Virologist Recommends Mixing and Matching COVID Vaccines

[Jonathan Fairfield]

 

Thailand’s top virologist says there is scientific evidence proving the effectiveness of combining COVID-19 vaccines. He added that this evidence is due to be published in international medical journals.

 

Dr. Yong Poovorawan said he was worried that Thais were spending too much time debating the issue while the rest of the world was implementing policy and setting standards.

 

He further cited a paper recently published by the World Health Organization on “Interim Recommendations for heterologous COVID-19 vaccine schedules,” which recommends mixing vaccines such as the inactivated viral vector or mRNA combinations used in Thailand.

 

The WHO also recommends nations adjust their vaccine rollouts based on the availability of vaccines.

 

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[EricTh]

Thailand's 'top virologist' doesn't mean much if other 'top virologists' don't agree with you.

[connda]

Yong back in the spotlight again.

Translated: 
Take whatever you're given, don't complain, and be happy. 

[connda]

1 hour ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

The WHO also recommends nations adjust their vaccine rollouts based on the availability of vaccines.

Bingo!  There's what it's really all about.

[Promsak]

4 hours ago, EricTh said:

Thailand's 'top virologist' doesn't mean much if other 'top virologists' don't agree with you.

In this case they do.

[seabear]

8 hours ago, Promsak said:

In this case they do.

Maybe you have some names?

And you know by whom they are sponsored?

[CANSIAM]

Naturally the Thai's will debate anything now after pumping Sinovac into everybody last year as the 'go to vaccine'........... 

Edited December 19, 2021 by CANSIAM

[Henryford]

The WHO recommends.. ha ha oh yes the organisation owned by China. I wouldn't believe them if they said night follows day.

[TooMuchTime]

I don't trust this guy at all.

 

I will stick with what the CEOs of Pfizer and Moderna have to say

[ozimoron]

13 hours ago, EricTh said:

Thailand's 'top virologist' doesn't mean much if other 'top virologists' don't agree with you.

But they do. I'm seeing the usual knee jerk, uninformed  Thai bashing going on in this thread without having done a shred of fact checking. No links to contradictory evidence whatsoever.

 

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/mixing-covid-vaccines-could-result-in-stronger-imm

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/countries-weigh-mix-match-covid-19-vaccines-2021-05-24/

Edited December 19, 2021 by ozimoron

[hotchilli]

15 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Thailand’s top virologist says there is scientific evidence proving the effectiveness of combining COVID-19 vaccines. He added that this evidence is due to be published in international medical journals.

So he surfs too.... 

[ikke1959]

If you get so many jabs there is aways something that will work. First a Sinovac and or a Sinopharm, than an Astra and than a Pfizer or a Moderna,,, and if it is not working enough we give you a booster.... But...in fact you are not vaccinated with 2 the same vaccines to have a good protection so a booster could do his its job better as recommended by th WHO 

[khunPer]

Regarding the comments above, unfortunately Dr. Yong Poovorawan is right...

 

Reuters 16th December...

WHO makes interim recommendations for mixing and matching COVID-19 vaccines

 

SCMP 17th December...

Coronavirus: WHO gives the nod for mix-and-match vaccine schedules

 

WHO 16th December...

Interim recommendations for heterologous COVID-19 vaccine schedules

[Tracyb]

17 hours ago, connda said:

Yong back in the spotlight again.

Translated: 
Take whatever you're given, don't complain, and be happy. 

Hmmm, that’s good too!  When I read it I thought….”Shut up, sit down and roll up your sleeve……”. I like your interpretations better, though.  I might be getting too cranky! ????

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Tracyb

[BrainFodder]

Look up

Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Thai German and most awarded in Germany.

Dr. Michael Yeadon, virologist and former Pfizer Vice President for 20 years.

Dr. Malone, inventor of mNRA

Dr. Peter McCullough, cardiac specialist amongst other things,

to name a few who have others ideas. Of course Wikipedia and others do their usual job on them, to stop any dialogue amongst scientists, who offer dissenting viewpoints. No doubt many will ignore, or rant, that is okay, as someone said before, it is easier to fool someone, than to get them to admit they were fooled. Remember, there are three types of jabs and only one type (not brand), uses well founded, tested technology.

 

 

 

[arithai12]

2 hours ago, BrainFodder said:

Look up

Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Thai German and most awarded in Germany.

Dr. Michael Yeadon, virologist and former Pfizer Vice President for 20 years.

Dr. Malone, inventor of mNRA

Dr. Peter McCullough, cardiac specialist amongst other things,

to name a few who have others ideas. Of course Wikipedia and others do their usual job on them, to stop any dialogue amongst scientists, who offer dissenting viewpoints. No doubt many will ignore, or rant, that is okay, as someone said before, it is easier to fool someone, than to get them to admit they were fooled. Remember, there are three types of jabs and only one type (not brand), uses well founded, tested technology.

 

 

 

So why exaclty should these names that you quote be considered more independent than the Thai virologist (for whom I have no special sympathy btw), or any other? Especially someone who works for a particular company seems not very independent to me.

 

I looked up one at random, Dr. Yeadon, retired. Wikipedia says quite a few nasty things about him, including that he claimed that Covid was over in 2020 and that he is a no-vaxx leader. Also, you say he was a virologist, while Wikipedia says "pharmacologist". And he was in no way associated with the development of the Pfizer vaccine for Covid, as far as I can understand.

 

Now, I have now way -or interest- to disprove what is written in Wikipedia, but apparently you know better. Care to tell us?

 

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, BrainFodder said:

Look up

Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Thai German and most awarded in Germany.

Dr. Michael Yeadon, virologist and former Pfizer Vice President for 20 years.

Dr. Malone, inventor of mNRA

Dr. Peter McCullough, cardiac specialist amongst other things,

to name a few who have others ideas. Of course Wikipedia and others do their usual job on them, to stop any dialogue amongst scientists, who offer dissenting viewpoints. No doubt many will ignore, or rant, that is okay, as someone said before, it is easier to fool someone, than to get them to admit they were fooled. Remember, there are three types of jabs and only one type (not brand), uses well founded, tested technology.

 

 

 

How about you link to the specific articles and evidence which prove your assertion. Don't be lazy, most people here at least try to support their arguments.

 

Oh wait, I know why

 

"Sucharit Bhakdi is a retired Thai-German microbiologist. In 2020 and 2021 Bhakdi became a prominent source of misinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic, claiming that the pandemic was "fake" and that COVID-19 vaccines were going to decimate the world's population."

 

"Michael Yeadon is a British anti-vaccine activist and retired pharmacologist who attracted media attention for making false or unfounded claims about the COVID-19 pandemic and the safety of COVID-19 ..."

 

McCullough promoted misinformation and falsehoods about COVID-19, the COVID-19 vaccine, and COVID-19 treatments

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by ozimoron

[BritManToo]

22 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Thailand’s top virologist says there is scientific evidence proving the effectiveness of combining COVID-19 vaccines. He added that this evidence is due to be published in international medical journals.

Sadly the 'Thailand' part of this sentence, to me, automatically negates anything he says.

Thailand, hub of experts who know nothing about their supposed areas of expertise.

How did he get his job, by his own merit, or by his family connections?

(no need to answer, we all know)

 

I'm still trying to train my throat muscles to not let the virus in.

Edited December 19, 2021 by BritManToo

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Sadly the 'Thailand' part of this sentence, to me, automatically negates anything he says.

Thailand, hub of experts who know nothing about their supposed areas of expertise.

 

I'm still trying to train my throat muscles to not let the virus in.

What expertise do you have to accuse him of not knowing what he's talking about? His assertion has been well supported internationally and adequate evidence of that has been provided in this thread.

[MrJ2U]

Just admit you haven't enough vaccines for the third year in a row.

 

You'll just have to use whats still in the closet and whatever vaccine gets donated to you.

 

 

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Just admit you haven't enough vaccines for the third year in a row.

 

You'll just have to use whats still in the closet and whatever vaccine gets donated to you.

 

 

What about the fact that every scientist and medical authority on the planet agrees with him? Don't you read articles which don't suit your narrative?

[TooMuchTime]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Sadly the 'Thailand' part of this sentence, to me, automatically negates anything he says.

Thailand, hub of experts who know nothing about their supposed areas of expertise.

How did he get his job, by his own merit, or by his family connections?

(no need to answer, we all know)

 

I'm still trying to train my throat muscles to not let the virus in.

You can say the same about US "experts".

Land of connections, corporate "donations", and nepotism.

 

You are only told whatever makes the big boys the most money.  Easy to do especially when hiding behind titles where you expect no political influence.

[Kadilo]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

What about the fact that every scientist and medical authority on the planet agrees with him? Don't you read articles which don't suit your narrative?

He is backing up what other experts are saying all over the world but it won’t stop the TB or the d&g merchants having a dig. 
 

Strangely enough people were criticising the 3 month gap a few months ago, now most countries have adopted it. 

[RPCVguy]

22 hours ago, khunPer said:

Regarding the comments above, unfortunately Dr. Yong Poovorawan is right...

 

Reuters 16th December...

WHO makes interim recommendations for mixing and matching COVID-19 vaccines

 

SCMP 17th December...

Coronavirus: WHO gives the nod for mix-and-match vaccine schedules

 

WHO 16th December...

Interim recommendations for heterologous COVID-19 vaccine schedules

Thanks for these links, especially the third one which accesses a PDF showing various studies (including from Thailand) as to mix-n-match approach/ results. The results of AZ followed by Pfizer have been published since April, and repeated as listed (again in Nature at https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01805-2)

I saw the Philippines is looking at boosting involving Sinovac and Sinopharm followed by AZ then Pfizer, but the study has not issued its report yet.

Bangkok provides access now to Pfizer after many options as in a related post here in Aseannow: (emphasis mine)

Quote

 

"BANGKOK (NNT) - The Central Vaccination Center at Bang Sue Grand Station will begin registering people via mobile networks for booster shots using the Pfizer vaccine.

This round of registrations is intended for people who received either two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine; a mix-vaccination with the first dose being the Sinovac or Sinopharm jab, followed by AstraZeneca; or the Pfizer vaccine as their second injection following an initial dose of either the Sinovac or Sinopharm jab. The interval between the second dose and the booster must also be 90 days or longer."

 

As with earlier in the vaccine rollout, the mRNA options are most easily available in Bangkok and then in the bigger cities. Our local hospital says they won't start boosters until January. Worse for me, I've been told only AZ will be available as a booster. If I want/ desire mRNA, I'll need to wait longer (??) or find a ride to a city.

[khunPer]

18 minutes ago, RPCVguy said:

As with earlier in the vaccine rollout, the mRNA options are most easily available in Bangkok and then in the bigger cities. Our local hospital says they won't start boosters until January. Worse for me, I've been told only AZ will be available as a booster. If I want/ desire mRNA, I'll need to wait longer (??) or find a ride to a city.

We are offered Pfizer-booster walk-in on the island where I live from the 26th this month, for us that received the second jab in September; it's not a major city, only 60,000 registered inhabitant on the whole island, but probably because is a tourist destination.

[MrJ2U]

15 hours ago, ozimoron said:

What about the fact that every scientist and medical authority on the planet agrees with him?

Nonsense.

 

What planets are you from?

 

 

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Nonsense.

 

What planets are you from?

 

 

Ok, show me a credible authority stating otherwise.

[mtls2005]

It's one thing to mention that combinations are wonderful, and that countries should do the best they can with what they have. Kind of Common Sense 101? However folks like dr. yong should be offering concrete plans for thailand for the next six months, rather than pontificating. On the plus side he has his little temp-check sticker.

 

I think the plan is AZ 2X then Pfizer 1X, but that's just based on regime-speak over the past few weeks. And we're told by the health minister that thailand has conquered the weak, inferior COVID. So no worries.

 

 

On 12/19/2021 at 1:00 PM, khunPer said:

WHO 16th December...

Interim recommendations for heterologous COVID-19 vaccine schedules

 

Form this summary of many studies (~ 100), this one sentence jumped out...

 

Safety
Limited safety data are available for the majority of heterologous product combinations.

 

 

 

 

[MrJ2U]

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Ok, show me a credible authority stating otherwise.

What are you talking about.

 

Argument with a guy who's probably doesn't even live and understand Thailand.

 

You need enough vaccines to vaccinate the people.

 

They don't have enough vaccines to even give boosters.

 

Don't wet your pants but your hero Anutin practically declared himself the next Prime Minister.

 

If Thais have their way it'll never happen!

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

What are you talking about.

 

Argument with a guy who's probably doesn't even live and understand Thailand.

 

You need enough vaccines to vaccinate the people.

 

They don't have enough vaccines to even give boosters.

 

Don't wet your pants but your hero Anutin practically declared himself the next Prime Minister.

 

If Thais have their way it'll never happen!

The story was about mixing vaccines. Try to stay on topic. If you wish to claim he had an ulterior motive in saying that then put up some evidence or stop engaging in baseless claims.