The Loud exhaust gang - The net is tightening !

[properperson]

 

https://tpnnational.com/2021/11/10/prizes-up-to-20000-baht-to-be-offered-by-thai-national-police-for-people-who-report-motorcyclists-breaking-traffic-laws-starting-next-monday/?fbclid=IwAR3FR-KbcMeDajwpRZ2Fsoma_lqY2HoSmkw-UzVeAf7HiwQUplcTt2qxusQ

 

 

[VocalNeal]

The dogs bark and the caravan moves on.

[Kwasaki]

What are you on about, what's it got to do with loud exhausts Harley's are allowed up to 99 decibels reading. 

[piston broke]

42 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

The dogs bark and the caravan moves on.

I see the "Talk and write like Poppa AL" lessons are doing well - Keep up the good work !

[piston broke]

19 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

What are you on about, what's it got to do with loud exhausts Harley's are allowed up to 99 decibels reading. 

It's got everything to do with loud exhausts - It's illegal to modify a bike once it has left the factory ( only exception is TIS stamped exhausts, which meet the 95db noise limit ) .

 

As standard fit, a Harley exhaust will have to pass very strict sound and emission laws in the US  - A typical Harley over here will have had the legal zorst ( credit Poppa Al) replaced with some wizz bang nonsense, and thus make stupid anti social noise levels, way way above the legal levels.

 

There is no way in the reign of pig's puddin' that the Thai legal exhaust sound limit of 95DB has been increased to 99db Just for Harleys - Made me chuckle though ...

 

 

 

[VocalNeal]

9 minutes ago, piston broke said:

It's illegal to modify a bike once it has left the factory ( only exception is TIS stamped exhausts, which meet the 95db noise limit ) .

I believe they are called deconstructed or some such word. I.e. take a TIS exhaust cut it open , remove the restrictive bits and reassemble. Then sell on Lazada. Mostly for Honda Wave. But...

[VocalNeal]

26 minutes ago, piston broke said:

I see the "Talk and write like Poppa AL" lessons are doing well - Keep up the good work !

I wasn't aware that Papa is Arabic?

[properperson]

 

The net is definately tightening .....

 

I've just Sold my Ducati Scrambler Full Throttle....

 

One of the few Ducatis that comes from the (Thailand) factory with a street legal / Thai TIS stamped system.....

 

Prior to the sale, i took it up  to the MOT Test Centre for it's  annual check, so i could get the tax sticker.....

 

Drove in - Tester came over, took one look at the Termi name on the pipe pipe and said "cannot" - i went into the office and told the lady that it was "standard fit" - She said they were clamping down now and they couldn't pass it .....

 

I went home, downloaded an exhaust picture from Full throttle borchure and went back - still not happy - so i get on my hands an knees and remove the alloy covers to expost the pipes with the TIS stamps - Tester says "OK" .....

 

Then he goes to the back of the bike and looks at the (factory fitted) lower mudguard / plate holder - "cannot" he says...

 

i get the lady out the office and tell her and the tester that this is 100% how it came out of the factory - But they were not budging and unfortunately the part of the brochure i'd downloaded only showed a close up of the Termi pipe ....

 

So back home, downloaded and printed off the whole brochure, and put a red ring round the number plate holder and the termi pipe ....

 

Back to the Test centre - showed them the brochure - Did the test, which it passed...

 

I was spitting feathers as i put the exhaust covers back on....

[seedy]

24 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

I believe they are called deconstructed or some such word. I.e. take a TIS exhaust cut it open , remove the restrictive bits and reassemble.

Did the same on my 650 stock slinceer ass'y. Kept the CAT. Louder but not obnoxious.

[piston broke]

21 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

I wasn't aware that Papa is Arabic?

Got his own language, apparently - part Klingon, part Arabic and part Detroit teenage black kid ... sadly translations are not available on google translate., so i'm bluggered what the hell he's harping on about most of the time.

[piston broke]

5 minutes ago, properperson said:

 

The net is definately tightening .....

 

I've just Sold my Ducati Scrambler Full Throttle....

 

One of the few Ducatis that comes from the (Thailand) factory with a street legal / Thai TIS stamped system.....

 

Prior to the sale, i took it up  to the MOT Test Centre for it's  annual check, so i could get the tax sticker.....

 

Drove in - Tester came over, took one look at the Termi name on the pipe pipe and said "cannot" - i went into the office and told the lady that it was "standard fit" - She said they were clamping down now and they couldn't pass it .....

 

I went home, downloaded an exhaust picture from Full throttle borchure and went back - still not happy - so i get on my hands an knees and remove the alloy covers to expost the pipes with the TIS stamps - Tester says "OK" .....

 

Then he goes to the back of the bike and looks at the (factory fitted) lower mudguard / plate holder - "cannot" he says...

 

i get the lady out the office and tell her and the tester that this is 100% how it came out of the factory - But they were not budging and unfortunately the part of the brochure i'd downloaded only showed a close up of the Termi pipe ....

 

So back home, downloaded and printed off the whole brochure, and put a red ring round the number plate holder and the termi pipe ....

 

Back to the Test centre - showed them the brochure - Did the test, which it passed...

 

I was spitting feathers as i put the exhaust covers back on....

yep, not a good time to be modding yer ( credit Poppa) bike - i see many modd'd bikes for sale and feel sorry for the poor fella who unknowingly buys it and then turns up with all the papers at the transfer centre, only to be told to "do one" (poppa) .

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, piston broke said:

It's got everything to do with loud exhausts - It's illegal to modify a bike once it has left the factory ( only exception is TIS stamped exhausts, which meet the 95db noise limit ) .

 

As standard fit, a Harley exhaust will have to pass very strict sound and emission laws in the US  - A typical Harley over here will have had the legal zorst ( credit Poppa Al) replaced with some wizz bang nonsense, and thus make stupid anti social noise levels, way way above the legal levels.

 

There is no way in the reign of pig's puddin' that the Thai legal exhaust sound limit of 95DB has been increased to 99db Just for Harleys - Made me chuckle though ...

 

95db is for small bikes considered up to 400cc 99db is for big bikes. 

 

What it is offering grasses is rewards for reporting illegal riding.

Even a TIS box can be noisy.

What about older bikes pre-TIS Regs. 

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by Kwasaki

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, properperson said:

 

The net is definately tightening .....

 

I've just Sold my Ducati Scrambler Full Throttle....

 

One of the few Ducatis that comes from the (Thailand) factory with a street legal / Thai TIS stamped system.....

 

Prior to the sale, i took it up  to the MOT Test Centre for it's  annual check, so i could get the tax sticker.....

 

Drove in - Tester came over, took one look at the Termi name on the pipe pipe and said "cannot" - i went into the office and told the lady that it was "standard fit" - She said they were clamping down now and they couldn't pass it .....

 

I went home, downloaded an exhaust picture from Full throttle borchure and went back - still not happy - so i get on my hands an knees and remove the alloy covers to expost the pipes with the TIS stamps - Tester says "OK" .....

 

Then he goes to the back of the bike and looks at the (factory fitted) lower mudguard / plate holder - "cannot" he says...

 

i get the lady out the office and tell her and the tester that this is 100% how it came out of the factory - But they were not budging and unfortunately the part of the brochure i'd downloaded only showed a close up of the Termi pipe ....

 

So back home, downloaded and printed off the whole brochure, and put a red ring round the number plate holder and the termi pipe ....

 

Back to the Test centre - showed them the brochure - Did the test, which it passed...

 

I was spitting feathers as i put the exhaust covers back on....

That's one lousy test centre you should of taken the bike to a DLT for a test and reported the test center. 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, piston broke said:

yep, not a good time to be modding yer ( credit Poppa) bike - i see many modd'd bikes for sale and feel sorry for the poor fella who unknowingly buys it and then turns up with all the papers at the transfer centre, only to be told to "do one" (poppa) .

Not at all DLT's mod can still be legal.

They pass my bike because it's old before any Regs. 

[eisfeld]

11 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

95db is for small bikes considered up to 400cc 99db is for big bikes. 

 

What it is offering grasses is rewards for reporting illegal riding.

Even a TIT box can be noisy.

What about older bikes pre-TIT Regs. 

There is no distinction between smaller and bigger bikes for about 20 years. Back then there was a period where the regulations were different for bikes under and over 125cc.

 

It is 95 dB(A) for all now.

 

Measured at half the RPM where it makes max power or 3/4 if the max power is at less than 5000 RPM.

 

Outside that RPM is another story. Welcome to the concept of electronically actuated exhaust valves.

 

Source: https://ia802902.us.archive.org/11/items/th.cs.341.e.2543/th.cs.341.e.2543.pdf

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, eisfeld said:

There is no distinction between smaller and bigger bikes for about 20 years. Back then there was a period where the regulations were different for bikes under and over 125cc.

 

It is 95 dB(A) for all now.

 

Measured at half the RPM where it makes max power or 3/4 if the max power is at less than 5000 RPM.

 

Outside that RPM is another story. Welcome to the concept of electronically actuated exhaust valves.

 

Source: https://ia802902.us.archive.org/11/items/th.cs.341.e.2543/th.cs.341.e.2543.pdf

Recently in the last couple of months read a Thai road laws page on TIS exhaust because my bike didn't have TIS 28 years ago. 

Found a page on noise and it stated there 95 for small bikes 99 for big bikes.

I was gonna save it I wish I did now. 

[LarrySR]

Anyone know of an inspection station in the Pattaya area that will pass a bike with Termi race pipes?

Asking for a friend.

[johng]

At the inspection place I go to  the whole process is video recorded and from what I saw this information along with "test" results are all sent to the DLT   they seemed a bit less strict on bikes than cars..I'm sure some results could be "fudged"  if someone had the right connections...but don't think they would want to risk loosing their licence for some random stranger. 

 

Last year they refused to test a Mercedes Benz  because the first test couldn't be carried out  due to the headlights not working the owner tried to plead for an exception but the testing center owner said  not possible due to  the video evidence.

 

I'm not sure if all inspection places are now required to save/send video footage but suspect they are...whether that actually happens or not  T.I.T

 

23 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

bike with Termi race pipes

Take it to "Bira"

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bira+Circuit/@12.9218222,101.0057634,17z

 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, LarrySR said:

Anyone know of an inspection station in the Pattaya area that will pass a bike with Termi race pipes?

Asking for a friend.

If they don't have TIS mark it's a case of always keep the oridginals or case of finding someone who is in the know. 

[papa al]

7 hours ago, properperson said:

 

The net is definately tightening .....

 

I've just Sold my Ducati Scrambler Full Throttle....

 

One of the few Ducatis that comes from the (Thailand) factory with a street legal / Thai TIS stamped system.....

 

Prior to the sale, i took it up  to the MOT Test Centre for it's  annual check, so i could get the tax sticker.....

 

Drove in - Tester came over, took one look at the Termi name on the pipe pipe and said "cannot" - i went into the office and told the lady that it was "standard fit" - She said they were clamping down now and they couldn't pass it .....

 

I went home, downloaded an exhaust picture from Full throttle borchure and went back - still not happy - so i get on my hands an knees and remove the alloy covers to expost the pipes with the TIS stamps - Tester says "OK" .....

 

Then he goes to the back of the bike and looks at the (factory fitted) lower mudguard / plate holder - "cannot" he says...

 

i get the lady out the office and tell her and the tester that this is 100% how it came out of the factory - But they were not budging and unfortunately the part of the brochure i'd downloaded only showed a close up of the Termi pipe ....

 

So back home, downloaded and printed off the whole brochure, and put a red ring round the number plate holder and the termi pipe ....

 

Back to the Test centre - showed them the brochure - Did the test, which it passed...

 

I was spitting feathers as i put the exhaust covers back on....

Wow!

Quite a lot of faffing about!

Annoying.

[properperson]

4 hours ago, johng said:

At the inspection place I go to  the whole process is video recorded and from what I saw this information along with "test" results are all sent to the DLT  

 

 

They video'd my ducati and when they swept round to the rear plate holder he showed the Ducati brochure and wittered something in Thai,  and same with the exhaust (even though you could see the TIS stamps....

 

Apparently the video is downloaded to the main man at the regional test centre by regents school (pattaya).

 

Like the Lady said - They are clamping down and the guys in the local test centre would rather say "cannot" than getting roasted by the boss .

[piston broke]

7 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

95db is for small bikes considered up to 400cc 99db is for big bikes. 

 

What it is offering grasses is rewards for reporting illegal riding.

Even a TIS box can be noisy.

What about older bikes pre-TIS Regs. 

 

It's 95DB for all bikes - maybe it's 99DB on planet Zogg,. where you spend much of your time -  but not here in Thailand.

 

Soz and all that.

Edited November 13, 2021 by piston broke

[properperson]

31 minutes ago, papa al said:

Wow!

Quite a lot of faffing about!

Annoying.

sure was - TBH i was glad to see the back of the damn thing as the purchaser rode away on it .

[properperson]

2 minutes ago, piston broke said:

It's 95DB for all bikes - maybe it's 99DB on planet Zogg,. where you spend much of your time -  but not here in Thailand.

 

Soz and all that.

That is true - When the tester set up the sound testing kit for my Ducati (803cc) - he said "have to be 95DB or less" .....

 

Thank the Lord that as he revv'd it, it fluctuated between 94 and 95 DB ....

[Liverpool Lou]

8 hours ago, piston broke said:

9 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

What are you on about, what's it got to do with loud exhausts Harley's are allowed up to 99 decibels reading. 

It's got everything to do with loud exhausts

The OP and the link have bug_ger all to do with loud exhausts.

[Liverpool Lou]

9 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

What are you on about, what's it got to do with loud exhausts Harley's are allowed up to 99 decibels reading. 

Surely they're given the same maximum decibel level as every other vehicle on the roads?

 

Edit:  Ok, just seen your subsequent posts.

Edited November 13, 2021 by Liverpool Lou

[Liverpool Lou]

8 hours ago, properperson said:

I was spitting feathers as i put the exhaust covers back on....

It made you thirsty?

[piston broke]

18 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The OP and the link have bug_ger all to do with loud exhausts.

 

Bit like Liverpool has blugger all to do with decent football....

 

The way it goes i guess....

[piston broke]

15 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It made you thirsty?

 

What's the largest mountain in Liverpool ?

 

Killa man for a giro .....

 

And old 'un, but ....

Edited November 13, 2021 by piston broke

[Liverpool Lou]

9 minutes ago, piston broke said:

 

What's the largest mountain in Liverpool ?

 

Killa man for a giro .....

 

And old 'un, but ....

There's no giros in the Liverpool I'm associated with.