2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

All vaccines have side effects.  Heck, for me, even taking vitamins upsets my stomach.

 

What vaccine did you get?

He won’t tell you, doing so would restrict his ability to obfuscate.

 

The ‘side effects’ argument being an example, side effects are something others risked, while  his mystery vaccines had zero side effects, or at least nobody can point them out.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I didn't refuse pfizer because of misinformation, whatever that may be, but from what I researched on reputable sites about side effects. To be clear, side effects are real, and factual.

Which fails to address my point:

 

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Misinformation on vaccines and  COVID absolutely fits the bill for causing injury and death to others,

 

Misinformation is a direct cause of people refusing vaccines and not following public health advice. ”

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Which fails to address my point:

 

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Misinformation on vaccines and  COVID absolutely fits the bill for causing injury and death to others,

 

Misinformation is a direct cause of people refusing vaccines and not following public health advice. ”

How can factual information be "misinformation  " ?

4 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

An extremely miniscule event. Especially compared to the billions of jabs that have been given. And that member is only worried about mRNA vaccines. Not the others. Which have about the same number of reported events. If not more. Blood clots ring a bell?

Some people would prefer to take their chances with the virus , rather than talking their chances with a vaccine .

  Its also been reported that natural immunity is better than a vaccine 

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people would prefer to take their chances with the virus , rather than talking their chances with a vaccine .

  Its also been reported that natural immunity is better than a vaccine 

It's not been reported that natural immunity is better than the vaccine. Unless you read the fake news media outlets.

16 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people would prefer to take their chances with the virus , rather than talking their chances with a vaccine .

  Its also been reported that natural immunity is better than a vaccine 

I get it. The best way not to get covid is to get covid.

34 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people would prefer to take their chances with the virus , rather than talking their chances with a vaccine .

  Its also been reported that natural immunity is better than a vaccine 

"protection afforded by previous infections against reinfection by Omicron may be as low as 19 per cent."

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

"protection afforded by previous infections against reinfection by Omicron may be as low as 19 per cent."

Perhaps some should find new sources for their information. LOL

36 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people would prefer to take their chances with the virus , rather than talking their chances with a vaccine .

  Its also been reported that natural immunity is better than a vaccine 

No credible source reports natural immunity is better than a vaccine, hence your failure to provide a link.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

No credible source reports natural immunity is better than a vaccine, hence your failure to provide a link.

You didn't ask for one 

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, anything you disagree with is from a "fake news site"

Provide links and we’ll see where you are getting your ‘claims’ from.

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

You didn't ask for one 

It’s not me that needs to back up the claims you make.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No credible source reports natural immunity is better than a vaccine, hence your failure to provide a link.

And what's a credible source decides who? It must be you, I guess

6 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

And what's a credible source decides who? It must be you, I guess

Not at all.

 

A peer reviewed medical or scientific journal would do nicely.

 

 

On 1/18/2022 at 8:18 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

The unvaccinated are significantly more likely to become seriously ill, hospitalized or die.

Do you mean the TINY MINORITY of high-risk unvaccinated folks with underlying HEALTH conditions are significantly more likely to become seriously ill, hospitalized, or die? Or, are you suggesting that anyone... whatever their age, weight, physical condition, and health status... are significantly more likely to become seriously ill, hospitalized, or die if they're unvaccinated? I've never quite understood the broad use of "The Unvaccinated," so I'm open to being educated.  

Thank you.

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Provide links and we’ll see where you are getting your ‘claims’ from.

My link has already been labeled as being fake news , no point in posting it as its already been judged as being fake 

A post with false or misleading information and troll posts reported and removed.   

 

CDC, January 28, 2022

 

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Before Delta became the predominant variant in June, case rates were higher among persons who survived a previous infection than persons who were vaccinated alone. By early October, persons who survived a previous infection had lower case rates than persons who were vaccinated alone.

 

*Deleted post edited out*

 

Well, if you want to risk waiting till you get natural immunity, go right ahead. I'm triple vaccinated now with AZ, Pfizer and Moderna. This week I got notifications on my check in app from virtually everywhere I checked in last week. Tonight I tested negative on a saliva RAT test.

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Well, if you want to risk waiting till you get natural immunity, go right ahead. I'm triple vaccinated now with AZ, Pfizer and Moderna. This week I got notifications on my check in app from virtually everywhere I checked in last week. Tonight I tested negative on a saliva RAT test.

I have had no vaccines and haven't yet been tested at all.

When is your next booster due ?

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have had no vaccines and haven't yet been tested at all.

When is your next booster due ?

I guess when there is an omicron specific vaccine available, otherwise I'm fully vacinated now. I do understand that protection against infection may wane but protection against serious illness remains largely intact. That's the main metric as far as I'm concerned.

 

"Protection against infection and death during the Delta-predominant period and against infection during Omicron emergence were higher among booster vaccine dose recipients, especially among persons aged 50–64 and ≥65 years."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

My link has already been labeled as being fake news , no point in posting it as its already been judged as being fake 

Hey Chomper, you laughed at that post .

Maybe do haven't yet scrolled down/up to where I posted the report .

You will stop laughing when you read the report .

Go on, give this post a laugh as well 

44 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

!Dr. Benjamin Silk of the CDC told the media last week, “Before the Delta variant, COVID-19 vaccination resulted in better protection against a subsequent infection than surviving a previous infection.”

“When looking at the summer and the fall of 2021, when Delta became the dominant in this country, however, surviving a previous infection now provided greater protection against subsequent infection than vaccination,” he added."

 

 

https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/natural-immunity-gets-another-boost-from-two-new-u-s-studies/

 

 

From your hypertext link above:

 

"Although the epidemiology of COVID-19 might change as new variants emerge, vaccination remains the safest strategy for averting future SARS-CoV-2 infections, hospitalizations, long-term sequelae, and death,"

“This is the figure people need to understand – the unvaccinated population only makes up about 8 per cent of all eligible Queenslanders, but currently they’re making up between 20 and 30 per cent of our deaths.

 

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/minister-slams-misinformation-on-unvaccinated-covid-19-deaths-20220128-p59s1t.html

Off-topic, troll posts and replies removed.  Please keep it civil.

 

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Hey Chomper, you laughed at that post .

Maybe do haven't yet scrolled down/up to where I posted the report .

You will stop laughing when you read the report .

Go on, give this post a laugh as well 

I’m still laughing at this, from your linked report:

 

previous SARS-CoV-2 infection also confers protection against severe outcomes in the event of reinfection.” 

 

Which ignores the fact that the first infection comes with a significant risk of severe outcomes.

 

For the unvaccinated, the situation is very different. Omicron is still severe enough that it will lead to debilitating illness and death for many unvaccinated people.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/briefing/omicron-deaths-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated.html

 

 

53 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

CDC, January 28, 2022

Before Delta became the predominant variant in June, case rates were higher among persons who survived a previous infection than persons who were vaccinated alone. By early October, persons who survived a previous infection had lower case rates than persons who were vaccinated alone.

 

I think it's important to understand that the small differences may occur for a reason.  First, this looks at those that survived an infection and those are usually people who are younger and healthier than those who did not survive an infection.  

 

The difference in the rates is small.  There is no doubt that having been infected and surviving (without a lot of complications) does confer immunity.  Many places treat a verified previous infection in the same way they do a vaccinated person.   

 

Natural immunity fades the same way as antibodies from vaccinated people.  

The simple numbers every government should use to fight anti-vaccine misinformation

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/ng-interactive/2022/jan/28/the-simple-numbers-every-government-should-use-to-fight-anti-vaccine-misinformation

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m still laughing at this, from your linked report:

 

 

You keep laughing at my posts , its becoming rather rude .

Either stop laughing at my posts or don't talk to me anymore 

Fair enough ?