On 11/24/2021 at 9:46 AM, KhunLA said:

Since 'plan' for new homes, then don't think it will matter.  Seems main point / complaint in news-blip, is poorer folks will be left out.  Don't think they'll be buying new homes anyway.

 

If anything, it will help the 'have nots' as less public charging ports needed in the future, as the 'haves' will have theirs at home.   win win ????

In the UK.....£400 Per month for a small àll electric range 375. Including all taxes servicing and insurance. Our local flats for the elderly will be fitted with power points in the park next year. The town has 3 charging points. Àlso most of the local supermarkets have charging points.

Çharging points are easy to set up as they don't require enormous underground fuel tanks.

Buyers of electric cars are expected to share charging points too.

Fitting an electric vehicle charge point could add £50,000 to your home’s value

DARREN CASSEY

23 November 2021, 1:49 pm

 

The UK is making the switch from combustion-engined vehicles to those powered by electricity.

 

In 2030, the first phase of the UK’s plan to stop the sale of petrol and diesel vehicles begins, and by 2035, only pure electric vehicles can be sold new.

 

Official figures show electric vehicle sales are on the rise, and although they still only make up a small market share, so far in 2021 EV sales are up 86 per cent on 2020.

 

Read more: https://www.aol.co.uk/motoring/fitting-electric-vehicle-charge-point-134934908.html?guce_referrer=YW5kcm9pZC1hcHA6Ly9jb20uZ29vZ2xlLmFuZHJvaWQuZ29vZ2xlcXVpY2tzZWFyY2hib3gv&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABVNQU1HHwl74tHeTAcPnC9VrcJLAYt_x2pbLa6eu-9reAPRasdz-AyMNfNSt9J83KqGBfYJ_dI9at05qT-HDPi_XOHVA0UqxsVtn29GhNlJdEhBtL-1S1YMoRSuuEZGkas4TYy4fd1U-8jI7Hxgyrfie57pHH85gzqb3MciJEZE&guccounter=2

Whoa, that's a wee bit excessive. Might cost that here, 50k, but that in THB, not GBP ... ????

On 10/1/2021 at 5:08 AM, transam said:

And......?    ????

And so that's the future

7 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Whoa, that's a wee bit excessive. Might cost that here, 50k, but that in THB, not GBP ... ????

£50k is between 10 and 20% on UK houses in the South.

2 hours ago, kwilco said:

£50k is between 10 and 20% on UK houses in the South.

฿50k would be 5% on our present house build, and that's a ฿1 m build, which is inexpensive.  Most are ฿2m & up, so even less, and more realistic for the simple addition of a cable & outlet.

 

It's silly enough that a EV could cost as much as our house, or any car for that matter.

9 hours ago, A1Str8 said:

And so that's the future

Indeed.....????

 

Just imagine F1 and Drag racing with no noise, a dismal thought....????

10 minutes ago, transam said:

Just imagine F1 and Drag racing with no noise, a dismal thought....

Living in Thailand I get treated to drag racing screaming motorbikes everyday  - looking forward to the day they get banned  

21 minutes ago, transam said:

Indeed.....????

 

Just imagine F1 and Drag racing with no noise, a dismal thought....????

My tendinitis will be relieved.

3 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

Living in Thailand I get treated to drag racing screaming motorbikes everyday  - looking forward to the day they get banned  

You forgot your youth then, or were you a choir boy....????

3 hours ago, transam said:

Just imagine F1 and Drag racing with no noise, a dismal thought....????

Racing will not change, just add a class for EV's - maybe.

And Boris - the 4th Stooge - only says that NEW cars must be ...

And good luck with that. Just sit back and watch the date pushed back - and back.

Will still be second hand cars available, with all the noise you want. For my lifetime anyway.

After that, who cares

 

1 hour ago, transam said:

You forgot your youth then, or were you a choir boy....????

Head chorister actually. 

5 hours ago, transam said:

 Drag racing

 

8 hours ago, transam said:

Drag racing

Never seen the appeal myself  - but not one to judge

 

10 hours ago, transam said:

Indeed.....????

 

Just imagine F1 and Drag racing with no noise, a dismal thought....????

You'll finally get to hear the tyres.

7 hours ago, transam said:

You forgot your youth then, or were you a choir boy....????

 

11 hours ago, KhunLA said:

฿50k would be 5% on our present house build, and that's a ฿1 m build, which is inexpensive.  Most are ฿2m & up, so even less, and more realistic for the simple addition of a cable & outlet.

 

It's silly enough that a EV could cost as much as our house, or any car for that matter.

You realise it's added value, not cost?

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

Never seen the appeal myself  - but not one to judge

 

Tesla must be having a Black Friday sale...

There's nothing new about electric vehicles.

 

Electric trains were invented about 200 years ago. And first went into production about 150 years ago I think. Quite a few countries have had 30%+ electric train services for a long time.

 

Then there's electric trams, again dating to the nineteenth century, regarded by many as the most civilised form of city transport. And let's not forget the electric underground/metro/ subway.

 

The big difference now is that many governments regard the move to electrificiation of transportation as a necessity. And as we know:

 

"Necessity is the Mother of Invention".

 

3 hours ago, blackprince said:

There's nothing new about electric vehicles.

 

Electric trains were invented about 200 years ago. And first went into production about 150 years ago I think. Quite a few countries have had 30%+ electric train services for a long time.

 

Then there's electric trams, again dating to the nineteenth century, regarded by many as the most civilised form of city transport. And let's not forget the electric underground/metro/ subway.

 

The big difference now is that many governments regard the move to electrificiation of transportation as a necessity. And as we know:

 

"Necessity is the Mother of Invention".

 

First land speed record was an electric car in 1989 

But difference now is that the energy portability to weight ratio is beginning ti cimoete with petrol...and diesel .... so the current models of all electrical are becoming viable.

Worth noting that Toyota are still putting their money into hydrogen powered vehicles which in the long run are a much better solution. Let's hope they don't go the way of Betamax!

How a company turned used Nissan Leaf EV batteries into moneymakers

 

 

Here's another EV, but I'll probably have to extend the garage.

 

 

Virtually all the trains in the US are electric.

 

Are not most modern super-yachts and cruise ships electric as well? 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Virtually all the trains in the US are electric.

That opinion doesn't seem to be shared by US experts:

 

"If electric locomotives have so many advantages compared to diesel-powered locomotives, why aren't they more widespread in the United States?  They now lag behind many other advanced nations, which have been investing for many years in electric-powered railroads.

 

https://www.trains.com/trn/railroads/history/the-stages-of-us-railroad-electrification/

 

"Overview of electrification in the U.S. Electrification in the US reached its maximum of 3,100 miles (5,000 km) in the late 1930s. ... In 2013 the only electrified lines hauling freight by electricity were three short line coal haulers (mine to power plant) and one switching railroad in Iowa."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_electrification_in_the_United_States

 

I haven't been able to find hard stats about electricification of rail in the US. Nothing that would clarify in detail freight v passenger trains, or track for example, but the general consensus of US experts seems to be that the US is lagging behind.

 

It may even be worse in the UK:

 

"Just 8.5% of freight locomotives in the UK are electric. "

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/29/electric-trains-offer-the-best-route-to-greener-transport

 

Shame really, given that the UK and the US were pioneeers in the field. Maybe that's the reason - the size of the installed base of old technology is so big.

 

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Virtually all the trains in the US are electric.

 

Are not most modern super-yachts and cruise ships electric as well? 

Not sure where you get that idea from.

It's incorrect.

Are you confusing diesel-electric with electric?

https://financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-the-problem-with-electric-cars

“Subsidies to make EVs cheaper are not going to cut all that much CO2, according to the IEA,” Lomborg said. “This uses tons of financial resources to allow rich people to virtue signal: 75 per cent of all subsidiaries to green energy are given to the richest quarter of all people for EVs and solar panels.”

8 minutes ago, seedy said:

https://financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-the-problem-with-electric-cars

“Subsidies to make EVs cheaper are not going to cut all that much CO2, according to the IEA,” Lomborg said. “This uses tons of financial resources to allow rich people to virtue signal: 75 per cent of all subsidiaries to green energy are given to the richest quarter of all people for EVs and solar panels.”

Some false premises. Ekectric cars are only part of a raft of measures needed.

Electric cars are not solely a toy of the rich.

Fossil fueled cars have been subsidised in various form for decades.

34 minutes ago, seedy said:

https://financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-the-problem-with-electric-cars

“Subsidies to make EVs cheaper are not going to cut all that much CO2, according to the IEA,” Lomborg said. “This uses tons of financial resources to allow rich people to virtue signal: 75 per cent of all subsidiaries to green energy are given to the richest quarter of all people for EVs and solar panels.”

A very misleading article and a cherry picked quote from you: your quote comes immediately after "Norway’s power comes solely from hydroelectricity".

 

It's obvious that a country that's already running on hydroelecetric power with a very small population like Norway is not going to cut all that much CO2 in absolute terms by using electric cars, but in % terms they will cut a huge anount of CO2 because they will be using clean electricity in their cars, and their domestic consumption is already clean because it's based on hydroelectric.

 

Let me remind you again - this thread is about EVs of all sorts. It's not about EVs v ICE, but feel free to open such a thread if that's what you want to talk about.

 

‘Battery arms race’: how China has monopolised the electric vehicle industry'

All new waves of technology impact global economics as well as geopolitics. Here's a few snippets from a very recent article on the impact of EVs.

 

“Tesla’s factory in Shanghai now produces more cars than its plant in California. Some of the batteries that drive them are Chinese-made and the minerals that power the batteries are largely refined and mined by Chinese companies….

 

China is the world’s biggest market for EVs with total sales of 1.3m vehicles last year, more than 40% of sales worldwide. Chinese battery-maker CATL controls about 30% of the world’s EV battery market…

 

In Europe too, companies are beginning to gain on China’s lead. By the end of the decade, the continent is expected to have 28 factories producing lithium-ion cells, with production capacity due to increase by 1440% from 2020 levels, according to Darton Commodities…

 

The US, however, lags behind, despite a $174bn investment “to win the EV market”, announced as part of President Joe Biden’s $2tn infrastructure package in April, although this has since been slimmed down.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/nov/25/battery-arms-race-how-china-has-monopolised-the-electric-vehicle-industry

..........................................and a very interesting BBC investigative reporting franchise, Panorama (this episode highlighting lithium iron mining in the DRC for Tesla) a few days ago available on the BBC iplayer for those with a vpn in the KIngdom..............

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0011wn5/panorama-the-electric-car-revolution-winners-and-losers

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

Ekectric cars are only part of a raft of measures needed

who is to say what is genuinely needed? The only certainty is the world runs on propaganda; if not why are there so many fat eejits in the west? lol

We need to consume less and an EV is pants if you live in the middle of nowhere.....whatever happened to keeping a 15 year old Peugeot running? I guess they were too lightweight for the fatties eh ????