutes ago, Kanada said:

Huh ???? 

Shes always confused

[mommysboy]

15 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

Imagine what it is with Sinovac and Astra Zeneca.

 

We already know that Sinovac has very low effectiveness.  Reports of its effeciency halving every 4 months.

 

Another mistep by the e 3 stooges running this sh** show.

 

To be fair, none of the vaccines were developed with the Delta variant in mind.

 

And the Pfizer vaccine is good. However, if 3 doses need to be administered then it becomes a costly option, and lets not forget that the logistics involved already count against it.

 

If it is not significantly better than the AZ type vaccine in terms of both safety and performance, then the latter becomes the preferred choice because of it's other marked advantages.

 

The Pfizer would be incredibly useful in the teeth of a pandemic, because it looks to be faster acting.  It could also be a fixer dose for the AZ, ie, the best of both worlds.

 

Another option for the Pfizer may be to delay second dosing (The Brits have been incredibly cute in getting the best out of medicines and vaccines, whereas Americans haven't at all.)

 

Plenty of other vaccines due to come out, including 3 from GSK. And Imperial College are already developing an saMRNA vaccine.  There's also a French Valneva vaccine that is also being developed in the UK, and Novavax too.

[mommysboy]

15 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

Imagine what it is with Sinovac and Astra Zeneca.

 

We already know that Sinovac has very low effectiveness.  Reports of its effeciency halving every 4 months.

 

Another mistep by the e 3 stooges running this sh** show.

 

To be fair, none of the vaccines were developed with the Delta variant in mind.

 

And the Pfizer vaccine is good. However, if 3 doses need to be administered then it becomes a costly option, and lets not forget that the logistics involved already count against it.

 

If it is not significantly better than the AZ type vaccine in terms of both safety and performance, then the latter becomes the preferred choice because of it's other marked advantages.

 

The Pfizer would be incredibly useful in the teeth of a pandemic, because it looks to be faster acting.  It could also be a fixer dose for the AZ, ie, the best of both worlds.

 

Another option for the Pfizer may be to delay second dosing (The Brits have been incredibly cute in getting the best out of medicines and vaccines, whereas Americans haven't at all.)

 

Plenty of other vaccines due to come out, including 3 from GSK. And Imperial College are already developing an saMRNA vaccine.  There's also a French Valneva vaccine that is also being developed in the UK, and Novavax too.

[fredscats]

13 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

To be fair, none of the vaccines were developed with the Delta variant in mind.

 

And the Pfizer vaccine is good. However, if 3 doses need to be administered then it becomes a costly option, and lets not forget that the logistics involved already count against it.

 

If it is not significantly better than the AZ type vaccine in terms of both safety and performance, then the latter becomes the preferred choice because of it's other marked advantages.

 

The Pfizer would be incredibly useful in the teeth of a pandemic, because it looks to be faster acting.  It could also be a fixer dose for the AZ, ie, the best of both worlds.

 

 

Being vaccinated now is a disadvantge, esp Chinese vaccine,  gives false confidence,drop your guard,after all they are all short termed vaccines 2,3 month  waste of time actually.  Need to live in a country that shots and boosters are readily admininstered and Thailand aint one

[MrJ2U]

36 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

To be fair, none of the vaccines were developed with the Delta variant in mind.

 

And the Pfizer vaccine is good. However, if 3 doses need to be administered then it becomes a costly option, and lets not forget that the logistics involved already count against it.

 

If it is not significantly better than the AZ type vaccine in terms of both safety and performance, then the latter becomes the preferred choice because of it's other marked advantages.

 

The Pfizer would be incredibly useful in the teeth of a pandemic, because it looks to be faster acting.  It could also be a fixer dose for the AZ, ie, the best of both worlds.

 

Another option for the Pfizer may be to delay second dosing (The Brits have been incredibly cute in getting the best out of medicines and vaccines, whereas Americans haven't at all.)

 

Plenty of other vaccines due to come out, including 3 from GSK. And Imperial College are already developing an saMRNA vaccine.  There's also a French Valneva vaccine that is also being developed in the UK, and Novavax too.

Sorry for being rude.

 

Stay safe.

 

Hopefully we all get vaccinated sooner rather than later.

[mommysboy]

19 minutes ago, fredscats said:

Being vaccinated now is a disadvantge, esp Chinese vaccine,  gives false confidence,drop your guard,after all they are all short termed vaccines 2,3 month  waste of time actually.  Need to live in a country that shots and boosters are readily admininstered and Thailand aint one

I think getting at least one vaccine (double jabbed) is prudent, because it gives you at least partial immunity in the future to what is a new virus, ie, it likely creates memory B cells, which might be deployed and lead to a faster immune response against future pandemics.  Yes, undoubtedly the best situation is to suffer and fully recover from a bout of covid19, but needless to say this could come with potentially deadly consequences as is clear.

[Chomper Higgot]

46 minutes ago, fredscats said:

Being vaccinated now is a disadvantge, esp Chinese vaccine,  gives false confidence,drop your guard,after all they are all short termed vaccines 2,3 month  waste of time actually.  Need to live in a country that shots and boosters are readily admininstered and Thailand aint one

Oh look, you’ve now presented misinformation as fact.

 

Nobody is forcing you to get vaccinated, so no need to bolster your decisions with misinformation.

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

I think getting at least one vaccine (double jabbed) is prudent, because it gives you at least partial immunity in the future to what is a new virus, ie, it likely creates memory B cells, which might be deployed and lead to a faster immune response against future pandemics.  Yes, undoubtedly the best situation is to suffer and fully recover from a bout of covid19, but needless to say this could come with potentially deadly consequences as is clear.

There are also clear indications of long term impacts from COVID infection,

[sometimewoodworker]

20 hours ago, fredscats said:

Coronavirus latest news: Booster plan 'urgently' needed as vaccine protection for elderly may fall below 50pc by winter

Whichever way you read it,even johnson falls to 61%    Plus the UK are 12 months ahead of other studies especially AZ,and boosters "urgently"  needed,even Sky news now reporting

Prevention from infection is what is being talked about

 

Prevention from being hospitalised and death is over 90%

 

The benefit of a booster compared to getting a covid19 infection post vaccination is extremely unclear. 
 

please read the medical literature not “news” outlets. 
 

This doesn’t mean that nobody should have a booster, just hat the majority will be badly served. The only definite winner in getting everyone a 3rd shot are the pharmaceutical companies, they can throw a few hundred million in promoting the incorrect of at least incomplete information, most are making billions in profits from the vaccine.

 

there are a few people whose immune system will not withstand an after vaccination infection, if you are one of them you will know the medical reason. 

Edited August 26, 2021 by sometimewoodworker

[ronjomtien]

21 hours ago, fredscats said:

Coronavirus latest news: Booster plan 'urgently' needed as vaccine protection for elderly may fall below 50pc by winter

Whichever way you read it,even johnson falls to 61%    Plus the UK are 12 months ahead of other studies especially AZ,and boosters "urgently"  needed,even Sky news now reporting

Get booster 6 months after #2.

[Tropposurfer]

Is anyone heartily sick of people trawling the internet for such URL's then posting them further clouding the truth and reality of what and why vaccines are created and effaceable in the first instance. Further clouding (because somehow some people seem to think that a vaccine must to be both perfect in every instance of uptake and last permanently, and seem to have some inane need to defy both scientific proofs and the very nature of life itself. Viruses being but one of the truths of nature.

Influenza vaccines have never, in the history of influenza vaccines anyway, never ever proved a perfect panacea or a 'magical total preventative or cure'.

Given that the Covid vaccines were created in record and rapid time - to dull and slow the mutation of the original Novel Covid strains have proved to have less that 100% efficiency is not earth shattering news. My God!

But it seems that many people are obsessed with talking about, and procreating ideas that they should. Wake up!

For all you ...... out there, stop and have a think about how in reality (not idiotic, unprocessed, mindless talking points and 'opinions' that most of you, and all those around you, would have died horrible crippled deaths decades ago if the generation before you had not developed, distributed, and taken vaccines for e.g. polio, diphtheria, whooping cough, and tetanus etc. 

Sorry if this offends but I up to here with this constant unformed, illogical, unscientific, fantasy based, childish thinking and posting across the web, tv etc.

[LongTimeLurker66]

Israel is almost fully vaxed but the death rate is rising.

 

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/covid-19-opposition-urges-emergency-knesset-session-on-hospital-crisis-677598

 

“Especially during this rise in COVID-19 morbidity"

 

The pandemic is said to be going on in Iceland, Gibraltar, and other palces that are almost fully vaxed.

 

Jabs are not the path back to the old normal. They are a path to more boosters, more lock downs, and a more restricted life. Who wants to live this way? This is not life.

 

 

[fredscats]

5 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker66 said:

Israel is almost fully vaxed but the death rate is rising.

 

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/covid-19-opposition-urges-emergency-knesset-session-on-hospital-crisis-677598

 

“Especially during this rise in COVID-19 morbidity"

 

The pandemic is said to be going on in Iceland, Gibraltar, and other palces that are almost fully vaxed.

 

Jabs are not the path back to the old normal. They are a path to more boosters, more lock downs, and a more restricted life. Who wants to live this way? This is not life.

 

 

Right there ,and the company behind AZ might be pulling out of vaccine production,  the shareholders state there is no profit,want to get shut of it all  

 

Shocked about Iceland,Gib too,and as for Israel it all seems a lost cause..........Commentators on this thread stated deaths are static...yes u know who you are...3 day plus/minus rates in Thailand forecast to be 400 a day and rising,guess the same or even worse UK as no restrictions,   but I think re applied sooner than later

[Kanada]

15 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Now 39% Israel against Delta in Israel.  If it was a Chinese vaccine the 'Pfizer fanboys' would be calling it junk.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

and now for “the rest of the story”

[Nojohndoe]

Why is there this persistent and seemingly deliberate confusion over terms of "efficacy " and "effectiveness" that gets wound into overstated points of view?

[fredscats]

7 minutes ago, Nojohndoe said:

Why is there this persistent and seemingly deliberate confusion over terms of "efficacy " and "effectiveness" that gets wound into overstated points of view?

"efficiency" "effectivness" both the same effectively,the time scale they stay effective seems to limit the "overstated" opinion though

[MrJ2U]

3 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Prevention from infection is what is being talked about

Yup.

 

Sino doesn't give you much unfortunately.

 

 

[metisdead]

A conspiracy troll post using a trolling image has been removed.

 

 

[MrJ2U]

20 hours ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

Like talking to a 13 year old, isn’t it? @placeholder

I'm 11 thank you. 

[MrJ2U]

On 8/25/2021 at 4:54 PM, FridgeMagnet1 said:

Incredibly misleading headline. Please read the article 

Oh, the Sinovac salesman. 

Edited August 26, 2021 by MrJ2U

[Chongalulu]

23 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

Everyone is going to die 

A very true statement,there have so far been NO exceptions to this rule !

[Kanada]

1 hour ago, Nojohndoe said:

Why is there this persistent and seemingly deliberate confusion over terms of "efficacy " and "effectiveness" that gets wound into overstated points of view?

Agreed but in reality it’s a small group fortunately….a half dozen members here who feel the need to speak as authorities on “anything” pertaining to Covid!

They present half truths, innuendo and partially/poorly read social media reviews that help them to keep other members upset and off balance!

There’s always been that tiny faction of conspiracy theorists that honestly believe themselves!