Bluetongue Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 OK going in on Tuesday to Chantaburi to renew retirement extension and get reentry permit. The bank took out a 300baht card fee and that left me 22 baht short for a month. This was January. As soon as I noticed I put 1000 in. I wouldn't have got the text reminder anyway as I was out of the country so please don't bang on about that. I could leave the country without doing it as my flight is before the extension expires, but I would have to start again and I don't really want to do that, other possible issues etc. I get on pretty well with them and I expect that I'll be able to work it out reasonably, perhaps a small present. But forewarned is forearmed, whats the worst they can do. Any thoughts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chris.B Posted December 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) They could refuse your extension if they notice it. In that case they could suggest a 60 day extension to get your bank record back on track. Did you leave the 800K in the bank for the rest of the year? "perhaps a small present." Be very careful here! If, as a last resort, you could ask if you are able to pay a fine/penalty to right things. In future, keep an extra 10 grand in the bank on top of the 800K! Edited December 23, 2021 by Chris.B 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fulhamster Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Well, the worst they could do is deny your extension. But I'm sure you will be able to sort it out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fredscats Posted December 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Chris.B said: They could refuse your extension if they notice it. In that case they could suggest a 60 day extension to get your bank record back on track. Did you leave the 800K in the bank for the rest of the year? "perhaps a small present." Be very careful here! If, as a last resort, you could ask if you are able to pay a fine/penalty to right things. In future, keep an extra 10 grand in the bank on top of the 800K! As I was 3000 short one month 65000 method 5000 fine 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetongue Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Chris.B said: They could refuse your extension if they notice it. In that case they could suggest a 60 day extension to get your bank record back on track. Did you leave the 800K in the bank for the rest of the year? "perhaps a small present." Be very careful here! If, as a last resort, you could ask if you are able to pay a fine/penalty to right things. In future, keep an extra 10 grand in the bank on top of the 800K! Yes the 800 has been there all year. I was hoping they wouldn't notice, ie the passbook update would be one of those block ones where each transaction isn't printed, however alas I didn't have enough transactions for that. No point "losing" the passbook and getting a statement as the opening balance would be 799977.5. I am leaving the country on 14/1 so I'm not sure an extension does it for me. My current one expires 18/1 a 2 month extension would be 18/3, they probably wouldn't do a retirement extension before I left. I should say regarding asking about a fine or penalty, my frugal instincts probably don't extend to giving them 5k for such a tiny mistake I'd have to think about that if it was the final option. Edited December 23, 2021 by Bluetongue added a sentence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 they could steer you to an agent who would charge 8k+ for that 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tgw Posted December 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bluetongue said: Yes the 800 has been there all year. I was hoping they wouldn't notice, ie the passbook update would be one of those block ones where each transaction isn't printed, however alas I didn't have enough transactions for that. No point "losing" the passbook and getting a statement as the opening balance would be 799977.5. I am leaving the country on 14/1 so I'm not sure an extension does it for me. My current one expires 18/1 a 2 month extension would be 18/3, they probably wouldn't do a retirement extension before I left. I should say regarding asking about a fine or penalty, my frugal instincts probably don't extend to giving them 5k for such a tiny mistake I'd have to think about that if it was the final option. couldn't this be sorted by the bank by just cancelling the charge and re-charging it now? then they issue a corrected statement and it's like the charge never happened. Edited December 23, 2021 by tgw 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted December 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, tgw said: couldn't this be sorted by the bank by just cancelling the charge and re-charging it now? then they issue a corrected statement and it's like the charge never happened. Why would they do that even if they could? 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetongue Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, tgw said: couldn't this be sorted by the bank by just cancelling the charge and re-charging it now? then they issue a corrected statement and it's like the charge never happened. I like the way you think, I'll ask them when I'm in getting the letter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Why would they do that even if they could? I would have done that for a customer. It's not a big thing to do - at least it wasn't when I worked at a bank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted December 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, tgw said: I would have done that for a customer. It's not a big thing to do - at least it wasn't when I worked at a bank. OK. But here in Thailand I would fall off my chair in shock if they said anything other than CANNOT. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paulaew Posted December 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2021 Really sorry to hear about your problem, a mere 22 baht, geez. Here is my advice to you: I think it's a very high probability that the immigration officers will detect the shortfall, and they may refuse your extension as a result. If you can give them some Covid-related excuse they might have mercy on you. Do not offer a bribe to the immigration officer. I say it with some reason, because I use that particular immigration office, and my regular officer contacted me a while back requesting that I be a character witness for him since his senior officer was doing a general review of bribery issues among his staff. If you can leave the country prior to your extension, it's really not that big of a deal to apply for a new retirement visa when you return, the paperwork is about the same. That would be the safest course of action, but you might get lucky with your current extension. My recent experience with that office is that there are signs of leniency during the Covid period. In September I was 2 weeks late with a 90 day report and they didn't fine me, much to my surprise. Good luck and let us know how you make out. Paul Laew 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetongue Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 20 hours ago, Paulaew said: Really sorry to hear about your problem, a mere 22 baht, geez. Here is my advice to you: I think it's a very high probability that the immigration officers will detect the shortfall, and they may refuse your extension as a result. If you can give them some Covid-related excuse they might have mercy on you. Do not offer a bribe to the immigration officer. I say it with some reason, because I use that particular immigration office, and my regular officer contacted me a while back requesting that I be a character witness for him since his senior officer was doing a general review of bribery issues among his staff. If you can leave the country prior to your extension, it's really not that big of a deal to apply for a new retirement visa when you return, the paperwork is about the same. That would be the safest course of action, but you might get lucky with your current extension. My recent experience with that office is that there are signs of leniency during the Covid period. In September I was 2 weeks late with a 90 day report and they didn't fine me, much to my surprise. Good luck and let us know how you make out. Paul Laew I think this is sound advice. And as a bonus it's actually true. I wouldn't normally travel outbound at that time, because of Covid, I'd had flight cancellations and been bumped, I was stressed out and quite literally in the air when this happened. So I'll go with that. I wouldn't have offered a bribe, but sort of poked around a bit. I thought about actually owning up to it straight off, but then thats a very Western thing to do, probably better to let them "catch it" and then beg Covid and ignorance etc. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2009 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Why does the money have to be there all year for retirement extension, but only two months for marriage/family extension? Strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetongue Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, 2009 said: Why does the money have to be there all year for retirement extension, but only two months for marriage/family extension? Strange. Weird yes. Actually only 400k has to be there all year, 800 has to be there 3months before and after extension. I just leave it there rather than stuff around with it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chris.B Posted December 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Bluetongue said: I think this is sound advice. And as a bonus it's actually true. I wouldn't normally travel outbound at that time, because of Covid, I'd had flight cancellations and been bumped, I was stressed out and quite literally in the air when this happened. So I'll go with that. I wouldn't have offered a bribe, but sort of poked around a bit. I thought about actually owning up to it straight off, but then thats a very Western thing to do, probably better to let them "catch it" and then beg Covid and ignorance etc. Thanks. Sorry, I do not think you will be getting any leniency or compassion from Thai Immigration, this is not the UK! You also need a letter from your bank for your extension. I wouldn't be surprised if that letter states the minimum balance held during the past year. PS. Do you only have one bank account in Thailand? Don't you have another with at least 22 baht in it so you could claim you have held the full 800K in Thai Banks? Edited December 24, 2021 by Chris.B 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 They are usually very helpful at the IO but you may have to pay a fine or better still start working wit an agent for all your dealings with Thai bureaucracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunLA Posted December 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2021 I'd be very surprised if denied the extension. That would have to be one anal IO & Imm office. Since retirement ext issued on site. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluetongue Posted December 24, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2021 27 minutes ago, Chris.B said: Sorry, I do not think you will be getting any leniency or compassion from Thai Immigration, this is not the UK! You also need a letter from your bank for your extension. I wouldn't be surprised if that letter states the minimum balance held during the past year. PS. Do you only have one bank account in Thailand? Don't you have another with at least 22 baht in it so you could claim you have held the full 800K in Thai Banks? Yes I do have another account, it would have had some money in it I'm sure 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.B Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bluetongue said: Yes I do have another account, it would have had some money in it I'm sure Well you had better update the book and get photocopies of it then. Update it by putting in 100 baht. Edited December 24, 2021 by Chris.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetongue Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chris.B said: Well you had better update the book and get photocopies of it then. I may have to get a statement as the book will update in bulk and will not give the details of the rolling balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted December 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2021 38 minutes ago, Chris.B said: You also need a letter from your bank for your extension. I wouldn't be surprised if that letter states the minimum balance held during the past year. Wrong It has the balance in the account on the day the letter is done. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.B Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Bluetongue said: I may have to get a statement as the book will update in bulk and will not give the details of the rolling balance Correct. A 12 month statement with the bank's stamp on each page. My bank charges 200 baht for that. Of course, don't show them any of this unless they spot the shortfall! Edited December 24, 2021 by Chris.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohy Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 An agent will certainly sort this out on this occasion Next time put in a few extra 1000 THB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohy Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, KhunLA said: I'd be very surprised if denied the extension. That would have to be one anal IO & Imm office. Since retirement ext issued on site. like i said i am sure they will have a "friend" who they will suggest can help That way the money is split by everyone including most importantly the boss Edited December 24, 2021 by poohy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigupandchill Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Good luck - please let us know what happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Digitalbanana Posted December 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2021 On 12/23/2021 at 11:23 AM, Bluetongue said: The bank took out a 300baht card fee and that left me 22 baht short for a month. Why have a card for an account used for retirement extensions with a balance so close to limit? Just open a second account for immigration only with no card so no annual fees or unexpected deductions all year long? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetongue Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Digitalbanana said: Why have a card for an account used for retirement extensions with a balance so close to limit? Just open a second account for immigration only with no card so no annual fees or unexpected deductions all year long? Yes, good point, originally didn't set the account up for that purpose but I'm going into the bank to cancel the card (and the fee) on that account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Bluetongue said: Weird yes. Actually only 400k has to be there all year, 800 has to be there 3months before and after extension. I just leave it there rather than stuff around with it Wrong. 2 Months before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bluetongue said: Yes, good point, originally didn't set the account up for that purpose but I'm going into the bank to cancel the card (and the fee) on that account You could tell immigration upfront that you asked the bank to cancel your card, but it appeared that they didn't because you noticed that they still took out their fee of 300 baht on such and such a date and when you realised it, you added 1,000 baht to the account and went into the bank to cancel the card again so that they don't charge you the fee again. Add to that, that it was totally out of your control, and as they can see the funds where in the account when required except for when the bank took their fee out to leave you 22 baht short of the required 800k baht. I would be firm, always polite, offer them nothing, and I believe it should be a walk in the park, look nervous and they will go you for some tea money, worse case scenario they refuse you and off you go, then do another when you return. Not the end of the world and certainly wouldn't be feeding them for the job they are supposed to be doing, otherwise your just encouraging them and making things worse IMO. Edited December 24, 2021 by 4MyEgo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now