it it Incongruent for Thailand to open its borders now?

[In Full Agreement]

Thailand is opening its borders while at the same time Austria is going into full lockdown after dealing with a fourth wave.

 

The government want to avoid a fifth, sixth or seventh wave.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/austria-enter-lockdown-bring-mandatory-094542966.html

Edited November 19, 2021 by In Full Agreement

[RafPinto]

Austria from today: full lockdown.

Germany: partial lockdown.

 

Covid rates increasing all over Europe and we have no winter yet.

 

Forget about the masses of European tourists coming to Thailand soon.

 

[In Full Agreement]

2 minutes ago, RafPinto said:

Austria from today: full lockdown.

Germany: partial lockdown.

 

Covid rates increasing all over Europe and we have no winter yet.

 

Forget about the masses of European tourists coming to Thailand soon.

 

 

Were you an echo in a past life?    ????

Edited November 19, 2021 by In Full Agreement

[RafPinto]

Just now, In Full Agreement said:

 

Were you an echo in a past life?

And it's Austria, not Australia.

[In Full Agreement]

1 minute ago, RafPinto said:

And it's Austria, not Australia.

 

I believe I was aware of that but  my fingers tend to automatically finish the word  so that it comes out as Australia.     ????

[Mentors65]

As i said before, those who wants to come to Thailand should come right now.

Very soon it will be too late for a while.

[zzaa09]

It appears, after nearly two years of the dreaded COVID ERA, that there isn't an accepted standard of protocol and measures as to how it's been handled. 

Everywhere, it's all been approached differently - and everyone has had their share of mishandlings, ebbs and flows, surges and declines and noted positives - and surely shouldn't be looked upon in a cultural competitive mode, as in many instances it's perceive by way of a comparative and superlative race......and most of these notions have the usual fanciful manner in place. 

 

One thing to keep in mind: the nasty bug isn't political - it will always have an upper hand as long as we continue to see it as such. 

What we really should be fearful of are the convenient systems of establishment.

[RichardColeman]

48 minutes ago, RafPinto said:

Austria from today: full lockdown.

Germany: partial lockdown.

 

Covid rates increasing all over Europe and we have no winter yet.

 

Forget about the masses of European tourists coming to Thailand soon.

 

Hopefully all the worlds olympians will soon devastate the chinese economy and keep them all locked up for another 2 years !

[tomazbodner]

33 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Hopefully all the worlds olympians will soon devastate the chinese economy and keep them all locked up for another 2 years !

Chinese economy could actually doing better than ever. All those bored people at home, shopping for Chinese made stuff over the internet...

[WEBBYB808]

Thailand needs booster shots..  thats the safest way forward.

[toolpush]

16 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

It appears, after nearly two years of the dreaded COVID ERA, that there isn't an accepted standard of protocol and measures as to how it's been handled. 

Everywhere, it's all been approached differently - and everyone has had their share of mishandlings, ebbs and flows, surges and declines and noted positives - and surely shouldn't be looked upon in a cultural competitive mode, as in many instances it's perceive by way of a comparative and superlative race......and most of these notions have the usual fanciful manner in place. 

 

One thing to keep in mind: the nasty bug isn't political - it will always have an upper hand as long as we continue to see it as such. 

What we really should be fearful of are the convenient systems of establishment.

Sweden.....

[chilly07]

Little evidence that Thailand is opening it's borders- except for returning Expats and Foreign Labourers.

[unblocktheplanet]

Even the most full-vaxxed countries such as Israel seem to get subsequent waves.

 

Perhaps next-gen vax will do better. But they still haven't got influenza right.

[zzaa09]

7 hours ago, chilly07 said:

Little evidence that Thailand is opening it's borders- except for returning Expats and Foreign Labourers.

Both slaves to the systems.

[mrwebb8825]

Since Thailand has suffered such a huge financial loss due to covid lockdown, border closures and travel restrictions, I propose they restart (on a limited basis) the multi-entry "border jumper special" visa/extension practice BUT, charge a 10,000 thb exit fee. Just line up at the border, passport in 1 hand, cash in the other, drop, stamp and on your way. 

Of course, this will need to be coordinated and coupled with a "Fee For Private Opening" of Thai consulates where you arrive, line up, passport in 1 hand, cash in the other, drop, deny, return, rinse and repeat 2x and on your way back to the border. 

Now, for reentry ideas....

[Captain Monday]

A vaccinated Austrian arrives. He has needs pre-flight test. He will be post flight tested. The chance of him to bring a new case to Thailand is minimal as been shown over the past 18 months or so of arrival programs all around the world. If a case is detected he can be isolated and treated, if even necessary, most people have sniffles. That is what the test and go and insurance is for right? 

 

Why is it so bad to get covid from a foreigner anyway? If you can just hop on a train or go to work or Tesco and get it from one of the 45 percent of unvaccinated locals? The virus is never going away from now it is live with it or stay closed forever.

Edited November 20, 2021 by Captain Monday

[alphonse]

On 11/19/2021 at 11:54 AM, RichardColeman said:

Hopefully all the worlds olympians will soon devastate the chinese economy and keep them all locked up for another 2 years !

You want people to catch Covid 19?

 

It can be a very unpleasant/horrifying experience and can even cause death.

 

But I'm sure that you are aware of that.

[Will B Good]

As Thailand has suffered reduced income due to a lack of tourist arrivals, I think it would only be fair to charge an "arrival tax" for future arrivals........say, 20,000 baht per person......to make up for the loss of income.

 

Bit like the bars doubling their beer prices because they have so few customers.

[Captain Monday]

48 minutes ago, alphonse said:

You want people to catch Covid 19?

 

It can be a very unpleasant/horrifying experience and can even cause death.

 

But I'm sure that you are aware of that.

The Beijing Olympics will be held under the most onerous protocols imaginable with low risk to China. If any athletes try to gallivant out of their bubbles to traipse around Beijing, trying to defect, getting drunk, or even attacking people like the did at Tokyo they will find out quickly they are in a different world. Media coverage will be limited, as well

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-02/beijing-olympics-blocking-foreign-media-coverage-group-says 

[In Full Agreement]

From the WSJ:

 

 

"As Covid-19 infections and deaths in the European Union eclipse those in the U.S., the region is confronting an ugly reality: Taming the Delta variant is proving harder than a virus-weary continent had hoped. 

Fast-rising Covid-19 contagion in parts of Europe, including Germany, is sparking fears of another winter of full hospitals. Countries are rushing to roll out booster shots as evidence accumulates that last summer’s vaccinations are losing some of their efficacy."

 

 

The planet is so  far  away from getting a handle on this killer.

 

[ukrules]

On 11/21/2021 at 5:00 AM, Captain Monday said:

The virus is never going away from now it is live with it or stay closed forever.

Japan seems to be doing alright

[RafPinto]

First case of new African variant now Europe. Belgium declared they have a first case.

 

It will spread everywhere.

 

 

[JustAnotherHun]

On 11/20/2021 at 5:26 AM, toolpush said:

Sweden.....

Don't say "Sweden" in connection with Covid politics. You might be banned at Youtube, Twitter and Facebook. And do not compare Austria and Switzerland. They won't like that too

[RafPinto]

Have a look here.

 

And there is the new African variant spreading.

 

Forget about any kind of tourists for a long time.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/26/germany-at-crossroads-as-covid-cases-surge-across-europe

[RafPinto]

Germany close to a national lockdown again.

[JustAnotherHun]

11 minutes ago, RafPinto said:

It will spread everywhere.

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Forget about any kind of tourists for a long time

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Germany close to a national lockdown again.

...and Armageddon is coming soon...

[JackGats]

Rollout the booster shots and open everything, period.

[GrandPapillon]

COVID new variant is already spreading all over Europe as we speak, a bit too late for lockdowns to contain it ????

[Captain Monday]

6 hours ago, ukrules said:

Japan seems to be doing alright

What is their secret?

Completely closed to tourism 20 months

Everybody tests before leaving Tokyo or Osaka airport, then 14 days home quarantine no public transportation allowed. 110 percent mask wearing compliant population, near zero vaccine hesitancy.

They have right-wing politicians like USA not  single one stands against masks or vaccination

 

In August they were near peak infection, now near zero.

Korea has very similar conditions but now in peak infection. Very interesting.

 

[Marcomilton7]

On 11/21/2021 at 8:00 AM, Captain Monday said:

A vaccinated Austrian arrives. He has needs pre-flight test. He will be post flight tested. The chance of him to bring a new case to Thailand is minimal as been shown over the past 18 months or so of arrival programs all around the world. If a case is detected he can be isolated and treated, if even necessary, most people have sniffles. That is what the test and go and insurance is for right? 

 

Why is it so bad to get covid from a foreigner anyway? If you can just hop on a train or go to work or Tesco and get it from one of the 45 percent of unvaccinated locals? The virus is never going away from now it is live with it or stay closed forever.

And you can also catch it from vaccinated locals as well. Even if 100% vaccination was reached it doesn’t matter as its NOT  a vaccine. A vaccine stops transmission and gives you immunity- this does neither, wake up