Popular Hua Hin restaurant shut after 12 fully vaccinated staff test positive for Covid-19

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Hua Hin seafood restaurant Baan Itsara on Naeb Kehad Road has been obliged to temporarily shut after 12 staff members tested positive for Covid-19, reported Spring News.

 

A letter to customers dated Monday on the restaurant's Facebook page said that the infections were discovered on September 19th.

 

All the staff had received 2 doses of Sinopharm vaccine the second being August 24th. 

 

They were cleaning the premises and following health department protocols as the staff went into quarantine.

 

Customers who went to the restaurant after 15th September were advised to check and monitor their health for symptoms. 

 

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[2long]

I'm finding it hard to see the point of these vaccines, or forcing people to have them, if things like this happen.

Yes, I know the usual brigade will jump on me to say things like 'they keep people out of hospital' 'it's for the good of others etc' but in places like sports stadia, nightclubs, large companies etc where everyone must show they're vaccinated it doesn't seem to make much difference. In fact, it could be worse!

Ask any motorcyclist how he/she rides without a helmet (slower) or with full leathers (faster). The same analogy could be used with a condom and casual sex.

What I'm trying to say is that if we have this false sense of security of vaccines could spread covid more than common sense and personal choice.

[nausea]

No surprise here, we all know Sinopharm alleviates the effects but does little to prevent transmission. 

[bkk_bwana]

2 minutes ago, nausea said:

No surprise here, we all know Sinopharm alleviates the effects but does little to prevent transmission. 

No vaccines prevent transmission. When was that ever a claim?

[bkk_bwana]

Meanwhile, let's open up HH for tourists on October 1st!!!!

[wasabi]

The vaccine DOES NOT prevent Covid in 100% of people who are jabbed. What it does is greatly reduce the likelihood you will get deathly ill. People freaking out when vaccinated people catch mild Covid and locking down again and again negates the whole point of getting the vaccine. They will never open again if they want Zero. Covid.

[Swiss1960]

Sinopharm!!!

[RJRS1301]

7 minutes ago, nausea said:

No surprise here, we all know Sinopharm alleviates the effects but does little to prevent transmission. 

Not only Sinopharm, but it has the lowest efficacy. It is about attempting to ameliorate the need for hospital admissions and ventilation.

One also becomes less infectious (less viral [particles) if vaccinated, although may still transmit the virus 

The current vaccines were developed prior to the Delta variant, therefore less effective,  became the predominant strain

[ezzra]

12 staff out of how many should be asked as this way to high number for fully vaxed people to be infected in the place, in anyway, had i dined there, i would be worried sick now...

[ThailandRyan]

The other question to ask was how long ago were they vaccinated, and could they have been infected when they queued up to be vaccinated.  Were they tested prior to being vaccinated?, and were they found positive via a PCR test or an ATK test kit which needs verification to be included as a case in the official count.  Starting to wonder about self sabotage going on as well.

[smedly]

To start with - no vaccine stops a virus entering the body so technically everyone that comes in contact with this virus is extremely likely to have it enter the body - become infected, hundreds of viruses infect our bodies every week but they generally do not cause disease

 

So lets be clear about what we are talking about 

 

- The virus is SARS Coronavirus 2 that enters the body (infects the body)

 

- No vaccine can stop the virus entering the body, that is not what they are designed to do.

 

- "Covid 19" is the disease that SARS Coronavirus 2 causes if it is not stopped by the bodies Immune System - generally it isn't which is why this virus is so dangerous

 

- Vaccines give the body the specific tools to stop people getting Covid 19 (the disease) so the virus is prevented from causing the disease

 

- If you don't get the disease then the virus been effectively stopped.

 

- If the virus is stopped or prevented from causing covid 19 then the vaccine has done its job, what that means is you did not develope covid 19, the virus has been defeated in your body and was unable to take hold and replicate in large numbers which also means you are highly unlikely to infect other people or get sick, the virus was effectively erradicated before it took hold.

 

So.....

 

- SARS Coronavirus 2 is the virus (SARS-CoV-2)

- Covid 19 is the disease the virus causes

- Vaccines help prevent (efficacy)  you getting the disease 

 

 

watch this video and educate yourselves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-nPZETLTo

[smedly]

how did all these people develope CV 19 is unknown - perhaps they didn't, it depends on the sensitivity of the test and what the threshold is, it is viral load that determines this, also consideration needs to given to the vaccine used and when it was administered, many health experts around the world have now concluded  that everyone will eventually be exposed to this virus - whether or not you get severely ill and possibly die depends on many factors the most important being - getting vaccinated with an "effective" vaccine

[JonnyF]

Well they were vaccinated over a month ago. That's a long time for a Chinese vaccine. Probably needed a booster.

[steven100]

20 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Well they were vaccinated over a month ago. That's a long time for a Chinese vaccine. Probably needed a booster.

or a free night out at the Hu Flung Dung restaurant.

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, 2long said:

I'm finding it hard to see the point of these vaccines, or forcing people to have them, if things like this happen.

Yes, I know the usual brigade will jump on me to say things like 'they keep people out of hospital' 'it's for the good of others etc' but in places like sports stadia, nightclubs, large companies etc where everyone must show they're vaccinated it doesn't seem to make much difference. In fact, it could be worse!

Ask any motorcyclist how he/she rides without a helmet (slower) or with full leathers (faster). The same analogy could be used with a condom and casual sex.

What I'm trying to say is that if we have this false sense of security of vaccines could spread covid more than common sense and personal choice.

You are quite correct in much of what you say but you are missing the bigger picture.

 

At this stage, with so many people unvaccinated through no fault of their own, people in the service/hospitality business have a duty of care to not spread the virus any more than they can, hence when someone tests positive they can't be around others. Unfortunately Thailand is way off the magic 70-80% herd immunity figure so I see this still happening for the foreseeable however, at a stage in the near future when the majority have been vaccinated and the only ones left are those that refuse to take the vaccine, I see this dynamic changing.

 

If individuals want to take the risk of not being vaccinated, then that's their look out and the world will start up around them and it will be their individual responsibility if they become infected. I also see they will get little sympathy from the masses (you are beginning to see this in many western countries already) who are sick (excuse the pun) of waiting around for these misguided folks to get educated.

 

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, nausea said:

No surprise here, we all know Sinopharm alleviates the effects but does little to prevent transmission. 

As pointed out by Smedley, no vaccine prevents trasmission. Please educate yourself before posting. 

[phetphet]

Twelve people in the same establishment, all fully vaccinated, all infected with COVID.

 

I wonder how this was discovered. Were they all asymptomatic and it was discovered by by random check? Or maybe through infecting someone and tracked and traced?  Was a member of these staff feeling sick or showing symptoms?

 

If all asymptomatic, then the vaccinations must have been doing their job.

Edited September 23, 2021 by phetphet

[cclub75]

Oh what a shame. And what a total -bad- surprise...

 

Mai pen rai... A third dose will do the trick.

 

Or not.

 

Then, a fourth etc. ????

 

More seriously... It's not the fact that fully vaccinated (ah ah ah ah) people catch the viruse... In the Covid world, it's perfectly normal, as they say...

 

What is striking is... the closing of the restaurant.

 

It shows exactly what will happen in Asia and around the world.

 

The madness of Zero Covid Case ideology.

[Unify]

2 hours ago, bkk_bwana said:

No vaccines prevent transmission. When was that ever a claim?

Almost all vaccines reduce transmission. I don't know of any that eliminate it completely.

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2107717

[brewsterbudgen]

32 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

Oh what a shame. And what a total -bad- surprise...

 

Mai pen rai... A third dose will do the trick.

 

Or not.

 

Then, a fourth etc. ????

 

More seriously... It's not the fact that fully vaccinated (ah ah ah ah) people catch the viruse... In the Covid world, it's perfectly normal, as they say...

 

What is striking is... the closing of the restaurant.

 

It shows exactly what will happen in Asia and around the world.

 

The madness of Zero Covid Case ideology.

Exactly. Let's hope a panic induced closure is not going to happen every time staff members test positive - unless there's no one else to run the business. I can see schools facing the same problem when they finally reopen. One kid tests positive and they close the whole school! ????????

Edited September 23, 2021 by brewsterbudgen

[robblok]

2 hours ago, 2long said:

I'm finding it hard to see the point of these vaccines, or forcing people to have them, if things like this happen.

Yes, I know the usual brigade will jump on me to say things like 'they keep people out of hospital' 'it's for the good of others etc' but in places like sports stadia, nightclubs, large companies etc where everyone must show they're vaccinated it doesn't seem to make much difference. In fact, it could be worse!

Ask any motorcyclist how he/she rides without a helmet (slower) or with full leathers (faster). The same analogy could be used with a condom and casual sex.

What I'm trying to say is that if we have this false sense of security of vaccines could spread covid more than common sense and personal choice.

Let me guess your an person that does not want to vaccinate.

 

Vaccines work, for keeping people out of hospitals that has been proven, can't be denied. Shinovax is not that great of a vaccine it does not stop people from getting covid. 

 

I ride a motorbike, i would not even ride without a helmet. So why would i not be vaxed. It stupid and yes if I had to ride without a helmet I would go slower but its still more dangerous as with one on my head. So there goes your analogy. 

 

Just be honest you don't want to be vaxed and that is why you say it should be personal choice.

[robblok]

38 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

Oh what a shame. And what a total -bad- surprise...

 

Mai pen rai... A third dose will do the trick.

 

Or not.

 

Then, a fourth etc. ????

 

More seriously... It's not the fact that fully vaccinated (ah ah ah ah) people catch the viruse... In the Covid world, it's perfectly normal, as they say...

 

What is striking is... the closing of the restaurant.

 

It shows exactly what will happen in Asia and around the world.

 

The madness of Zero Covid Case ideology.

Eh, sorry but your misinformed as most of your kind.

 

The government has told us to live with it, that is certainly not a zero covid case ideology. They are poised to open even though we got plenty of cases. So your basically lying. On par for the deniers.

 

Even if you don't have a zero case ideology its smart to close places of infections disinfect everything and then open back up. I mean 12 of its employees is a LOT. So a bit of cleaning would not be a bad idea. 

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Exactly. Let's hope a panic induced closure is not going to happen every time staff members test positive - unless there's no one else to run the business. I can see schools facing the same problem when they finally reopen. One kid tests positive and they close the whole school! ????????

Eh.. 12 members, not sure how big the staff is but i think its the majority. So in that case disinfecting would be a good idea. 

 

For other cases I agree no need to close a whole school if one kid test positive. But if its a lot of kids...maybe depends a bit. Its been said that Covid can stay on surfaces for days. So if its a huge infection then yea do close something down and sanitize.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Only you don't provide any evidence.

 

Alpha (Nov 2020) and Delta (Oct 2020) were both detected before the first vaccines were approved and administered.

This is the latest scam of the antivaxxers. I really get tired of those dumb lying idiots. Never any proof and they say about anything to justify their strange beliefs. Saying stuff without any proof trying to discredit vaccinations should be punished. Freedom of speech is not the freedom to do harm. 

 

So easy to prove wrong, 

 

Delta came oct 2020 in India and they started vaccinating in 2021. So that proves it wrong already however even that clear evidence wont stop them from spreading lies. 

https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/decoded-how-delta-variant-first-found-in-india-is-spreading-across-globe-121062600980_1.html

The Delta variant was first detected in India in October 2020,

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_India

 

India began administration of COVID-19 vaccines on 16 January 2021

[2long]

20 minutes ago, robblok said:

Let me guess your an person that does not want to vaccinate.

 

Vaccines work, for keeping people out of hospitals that has been proven, can't be denied. Shinovax is not that great of a vaccine it does not stop people from getting covid. 

 

I ride a motorbike, i would not even ride without a helmet. So why would i not be vaxed. It stupid and yes if I had to ride without a helmet I would go slower but its still more dangerous as with one on my head. So there goes your analogy. 

 

Just be honest you don't want to be vaxed and that is why you say it should be personal choice.

I'm already vaxxed thanks Rob... so you're missing my point.

My analogy was just an example of how some people behave when in a false sense of security compared to people who feel vulnerable. But with my hermit-like lifestyle I can only really go on old memories of how I behaved on bikes and in bed. ????

[cclub75]

31 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

The government has told us to live with it, that is certainly not a zero covid case ideology. They are poised to open even though we got plenty of cases. So your basically lying. On par for the deniers.

 

Even if you don't have a zero case ideology its smart to close places of infections disinfect everything and then open back up. I mean 12 of its employees is a LOT. So a bit of cleaning would not be a bad idea. 

 

Lying ? I just confront the facts with the speeches. You have decided to believe only the speeches, good for you.

 

To say "we have to live with Covid" must be matched with acts and facts.

 

To close anything (a restaurant there, a police station in CM, a factory, a boarding school, etc.) because a few cases can be detected among vaccinated people (who are not sick, most of them) is not "learning how to live with Covid".

 

To keep borders closed is not "learning how to live with Covid".

 

To keep preventing the population to earn a living, to work, to learn, to travel, to order a beer in a restaurant or a bar, is not "learning how to live with Covid".

 

To keep curfews, whatever the times, is not "learning how to live with Covid".

Edited September 23, 2021 by cclub75

[DrPhibes]

2 hours ago, Swiss1960 said:

Sinopharm!!!

KHAN!!!

 

Sic Semper Potatum Reclinus"

[robblok]

15 minutes ago, 2long said:

I'm already vaxxed thanks Rob... so you're missing my point.

My analogy was just an example of how some people behave when in a false sense of security compared to people who feel vulnerable. But with my hermit-like lifestyle I can only really go on old memories of how I behaved on bikes and in bed. ????

Your point is valid, its been made before. Not sure how true it is but its partly true of course. But with a 9 or more time less chance to end up in hospital vaccines still do help a lot so even with extra risk its still acceptable. We will have to be let free once.

 

My point is more about antivaxxers that are at higher risk (no problem its their own body) might clog up the health system faster and might lead to lockdowns again (everyone's problem) if they are allowed the same freedoms.  I am all for preventing people who are not vaccinated not be allowed to do everything. This to keep the spread down. But only of course if everyone can be vaccinated. (enough vaccines).

 

All over the world antivaxxers are demanding the same rights as vaccinated people while they will put a bigger strain on the health system of countries if that were to happen. It will also lead to lockdowns if things get out of hand. So i like that there are soft pressure measures in place like that. 

 

Its time that antivaxxers understand its ok for them not to be vaccinated as long as they accept they can't do the same things. Every choice has good and bad sides, but antivaxxers are not willing to accept that. That is why i was a bit fierce when you were talking about personal choices. 

 

Anyway lets hope that things get back to a bit better situation, as its boring as hell not being able to do much.

[robblok]

15 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

 

Lying ? I just confront the facts with the speeches. You have decided to believe only the speeches, good for you.

 

To say "we have to live with Covid" must be matched with acts and facts.

 

To close anything (a restaurant there, a police station in CM, a factory, a boarding school, etc.) because a few cases can be detected among vaccinated people (who are not sick, most of them) is not "learning how to live with Covid".

 

To keep borders closed is not "learning how to live with Covid".

 

To keep preventing the population to earn a living, to work, to learn, to travel, to order a beer in a restaurant or a bar, is not "learning how to live with Covid".

 

To keep curfews, whatever the times, is not "learning how to live with Covid".

Right mate you do know that covid can survive days in restaurants. So if there is a cluster somewhere its normal to close it down and disinfect. You will have to do that else it will spread like wildfire. (so no logic in your argument) We are talking about 12 employees of 1 restaurant. Chances of covid being present at the location is high.

 

Keeping borders closed is not living with covid, they are planning to open up. So what is your problem there is no zero covid strategy. So your lying they are slowly trying to open things up that is the opposite of zero covid.

 

Curfews should go, and bars should be open to those vaccinated. But a bar should be closed and sanitized if a cluster is found. 

 

As far as i know they are going to open everything up so they are certainly not going for a zero covid strategy. You expect everything to happen over night. That is just crazy. But then again covid deniers are a bit crazy. 

 

The goverment should lock the country down again if too many people get in the hospitals (serious cases). So it makes sense to make sure that there are some rules and limits to prevent that from happening. 

 

Living with covid is not the same as total freedom.

[brewsterbudgen]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Eh.. 12 members, not sure how big the staff is but i think its the majority. So in that case disinfecting would be a good idea. 

 

For other cases I agree no need to close a whole school if one kid test positive. But if its a lot of kids...maybe depends a bit. Its been said that Covid can stay on surfaces for days. So if its a huge infection then yea do close something down and sanitize.

Don't get me wrong, obviously deep cleaning infected areas is necessary but maybe this could be done overnight? Curfew permitting!