The Silent, Vaccinated, Impatient Majority

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Sanctions against people spreading misinformation should also be implemented. There isn't an unfettered right to absolute freedom of speech. It's just a matter of having an independent and educated organisation to adjudicate. If we can't have that we can't progress as a society. Misinformation is the biggest challenge we face in tackling intolerance, pandemics and climate change.

Burn the books, censor every internet forum, ban freedom of speech too?

Edited January 31, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[Jeffr2]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Burn the books, censor every internet forum, ban freedom of speech too?

Not necessary.  Just censor those who spread it.  Like is done on this forum.

[ozimoron]

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Burn the books, censor every internet forum, ban freedom of speech too?

Never advocated burning books. It's US Republicans most active on that scene at the moment. All media should be censored for hate speech, antisocial behaviour and misinformation. It is a responsibility of the media owners to do so or be prosecuted for failure to do so. They obviously have a right of appeal. 

 

Would you repeal Section 18C of the Racial Vilification Act? Or the entire Act? No country has an absolute right to freedom of speech. For example, one can't make bomb jokes in an airport. They obviously can't make defamatory statements without proving it's true. Defamation laws exist everywhere. The term "Freedom of speech" is a mantra used by those who would use the right in the worst way to appeal to the worst aspects of human nature and make a claim to be free to do so. Do you not believe that there should be any limits to freedom of speech and if so, what might those limits be in a social context?

 

Most western nations have perfectly adequate and well protected laws permitting free speech.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Burn the books, censor every internet forum, ban freedom of speech too?

Keeping up with the news I see.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/31/2022 at 3:43 PM, ozimoron said:

Do you not believe that there should be any limits to freedom of speech and if so, what might those limits be in a social context?

 

Most western nations have perfectly adequate and well protected laws permitting free speech.

NO. Only speech that threatens public order or might cause injury or death eg shouting fire in a theatre.

If people are offended by speech, that's their problem, IMO.

 

More than that is getting into politics so I'll leave it there.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Keeping up with the news I see.

Always the joker, per usual.

Have a nice day.

[Jeffr2]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

NO. Only speech that threatens public order or might cause injury or death eg shouting fire in a theatre.

If people are offended by speech, that's their problem, IMO.

 

More than that is getting into politics so I'll leave it there.

Shouting fire in a theatre isn't illegal.  It's a saying used by those for fall for the free speech/first amendment misinformation.

[Chomper Higgot]

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

NO. Only speech that threatens public order or might cause injury or death eg shouting fire in a theatre.

If people are offended by speech, that's their problem, IMO.

 

More than that is getting into politics so I'll leave it there.

Agree.

 

Misinformation on vaccines and  COVID absolutely fits the bill for causing injury and death to others,

 

Misinformation is a direct cause of people refusing vaccines and not following public health advice. 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Agree.

 

Misinformation on vaccines and  COVID absolutely fits the bill for causing injury and death to others,

 

Misinformation is a direct cause of people refusing vaccines and not following public health advice. 

............and dying......

[Jeffr2]

Perhaps those pushing for "Freedom of Speech" should read up on it.  It's far from an absolute right, especially when it comes to the health and welfare of others.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

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The version of Article 19 in the ICCPR later amends this by stating that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" and may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "[f]or respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "[f]or the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of public health or morals."^[3]

 

[Saanim]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Perhaps those pushing for "Freedom of Speech" should read up on it.  It's far from an absolute right, especially when it comes to the health and welfare of others.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

 

Does it include also Freedom on Information Act?

[onthedarkside]

We're getting a bit far afield from the topic of vaccines and the vaccinated/unvaccinated here.

 

For further posting, let's try to bring the topic back to its original focus. Thank you!

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/1/2022 at 4:34 PM, Jeffr2 said:

Shouting fire in a theatre isn't illegal.  It's a saying used by those for fall for the free speech/first amendment misinformation.

If so it should be.

 

Post edited due to previous post.

Edited February 2, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/1/2022 at 4:46 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Agree.

 

Misinformation on vaccines and  COVID absolutely fits the bill for causing injury and death to others,

 

Misinformation is a direct cause of people refusing vaccines and not following public health advice. 

I didn't refuse pfizer because of misinformation, whatever that may be, but from what I researched on reputable sites about side effects. To be clear, side effects are real, and factual.

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I didn't refuse pfizer because of misinformation, whatever that may be, but from what I researched on reputable sites about side effects. To be clear, side effects are real, and factual.

All vaccines have side effects.  Heck, for me, even taking vitamins upsets my stomach.

 

What vaccine did you get?

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

All vaccines have side effects.  Heck, for me, even taking vitamins upsets my stomach.

 

What vaccine did you get?

One that wasn't pfizer and didn't cause any side effects to me- hint, it wasn't an mRNA one.

I know someone that had serious side effects from pfizer.

Save the usual arguments about it, as I have been double vaxxed. I'd rather have been tested weekly though.

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

One that wasn't pfizer and didn't cause any side effects to me- hint, it wasn't an mRNA one.

I know someone that had serious side effects from pfizer.

Save the usual arguments about it, as I have been double vaxxed. I'd rather have been tested weekly though.

That leaves either AZ, which has had many side effects reported also, or a Chinese one.  Or, I guess, Russian.  Bizarre.

 

P.S. I don't know anyone who's had side effects from Pfizer.  Other than a bit under the weather for a day, or a sore arm.  And i know hundreds personally who've gotten the jab.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Jeffr2

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

All vaccines have side effects.  Heck, for me, even taking vitamins upsets my stomach.

 

What vaccine did you get?

He won’t tell you, doing so would restrict his ability to obfuscate.

 

The ‘side effects’ argument being an example, side effects are something others risked, while  his mystery vaccines had zero side effects, or at least nobody can point them out.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I didn't refuse pfizer because of misinformation, whatever that may be, but from what I researched on reputable sites about side effects. To be clear, side effects are real, and factual.

Which fails to address my point:

 

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Misinformation on vaccines and  COVID absolutely fits the bill for causing injury and death to others,

 

Misinformation is a direct cause of people refusing vaccines and not following public health advice. ”

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Which fails to address my point:

 

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Misinformation on vaccines and  COVID absolutely fits the bill for causing injury and death to others,

 

Misinformation is a direct cause of people refusing vaccines and not following public health advice. ”

How can factual information be "misinformation  " ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

An extremely miniscule event. Especially compared to the billions of jabs that have been given. And that member is only worried about mRNA vaccines. Not the others. Which have about the same number of reported events. If not more. Blood clots ring a bell?

Some people would prefer to take their chances with the virus , rather than talking their chances with a vaccine .

  Its also been reported that natural immunity is better than a vaccine 

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people would prefer to take their chances with the virus , rather than talking their chances with a vaccine .

  Its also been reported that natural immunity is better than a vaccine 

It's not been reported that natural immunity is better than the vaccine. Unless you read the fake news media outlets.

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16 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people would prefer to take their chances with the virus , rather than talking their chances with a vaccine .

  Its also been reported that natural immunity is better than a vaccine 

I get it. The best way not to get covid is to get covid.

[Bkk Brian]

34 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people would prefer to take their chances with the virus , rather than talking their chances with a vaccine .

  Its also been reported that natural immunity is better than a vaccine 

"protection afforded by previous infections against reinfection by Omicron may be as low as 19 per cent."

[Jeffr2]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

"protection afforded by previous infections against reinfection by Omicron may be as low as 19 per cent."

Perhaps some should find new sources for their information. LOL

[Chomper Higgot]

36 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people would prefer to take their chances with the virus , rather than talking their chances with a vaccine .

  Its also been reported that natural immunity is better than a vaccine 

No credible source reports natural immunity is better than a vaccine, hence your failure to provide a link.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

No credible source reports natural immunity is better than a vaccine, hence your failure to provide a link.

You didn't ask for one 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, anything you disagree with is from a "fake news site"

Provide links and we’ll see where you are getting your ‘claims’ from.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

You didn't ask for one 

It’s not me that needs to back up the claims you make.

[JustAnotherHun]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No credible source reports natural immunity is better than a vaccine, hence your failure to provide a link.

And what's a credible source decides who? It must be you, I guess