11 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

What are the reported figures and how do the call into question the official figures? 

 

Are the reported figures not official and coming from the same place? 

2 conflicting sets of figures available yesterday: The 1st from NNT on Facebook. The 2nd showing double the number of cases is from the WHO on Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/coronavirus_info?page_source=covid_vaccine_faxit&hoisted_module_type=covid_vaccine_development

France had 100000.oo cases the other day.

A dirty, unhygienic and

under vaccinated country like Thailand is guaranteed to have the same numbers if not more if they ever tested and counted correctly 

3 hours ago, Petey11 said:

Daily totals reported are dropping but then they say many clusters happening and rising. Maybe there is a week's time lag from testing to entering the system?

I suspect they are keeping the numbers low until after New Year, either through low testing numbers or deliberate manipulation.

 

They want the numbers to support keeping the New Year period open for travel (I assume to throw a lifeline to domestic tourism) and then after that, they will have no choice but to let the true numbers be known. This will result in them re-introducing their favourite restrictions in early January, which of course will do little to stop the spread. Basically a replay of Songkran, shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted.

Back to the ZERO COVID STRATEGY

It will rip first or second week in janurary, a 4 week trailing EU UK this cant be stopped testing and high number of cases with lower hosp adms trending else where

Only problem can Thailand afford a lockdown again having come from an 8 month most of 21 and still on a high baht.

Was hoping for a return end of jan if it stays open.

10 minutes ago, tomyami said:

It will rip first or second week in janurary, a 4 week trailing EU UK this cant be stopped testing and high number of cases with lower hosp adms trending else where

Only problem can Thailand afford a lockdown again having come from an 8 month most of 21 and still on a high baht.

Was hoping for a return end of jan if it stays open.

There seems to be a pervasive delusion that the economy will do well in an out of control pandemic if only they opened up. It's almost as if people will be shopping and partying like they were before there was coronavirus. The common sense approach would be to minimise infection spread until such time as everyone has been vaccinated, including by vaccines not already in production that that is required, Meantime, mandatory vaccines, masks and social distancing are the best option.

13 hours ago, seajae said:

this is expected with the attitude of many here, like the road laws etc, following the regulations  is all optional especially if it stops you from doing what ever you want to

But the same soaring cases is happening in Europe and elsewhere in the world  so isn't your comment just selective Thai bashing? Basically it could be construed as groundless prejudice  or even racism.

more of the same is not helping the millions in poverty

Omicron is a milder variant that cant be stopped unless everyone self isolates forever

time to live 70%+ vaccinated, ecomony and mental health have equal importance, enough if you want to stay lockdown then up to you and good luck if you can afford it.

US Supreme Court is about to find itself on the wrong side of history and public opinion as it has decided to hear an injunction against the vaccine mandate. Oral arguments are slated for Jan 7 and is likely to be referred to the full bench. By this time, the pandemic will be totally out of control in tidal wave proportions.

 

https://www.thepacker.com/news/industry/supreme-court-hear-covid-vaccine-mandate-arguments-january-7

4 minutes ago, tomyami said:

more of the same is not helping the millions in poverty

Omicron is a milder variant that cant be stopped unless everyone self isolates forever

time to live 70%+ vaccinated, ecomony and mental health have equal importance, enough if you want to stay lockdown then up to you and good luck if you can afford it.

I'll say it again, it's almost as if some people believe that businesses will do well if they open up with out of control virus infections. That's irrational.

 

Airlines are cancelling flights because staff are sick, the same pattern is spreading throughout industry and even sporting teams. That also totally ignores the plight of hospitals where the national guard is being called in because nurses are overwhelmed and burned out.

10 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

What is the fuss about? We are told this new mutation is just as mild as the common cold, right?

 

 

By whom?

From this article I don't see any evidence of Omicron cases "soaring". The figure they give is what we see everyday. Where's the beef?

10 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

What is the fuss about? We are told this new mutation is just as mild as the common cold, right?

No we're not. We are told that it's less severe than Delta, is all.

 

It's still causing hospitalizations and even some deaths, albeit at a lesser rate than previous variants, apparently.

11 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

What is the fuss about? We are told this new mutation is just as mild as the common cold, right?

23 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

By whom?

By others who are also fearful of covid.

 

Just now, rabas said:

By others who are also fearful of covid.

Yet another misinformed poster spreading misinformation who is unable or refuses to cite evidence for misinformed claims.

7 minutes ago, rabas said:

By others who are also fearful of covid.

 

People who are fearful of covid do not dismiss it as a cold so your response  is not logical.

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Yet another misinformed poster spreading misinformation who is unable or refuses to cite evidence for misinformed claims.

Here, read the views of the world's best virologists. Can you spot who is misinformed?

 

 Nature  Journal: Beyond Omicron: what’s next for COVID’s viral evolution

5 minutes ago, rabas said:

Here, read the views of the world's best virologists. Can you spot who is misinformed?

 

 Nature  Journal: Beyond Omicron: what’s next for COVID’s viral evolution

Your claim was that the virus was as mild as the common cold. I asked you to cite evidence to support that. The link you posted makes no such claim. There is also nothing to suggest that the next mutation would not be more dangerous.

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Your claim was that the virus was as mild as the common cold. I asked you to cite evidence to support that. The link you posted makes no such claim. There is also nothing to suggest that the next mutation would not be more dangerous.

Lol. I was criticizing someone else for saying it was mild as a cold.

 

So you read the link. Good!

1 minute ago, rabas said:

Lol. I was criticizing someone else for saying it was mild as a cold.

 

So you read the link. Good!

my apologies, I thought it was your claim lol.

if they're only going to test the critically ill that have friends/family to take them to hospital the figures should remain low

I just seen the reason why the UK is having COVID spikes. They are still allowing Soccer or football games with

huge crowds.  What could possibly go wrong?  Then there is the USA and Canada where some idiots, still

think, that they will lose their freedom somehow, so will not get a vaccination.  I even have a couple of stupid relatives

who are holding out, and do not believe the news on TV, they only believe what they read or watch on their

computers. I do hope that not too many people have to go to the hospitals if they catch COVID, but I believe that

hospitals will be full for a lot of months yet, and if staff are quitting from the extra stress and many deaths that

they all still see, that is going to affect hospitals in the future, when they are all looking for nurses.

  Maybe Omicron and the next variants will be less deadly, and I sure hope so.

17 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

Calls into to question the validity of official figures were met as usual by the deaf ears of "authorities".

Soon everyone will have Omicron, Merry Christmas!

18 hours ago, ukrules said:

There's a lot more on the way.

Sadly, yes. There is now concern in Cambodia (from today's Cambodia media 28 December 2021:-)

 

"Thailand has confirmed that at least three Omicron cases have been found and that 49 people are at ‘high risk’ in a province directly bordering Cambodia (North) which contains an international border crossing into The Kingdom"

"The provincial Covid-19 information centre of Surin province said ............... that 49 people in the province’s Kap Choeng district are at ‘high risk’ of Omicron infection. Kap Choeng district is on the border with Cambodia with the international border crossing ........... of Chong Chom Checkpoint"

 

https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50996360/omicron-found-in-thai-district-bordering-cambodia/

6 hours ago, peter zwart said:

And that is exactly what i love about Thailand. Freedom with a bit of own responsibility.

And the innate ability to deny any responsibility for the consequences of this freedom.  

15 hours ago, thaiman said:

Let it rip!  The faster it spreads the sooner this mess is over with!

Switch all the lights out. It won't go far in the dark. ????

2 minutes ago, mancub said:

And the innate ability to deny any responsibility for the consequences of this freedom.  

May be that goes for you but im dealing fine with it

2 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

But the same soaring cases is happening in Europe and elsewhere in the world  so isn't your comment just selective Thai bashing? Basically it could be construed as groundless prejudice  or even racism.

This thread is, however, concerned with Thailand, therefore the comment has validity without being necessarily selective. If you choose to construe it any other way, that's your prerogative.

14 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

We are told this new mutation is just as mild as the common cold, right?

It may turn out to be mild as you mention:

• Three New Studies Suggest Omicron Triggers Milder Illness Than Delta
• Early assessment of the clinical severity of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant in South Africa
• Omicron less likely to put you in the hospital, studies say
• https://apnews.com/article/omicron-less-likely-to-put-you-in-hospital-ec46b4dbbf55e16b79a3c267ced6a7df
• https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19803368.covid-scotland-omicron-hospital-admissions-lower-expected/

But:

"But scientists warn that it's too soon to dismiss Omicron cases as resembling the common cold, even if the variant winds up being milder on its own. Omicron is still highly transmissible — cases are doubling every two to three days in the US — and hospitalizations are bound to rise the more it spreads.
"Even if Omicron is 'less severe,' people still do end up at the hospital," Jetelina said. "If a virus is moving through 330 million people, that small percentage can add up very quickly."

17 hours ago, thaiman said:

Let it rip!  The faster it spreads the sooner this mess is over with!

That is only a very optimistic theory. The truth is that nobody actually knows what will happen globally after the Omicron wave passes. Thus I consider posts like yours and many similar to be dangerous misinformation.