Thailand detects fourth potential Omicron case, first three confirmed

[Bkktodd]

Now a daily score card for A nothing event. Didnt they learn their lesson about creating panic and hatred towards farangs? 

[Toany]

Omicron is so far showing that it is more effective at preventing the serious effects of Delta than a vaccine.  Where can I buy

 it?

[Blumpie]

1 minute ago, Toany said:

Omicron is so far showing that it is more effective at preventing the serious effects of Delta than a vaccine.  Where can I buy

 it?

It's coming right to your door very soon!  ????  

 

I can't find this thread, there are omicron threads all over the place.  This place has more omicron threads than omicron in Thailand!  

[chiman]

Please stop counting

[KhunLA]

Reporting of variant cases is starting to get as silly as the holiday RTA / scooter death counts.

 

Oh my GOD ... 3rd thread, now all of 4 cases ... mass forum panic ... ????

Edited December 10, 2021 by KhunLA

[moe666]

2 hours ago, thailand49 said:

You can't keep out an enemy you can't see!  Here in Thailand as long as you have two standards which is allowing Thais to entered without being vaccinated or even tested or going through all the protocols they required from tourist but of course this is common with the thinking of the leaders here.

The clue to it coming was when the PM " said he got it under control "  let hope the news so far coming out the " OMG " latest name for the Omicron I heard a Thai mispronounced the other day LOL is true that it is mild  ???? because we know when they say control what that means.

The two Thai ladies who brought the virus in were both under a 14 day lockdown because they were unvaccinated. A 14 day lock down is required for all returnees who are unvaccinated how is this different treatment. You are just making the usual thau hates us argument wuth out any supporting evidence.

[Bkk Brian]

This is the latest from WHO on the severity of Omicron and the urban legend that viruses mutate to a milder form. Taken from the 8th Dec Covid Press Briefing Transcript:

 

We certainly have information from South Africa that many of the patients that are identified with omicron have a more mild course of disease but it does take time for people to go through the full course of their infection, the full course of their disease. We do know that the variant, if it can reach vulnerable populations. If you have underlying conditions or are of older age and are not vaccinated you could develop severe disease or there's a much higher risk of developing severe disease so it's too early to tell.

 

So I only wanted to caution against any conclusions about severity of omicron yet because now we really have anecdotal information, we don't really have studies yet. There's some very good work that's happening in South Africa with patients and hospitalised patients. They're using a standardised collection form which they've been using throughout this whole pandemic and we're working with them to look at a time series of the patients now compared with the patients previous in the pandemic to look at what differences we may see.

 

Certainly we have indications of more mild disease but it's too early to conclude on that so I think it's really important and again if we have more transmission, if we have more cases we will have more hospitalisations and if we have more hospitalisations in overburdened healthcare systems the chances of increasing death are much higher.

So we are working with experts around the world to understand, are there intrinsic properties of the variants that cause a change in the severity profile or are there other factors that may lead to more severe disease and death, meaning that people can't get the proper care that they need because the health system is overwhelmed. So it's a little early but again we will update you as we get more information.

 

If we allow a mild disease to transmit unchecked it will generate huge pressure in the health system which will decrease the positive outcomes for people and that's what we've seen with many before. It's also something, I think, we need to caution everyone on. There is an assumption out there that as a disease becomes more transmissible it will become milder. I would hope that most viruses would become less transmissible and milder, that would be the ideal outcome.

But I think there's a little bit of an urban legend around that process. That doesn't necessarily happen. There is pressure on the virus to adapt and become more transmissible because that's an evolutionary pressure.

 

The outcome of whether a virus is more or less severe is much more random. It can happen, it can not happen and in that sense that's why we don't know and I think we have to be very, very careful in making any absolute determinations.

[starky]

3 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

All indicators , in the moment , point to the high probability that some form of the ever mutating virus will stay . It does not seem to disappear alone .

Would it be a good idea to build new specialized hospitals now ?

Hospitals in general are easily overwhelmed by the number of Covid admissions . To a point that normal operations of people with non life threatening cases need to be delayed .

That adds to the fact that it would be better to separate non infected persons from the infected ones anyway .

New hospitals that can specialize in the treatment of Covid cases should be built now .

I am sure that there is enough money left to do that , especially when reducing the non urgent spending for military purposes etc ...

They have had 2 years to build hospitals. Even rich states like Western Australia built on billions of resource dollars and who have stuck to basically covid zero strategy have had 2 years to do something, anything in that regard. Nada.

[SymS]

9 hours ago, Virt said:

Data from south africa.

 

https://www.nicd.ac.za/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/NICD-COVID-19-Daily-Sentinel-Hospital-Surveillance-report-National-20211208.pdf

That's the data to look at. But we need to keep in mind this reports the number of people hospitalized with COVID, but not necessarily because of COVID. Everybody gets tested before admission. Somebody getting treated for cancer may have COVID and be in the ICU for instance. If I remember correctly, John Campbell said 75% of ICU case were for other reasons, while 25% were for COVID, although I can't find this in the data here. As a side note, many media outlets don't quite understand reports and what the data there are reading means.

[flyfrog]

Here we go again, who cares Omicron, dont let people in from Africa thats it, nomore problems and why try to scare the people again??

Looks like Thailand feels honoured and proud to have discovered some Omicron cases and show the world????

[vVDB]

attention South Africa is a young country with an average age of 30 years.

Don't forget : COVID is problematic with people 50 and over ...

you have to wait to see what is happening in a country of 'old' people!

[sambum]

16 hours ago, Mr Derek said:

You think it can be kept out? The world is too mobile and all barriers are porous. It'll get through, like osmosis.

Lockdowns, masks, social distancing, and vaccines are only prolonging the agony. 

I think that the fact that the poster put "letting it in" in brackets tells the story - I think he/she means it's too soon to just let it run rampant.

[Virt]

33 minutes ago, SymS said:

That's the data to look at. But we need to keep in mind this reports the number of people hospitalized with COVID, but not necessarily because of COVID. Everybody gets tested before admission. Somebody getting treated for cancer may have COVID and be in the ICU for instance. If I remember correctly, John Campbell said 75% of ICU case were for other reasons, while 25% were for COVID, although I can't find this in the data here. As a side note, many media outlets don't quite understand reports and what the data there are reading means.

That's correct.

We have the same problem here.

It would actually be nice if they split the numbers in 2, so we could see how many were admitted only with covid.

It's still important to remember that the ones admitted for something else, need to be treated as covid patients if they are tested positive on arrival, which means speciel sections and other more time consuming procedures for the staff.

 

So that's also something that can overburden the hospitals, even if it's not the virus that is the patients main problem.

[Virt]

44 minutes ago, Harrith1954 said:

Oh, well, in the UK they want people to take boosters for every three months allready, i think that is crazy, for variants Will be not lethal anymore. They het milder every mutations and do not have severe sickness...

Uhm i don't think that's true.

 

Just because the virus mutated into something milder does not the mean next mutation will also be mild 

That's not how virus work.

 

It actually already mutated and they say the PCR test can't detect the new mutation.

Not as in PCR can't detect the virus, because it will still become positive, but they can't detect if it's omicron like some PCR can with original omicron.

So that means more genome sequencing and slower detecting of that mutated omicron.

 

I will try and find the link.

Edit. Link. Sorry if it has been posted earlier in thread.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/second-version-omicron-variant-ba2

Edited December 10, 2021 by Virt

[SunsetT]

15 hours ago, Blumpie said:

The news coming out is very good.  How we get to total saturation of the latest variant isn't really up to us - it is coming and that is that.  

If the variant has no worse ill health effects than now and it keeps going, most experts agree in this hypothetical situation the pandemic should be over.  

We are still waiting for the final word and it will take some weeks yet, or so they say.  

You cannot keep a virus out.  Full stop, end of discussion.  This has nothing to do with governance.  

I just wanted to edit this post and add that it has displaced delta by 95-98 percent of new infections.  Delta is basically done right now.  Furthermore, 75 percent of people getting diagnosed with omicron don't even know they have it.  They are going to hospitals for something else and they get a test as a matter of course and are surprised they have it.  

Good news indeed!  

You are extraordinarily well informed. Do you have inside information?

[ArcticFox]

OMG.  Sent them all to a Thong Lor nightclub and then open up the roads nationwide for New Years!  That will take care of the problem just like last April!!!

[Omicron]

I have just joined this forum and read through this thread and it seems to me there are quite a few keyboard scientists and viralogists out there, the top guys all around europe do not understand this strain yet, they do not know how it it is going to pan out, but evidently some of you guys do, eer on the side of caution get your vaccines and be sensible about it, as for the comments about it being  just like "Influenza", the flu is a long term killer, killing many thousands per year, 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

Didn't get much publicity that he was anything other than an American. Thanks for the info.

I read it in the paper we cannot quote a couple of days ago.

[Virt]

10 minutes ago, Omicron said:

I have just joined this forum and read through this thread and it seems to me there are quite a few keyboard scientists and viralogists out there, the top guys all around europe do not understand this strain yet, they do not know how it it is going to pan out, but evidently some of you guys do, eer on the side of caution get your vaccines and be sensible about it, as for the comments about it being  just like "Influenza", the flu is a long term killer, killing many thousands per year, 

Welcome to these fora.

Get ready to get jumped by certain posters ????

 

Don't mention the war.....

[Clarkey611]

19 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Dr. Supakit said that the two Thai women have recovered and are now clear of the highly transmissible variant.

Amazing that! I am not sure whether it would be the same for the dirty farang.

[Danderman123]

32 minutes ago, Omicron said:

I have just joined this forum and read through this thread and it seems to me there are quite a few keyboard scientists and viralogists out there, the top guys all around europe do not understand this strain yet, they do not know how it it is going to pan out, but evidently some of you guys do, eer on the side of caution get your vaccines and be sensible about it, as for the comments about it being  just like "Influenza", the flu is a long term killer, killing many thousands per year, 

In my opinion, the data from South Africa is still not really understandable and is contradictory. But, reading between the lines, the new variant seems mild. 

[smudger1951]

19 hours ago, Gold Star said:

All reports so far indicate this is a milder, more transmissible variant that will displace Delta as the dominant strain, bringing an end to the mortal dangers of this pandemic.

 

Perhaps doing the opposite, and letting it into the country may be be the right thing to do to get the world back on track.

 

We will know soon either way. It is coming.

When will the world get back on track ? We are led by politicians everywhere who revel in the fear and control they have over us. The UK is sliding into into lockdown for no legitimate reasons.

[Alidiver]

Thailand testing regime is pathetic.

You have it there.

I don't believe any of the numbers from this government where you have to pay for tests and treatment.

If you are unwell ( like me, and many others, March 2019) you stay in and suffer until you are better.

My theory is that Covid in various guises has been around for years and Thais have already built up a certain amount of herd immunity

Edited December 10, 2021 by Alidiver

[kiwikeith]

21 hours ago, Gold Star said:

All reports so far indicate this is a milder, more transmissible variant that will displace Delta as the dominant strain, bringing an end to the mortal dangers of this pandemic.

 

Perhaps doing the opposite, and letting it into the country may be be the right thing to do to get the world back on track.

 

We will know soon either way. It is coming.

Looks good, SA hospital reports are looking good , oxygen use is way down, death rates are way down, people are being sent home from hospitals after co-incidental diagnosis, lets hope it stays that way, The Thai govt ,on the side of caution, I think, got it right this time.

[Bkk Brian]

Hospitalizations from SA from WHO update 9th Dec

 

[metisdead]

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[kiwikeith]

4 hours ago, Omicron said:

I have just joined this forum and read through this thread and it seems to me there are quite a few keyboard scientists and viralogists out there, the top guys all around europe do not understand this strain yet, they do not know how it it is going to pan out, but evidently some of you guys do, eer on the side of caution get your vaccines and be sensible about it, as for the comments about it being  just like "Influenza", the flu is a long term killer, killing many thousands per year, 

Correct but, the flue did not cause the world to be locked down, economic mayhem and ruin businesses  that were small but doing ok against the big giants.

[kiwikeith]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hospitalizations from SA from WHO update 9th Dec

 

Can you post the death rate graph, and the oxygen use across SA which has gone down dramatically since Omicron, now is the dominant strain. 

[tandor]

9 hours ago, tandor said:

...Even though SarsCovi2 is described as a 'weak virus'; we all must get vaccinated.

...absolutely correct.

[tandor]

9 hours ago, tandor said:

...Even though SarsCovi2 is described as a 'weak virus'; we all must get vaccinated.

absolutely.