Jonathan Fairfield Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Uproar over the recent killing of a drug suspect by police investigators has revived debate on the need for a law banning torture and killings by state officials. And the long-awaited move is now a step closer to reality after the House of Representatives on Thursday (September 16) voted 368:0 to approve in principle draft legislation outlawing torture and enforced disappearances for the first time in Thailand. The bill, proposed by the Cabinet, has been tabled for House deliberation along with three rival drafts proposed separately by the House committee on laws, justice and human rights as well as the opposition Prachachart Party and coalition partner Democrat Party. The House panel’s draft was drawn up by a civil society group. Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/will-new-law-end-thailands-dark-era-of-torture-and-disappearances/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2021-09-19 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow ASEAN NOW on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeijoshinCool Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 . No, I still am required to go through ASQ next month.... Pray for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tarteso Posted September 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) One thing is the law, and another .. how some interpret the law. Edited September 19, 2021 by Tarteso 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post poskat Posted September 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2021 This new law will have the same effect as the laws against government corruption 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 26 minutes ago, HeijoshinCool said: . No, I still am required to go through ASQ next month.... Pray for me. Why, would suggest most have better things to do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Caldera Posted September 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2021 I'm sure there's a law against drunk driving, too. Yet, due to lack of enforcement... I see the same happening here. Who will police the police? Or the army, for that matter? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 If the law is passed it should be retrospective - all previous convictions/confessions suspected of being obtained through torture should be reversed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RotBenz8888 Posted September 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2021 45 minutes ago, Jonathan Fairfield said: a law banning torture and killings 2021 and this is like new? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scorecard Posted September 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Tarteso said: One thing is the law, and another .. how some interpret the law. Why are these extra 'laws' needed? Surely: 1. Torture means aggravated violence for which Thailand already has laws with severe punishments for very violent cases. 2. Killings by state officials is murder for which Thailand already has laws with severe punishments for certain circumstances. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sammieuk1 Posted September 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2021 What law will the new law be lawful when any law can be broken with cash ???? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BKKTRAVELER Posted September 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2021 My gut feeling says no... Some groups are unfortunately above the law. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, scorecard said: Why are these extra 'laws' needed? Surely: 1. Torture means aggravated violence for which Thailand already has laws with severe punishments for very violent cases. 2. Killings by state officials is murder for which Thailand already has laws with severe punishments for certain circumstances. civic duty is added to the list Edited September 19, 2021 by wombat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 6 hours ago, HeijoshinCool said: . No, I still am required to go through ASQ next month.... Pray for me. Amen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Tarteso said: One thing is the law, and another .. how some interpret the law. And the few who believe they are above the law. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humqdpf Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Will any of these draft laws cover the kidnapping of activists in other jurisdictions? Or the activities of the "men in black?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Caldera said: I'm sure there's a law against drunk driving, too. Yet, due to lack of enforcement... I see the same happening here. Who will police the police? Or the army, for that matter? Especially when these groups are the primary instigators of such activities. Less we forget about the secret law enforcement/para-military thugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 From the Joe Ferrari case you hear nothing lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Henry Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 All a matter of interpretation. The all powerful government will always do what they want and how they want! and when they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Tracy Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Yet another law to be ignored... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, BKKTRAVELER said: My gut feeling says no... Some groups are unfortunately above the law. Or (IMHO) some citizens / groups of citizens have for a long time believed (and still believe) they are above the law and are a body which is entitled to be the ruling class with ultimate power to decide destiny and decide actions without abiding by laws and without equality and without transparent justice. Edited September 19, 2021 by scorecard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalawaan Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) No. And don't hold your breath about any progress on the disappeared diaspora. That's rumored to have been arranged on approval. It's political theatre to get international brownie points. Besides, one Gina Haspel ran a CIA rendering base right here in Kalaland. Nothing more to add. Edited September 19, 2021 by chalawaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydebolle Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 a law banning torture and killings by state officials As if the sweetheart from Nakorn Sawan would care - do you think, he got he tremendous wealth and a car park by advising school kids on how to cross the road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKTRAVELER Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 10 hours ago, scorecard said: Or (IMHO) some citizens / groups of citizens have for a long time believed (and still believe) they are above the law and are a body which is entitled to be the ruling class with ultimate power to decide destiny and decide actions without abiding by laws and without equality and without transparent justice. Yep! But since they keep getting away with it for so long, it's not a belief anymore, but an unfortunate fact... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Spinning rhetorical wheels is what they excel in. Almost marketed as a way of life by the ruling classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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