CCSA to consider limited easing of restaurant dine-in restrictions

[Jonathan Fairfield]

 

Thailand’s Ministry of Public Health will seek approval from the Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA), at its meeting this Friday, of guidelines for restaurants and other eateries in COVID-19 “dark red” provinces, should they are allowed to resume limited dine-in services.

 

Public Health Permanent Secretary Dr. Kiattibhoom Vongrachit said yesterday (Tuesday) that Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul has instructed the Disease Control and Health departments to work out good practice guidelines for restaurants, after he received a petition from representatives of eight business associations, including the Restaurants Association, asking that restaurants be allowed to resume dine-in services, now that the COVID-19 pandemic is showing signs of improvement.

 

He said that the guidelines, including the limit of 50% seating capacity, will be submitted to the CCSA by Mr. Anutin this Friday (August 27th), adding that representatives of restaurants and other eateries have pledged full cooperation in complying with the safety measures to be drawn up by the Public Health Ministry.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/ccsa-to-consider-limited-easing-of-restaurant-dine-in-restrictions/

 

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[RotBenz8888]

What does the latest scientific studies regarding plastic screens conclude? 

[calbts2]

The bottom of that article states "Customers will have to show a certificate to prove they are vaccinated. For those who have been infected and have recovered, they will have to have recovered for at least a month, but not more than 3 months, and must show a negative antigen test result."

 

So if only 8% of the country is fully vaccinated, do all of the restaurants exclude 92% of the population as potential customers?

I wont receive my second shot until the end of October. Does this mean I am forbidden from eating at restaurants for 2 more months?

Also these vaccine passport requirements are illogical as fully vaccinated can also transmit the virus.

Unworkable, unfair, and discriminatory. Oh and what about kids not eligible to get vaccinated - are they going to be required to take antigen tests before eating in a restaurant?

Hope this goes down in flames within a week when restaurants enforcing this realize they have no customers while others that ignore it will again be making money.

 

Edited August 25, 2021 by calbts2

[smedly]

33 minutes ago, calbts2 said:

I wont receive my second shot until the end of October.

why ?

 

 

also these measures are almost in line with my proposal a few days ago

[brucec64]

56 minutes ago, calbts2 said:

The bottom of that article states "Customers will have to show a certificate to prove they are vaccinated. For those who have been infected and have recovered, they will have to have recovered for at least a month, but not more than 3 months, and must show a negative antigen test result."

 

So if only 8% of the country is fully vaccinated, do all of the restaurants exclude 92% of the population as potential customers?

I wont receive my second shot until the end of October. Does this mean I am forbidden from eating at restaurants for 2 more months?

Also these vaccine passport requirements are illogical as fully vaccinated can also transmit the virus.

Unworkable, unfair, and discriminatory. Oh and what about kids not eligible to get vaccinated - are they going to be required to take antigen tests before eating in a restaurant?

Hope this goes down in flames within a week when restaurants enforcing this realize they have no customers while others that ignore it will again be making money.

 

Vaccine passports make a lot of sense. Symptoms, hospitalizations and covid deaths of vaccinated people is a fraction of that for unvaccinated. So, a roomful of vaccinated people giving each other covid with relatively no ill effect does not put a strain on the health care system. This is called "learning to live with it". 

 

Most countries are moving forward with this plan, but you are right, Thailand does not have the vax numbers yet to implement this. Maybe in 3-6 months...

[calbts2]

58 minutes ago, brucec64 said:

Vaccine passports make a lot of sense. Symptoms, hospitalizations and covid deaths of vaccinated people is a fraction of that for unvaccinated. So, a roomful of vaccinated people giving each other covid with relatively no ill effect does not put a strain on the health care system. This is called "learning to live with it". 

 

Most countries are moving forward with this plan, but you are right, Thailand does not have the vax numbers yet to implement this. Maybe in 3-6 months...

Yeah they make a lot of sense if you are for medical apartheid and discrimination just to enter, sit, and eat in a public restaurant. And you are wrong, most countries are not moving ahead with this type of plan and many are revolting.

Spain just ruled against these vaccine passports - and rightly so - https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/international/2021/08/19/88381/supreme-court-rules-against-covid-passport-obligation-andalusia.html

 

"Learning to live with it" in my opinion means accepting that life comes with risks while enjoying the freedom to live your life as you choose.  As an unvaccinated person, I will take the very small risk of being able to eat in a restaurant and possibly getting a virus. In fact I did it quite often without any issues during the last year before restaurants were shut down. Did we ever require vaccine passports for the flu, measles, or tuberculosis?

Actually my biggest fear of getting killed or injured in Thailand is driving the highways at night. That to me is much more risky than sitting in a restaurant - getting sick and then dying from a virus.

These measures are knee-jerk over reactions to control behavior and I find them flat out draconian, overreaching, and will be mostly ignored as they will be too complicated to enforce.

Edited August 25, 2021 by calbts2

[brucec64]

3 minutes ago, calbts2 said:

Yeah they make a lot of sense if you are for medical apartheid and discrimination just to enter, sit, and eat in a public restaurant. And you are wrong, most countries are not moving ahead with this type of plan and many are revolting.

Spain just ruled against these vaccine passports - and rightly so - https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/international/2021/08/19/88381/supreme-court-rules-against-covid-passport-obligation-andalusia.html

 

"Learning to live with it" in my opinion means accepting that life comes with risks while enjoying the freedom to live your life as you choose.  As an unvaccinated person, I will take the very small risk of be able to eat in a restaurant and possibly getting a virus. In fact I did it quite often without any issues during the last year before restaurants were shut down. Did we ever require vaccine passports for the flu, measles, or tuberculosis?

Actually my biggest fear of getting killed or injured in Thailand is driving the highways at night. That to me is much more risky than sitting in a restaurant - getting sick and then dying from a virus.

These measures are knee-jerk over reactions to control behavior and I find them flat out draconian, overreaching, and will be mostly ignored as the will be too complicated to enforce.

More countries than not implementing vaccine passports, which, BTW, are nothing new. I still have my yellow book that was required to enter some SEA countries 30 years ago. Learning to live with something is not the same thing as just ignoring a problem.

 

The world needs to move on, so you and your unvaccinated selfishness can enjoy eating "al fresco".

[brewsterbudgen]

All sounds good if you just read the post. But if you read the linked article there's a sting in the tail.  Absolutely crazy and unworkable.  

[brewsterbudgen]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

why ?

 

 

also these measures are almost in line with my proposal a few days ago

Like me, I would think he received his 1st AZ vaccine at the end of July, so the 2nd dose is 2.5 months later.

[Kadilo]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

why ?

 

 

also these measures are almost in line with my proposal a few days ago

They obviously listened to your proposal, you being an expert and all that ????

[calbts2]

10 minutes ago, brucec64 said:

More countries than not implementing vaccine passports, which, BTW, are nothing new. I still have my yellow book that was required to enter some SEA countries 30 years ago. Learning to live with something is not the same thing as just ignoring a problem.

 

The world needs to move on, so you and your unvaccinated selfishness can enjoy eating "al fresco".

I am not referring to vaccine passports for travel - that I don't have an issue with because international travel and entering a country is a much different activity than eating at a nearby restaurant.

What I am against is showing anything (my ID, a vaccine passport, etc) to do things in everyday living such as eating in a cafe or shopping in a store.

Integrity legal had an excellent video on this subject recently -

 

 

If you are for this then basically you are paranoid and have a totalitarian mindset to control everything in your environment all of the time.

Also I am not an anti-vaxxer - if someone does not want to get vaccinated - that is their choice and their responsibility.

Who the hell am I to control them.

And there are many problems in the world and I can't control them all like you seem to want to.

Edited August 25, 2021 by calbts2

[brewsterbudgen]

Has any country introduced a policy of vaccination passports for dining at restaurants?  I know there have been huge protests in France against the idea, but I don't if it's actually been introduced.  Unbelievable if it has.   

 

The good news is, I just can't see it working here, with the vast majority of the population not fully vaccinated and unlikely to be so for many months, if ever.

Edited August 25, 2021 by brewsterbudgen

[brucec64]

35 minutes ago, calbts2 said:

Yeah they make a lot of sense if you are for medical apartheid and discrimination just to enter, sit, and eat in a public restaurant. And you are wrong, most countries are not moving ahead with this type of plan and many are revolting.

Spain just ruled against these vaccine passports - and rightly so - https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/international/2021/08/19/88381/supreme-court-rules-against-covid-passport-obligation-andalusia.html

 

"Learning to live with it" in my opinion means accepting that life comes with risks while enjoying the freedom to live your life as you choose.  As an unvaccinated person, I will take the very small risk of being able to eat in a restaurant and possibly getting a virus. In fact I did it quite often without any issues during the last year before restaurants were shut down. Did we ever require vaccine passports for the flu, measles, or tuberculosis?

Actually my biggest fear of getting killed or injured in Thailand is driving the highways at night. That to me is much more risky than sitting in a restaurant - getting sick and then dying from a virus.

These measures are knee-jerk over reactions to control behavior and I find them flat out draconian, overreaching, and will be mostly ignored as they will be too complicated to enforce.

Good luck with that. I think you will find the world is a much smaller place for you for the foreseeable future.

[calbts2]

6 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Has any country introduced a policy of vaccination passports for dining at restaurants?  I know there have been huge protests in France against the idea, but I don't if it's actually been introduced.  Unbelievable if it has.   

 

The good news is, I just can't see it working here, with the vast majority of the population not fully vaccinated and unlikely to be so for many months, if ever.

Right now in San Francisco and New York City. Already many restaurants are suing the government in New York against it.

[The Cipher]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Has any country introduced a policy of vaccination passports for dining at restaurants?

Yes. Canada is doing this. There's a fairly long list of places where you need to show proof of vaccination to enter (including restaurants).

[BKKTRAVELER]

4 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

will be submitted to the CCSA by Mr. Anutin this Friday

I started laughing there, the clown entertaining the audience. What a great time we live in...

[hotchilli]

13 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Thailand’s Ministry of Public Health will seek approval from the Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA), at its meeting this Friday, of guidelines for restaurants and other eateries in COVID-19 “dark red” provinces, should they are allowed to resume limited dine-in services.

Yes go ahead and do it, but Nail the ones who don't conform to reg's.

[hotchilli]

9 hours ago, The Cipher said:

Yes. Canada is doing this. There's a fairly long list of places where you need to show proof of vaccination to enter (including restaurants).

Maybe 2023 in Thailand.

[brewsterbudgen]

9 hours ago, The Cipher said:

Yes. Canada is doing this. There's a fairly long list of places where you need to show proof of vaccination to enter (including restaurants).

What percentage are vaccinated? Is it for the whole country, or just 'hot' provinces? Presumably kids are excluded? Hopefully Thailand doesn't follow suit, at least until the majority of the population is vaccinated (which will take a long time, if it ever happens). 

[thailand49]

The article is badly written, in another report it was only a suggestion the impression I got even a Thai leaders was laughing and rolling all over the floor. Not going to happen! 

[BKKBike09]

11 hours ago, brucec64 said:

More countries than not implementing vaccine passports, which, BTW, are nothing new. I still have my yellow book that was required to enter some SEA countries 30 years ago. Learning to live with something is not the same thing as just ignoring a problem.

 

The world needs to move on, so you and your unvaccinated selfishness can enjoy eating "al fresco".

Your Yellow Book (International Certificate of Vaccination) was/is for proof of vaccination against serious diseases that - if you catch one of them - has a good chance of killing you, or anyone to whom you may subsequently give it. That is simply not true of Covid for the great majority of people.

 

Vaccine status proof for Covid sounded great when the science indicated that vaccination = prevention against transmission to others. But that is now proven not to be the case. Fully vaccinated people are now believed to be quite capable of infecting others. More to the point, as the efficacy of the vaccines wears off, older people in particular are much more likely to get seriously ill / die (although again the overall statistical risk is still low). 

 

The world does indeed need to move on, and that means people accepting risk. 

 

 

 

 

[MrJ2U]

I live near Seka in Issan.

 

Its rather lively little city.  

 

Despite the lockdowns the place is busier than before COVID-19.

 

Lots of new buildings and restaurants.

 

  Most likely built from the people coming home from the closed tourist areas.

 

Its sure made living up here more interesting.

 

Lots of beautiful girls also with the bar scene decimated. 

[redwood1]

13 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

What does the latest scientific studies regarding plastic screens conclude? 

The latest scientific study says these plastic screens are STUPID..

[HappyExpat57]

13 hours ago, calbts2 said:

Also these vaccine passport requirements are illogical as fully vaccinated can also transmit the virus.

The thought behind this is if everyone is vaccinated, then even if people dining there have Covid, passing it on to the others won't inflict deadly harm.

[redwood1]

2 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

The thought behind this is if everyone is vaccinated, then even if people dining there have Covid, passing it on to the others won't inflict deadly harm.

Think........The vaccinated are 100% protected from from deadly harm from covid even if they catch it.....And the un-vaxxed are 100% ok with receiving deadly harm from covid.........So why the need for vax passports to eat in a restaurant if everyone is ok with everyone else already.....  

[The Cipher]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

What percentage are vaccinated?

Very high percentage. And vaccines are readily available. Kids are excluded. I wasn't suggesting that Thailand do this, just responding to your question about whether other places had done so.

 

 

[redwood1]

10 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

Yes, vaccination passport in France for sports halls, shows, domestic flights, buses, trains, health personnel, most administrations, restaurants and bars.

Some major companies have also incorporated the obligation into their internal regulations.
Much the same in Italy.

Lots of rowdy protests in these 2 countries but a large majority is in favor.

There will always be people in favor of more and more restrictions....If vaxes were required every 3-6 months forever, loads of people would be in favor of it....

Edited August 26, 2021 by redwood1

[JonnyF]

30 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

The thought behind this is if everyone is vaccinated, then even if people dining there have Covid, passing it on to the others won't inflict deadly harm.

The only people at significant risk will be the unvaccinated. It is their choice to go to the restaurant unvaccinated so if they contract Covid while there, to put it bluntly that is their problem. Their life, their choice. 

 

I am not anti vax and am eagerly awaiting my second shot, hopefully next month. But if people don't wish to be vaccinated that is up to them and they will have to live (or not as the case may be) with the consequences of that decision.

 

Let individuals decide. I certainly don't want to live in a 'papers please' society with medical apartheid because certain people wish to decide what other people have to put into their bodies.

[redwood1]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The only people at significant risk will be the unvaccinated. It is their choice to go to the restaurant unvaccinated so if they contract Covid while there, to put it bluntly that is their problem. Their life, their choice. 

 

I am not anti vax and am eagerly awaiting my second shot, hopefully next month. But if people don't wish to be vaccinated that is up to them and they will have to live (or not as the case may be) with the consequences of that decision.

 

Let individuals decide. I certainly don't want to live in a 'papers please' society with medical apartheid because certain people wish to decide what other people have to put into their bodies.

Agree 100%.....

[mikebell]

My son's restaurant in BKK is living on borrowed time and due to close in a couple of months.  He has invested 15 years of his life & a not inconsiderable amount of money into it.  He follows every protocol and ALL his staff have ben double jabbed.  He is on the verge of returning to England to sell his house in an attempt to stay afloat.