Denied non-O covid extension Thai child stay with me. Ombudsman? Child rights?

[Fert]

Married since 2015. The child is 6 years old. Multi-entry visa. Yesterday they made me illegal for the first time in years. My basic income and conditions have not changed and were legal for starting a family and having a child. Now they have made all this illegal. It is necessary to declare infringement of the rights of the child against the government. The Ombudsman? Protecting children's rights?

[tonray]

2 minutes ago, Fert said:

Now they have made all this illegal.

What conditions did they say you did not meet this time around ?

[JustAnotherHun]

Ombudsman? Children's rights?

You are in Thailand!

For what reason did they make you "illegal"? Just for fun?

[Gottfrid]

I guess you have to explain a little bit more. In what way are you declaring income, and how and why are they stating it is illegal?

[DrJack54]

OP, your not clear.

I assume you have a ME visa based on marriage. One year validity? 

That requires you to exit Thailand every 3 months? 

You need to outline your situation exactly.

You could have obtained an extension based on marriage. 

When does your current permission of stay end..

Forget the human rights idea.

There are requirements to live in Thailand. 

Even married, parent etc... you still on temporary permission of stay. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by DrJack54

[ubonjoe]

There is no entitlement to get the covid 19 extensions due to you having a Thai child and/or being married to a Thai.

Anybody that entered on a non immigrant visa cannot get them now. New rules done by immigration.

I assume you have already used you one 60 day extension to visit your wife or child since you last entry to the country.

If you want to stay longer you should apply for a one year extension of stay based upon marriage to Thai or for being the parent of one. You need to have 400k baht in a Thai bank for 2 months or proof of 40k baht income.

[Fert]

I'll explain. It's easy. The multi-entry visa did not require the declaration of income, since 90 days of stay is the border of automatic residence in many countries (maybe all over the world?) . As soon as you become a resident, they hang income declarations and other things on you. Before the pandemic, the income of 1200-1500 USD was enough for the birth of a child. All basic functions work the same way as long-stay visas (resident). When they closed the borders and created quarantines, the income of 1200-1500 USD turned out to be a little insufficient for border runs. And there is a child. He's already living. I believe that depriving a child of one parent and putting him in prison on the basis of a pandemic is psychopathic nonsense

[Lite Beer]

You are in Thailand.

What has USD got to do with it?

Maybe I am a bit thick but I cannot make any sense of your post.

 

If you are asking about a 12 month extension you will need 400,000 in the bank or 40,000 monthly income.

Edited February 3, 2022 by Lite Beer

[ubonjoe]

I understand your problem and situation. Sad to say but you are not the one. Many people with multiple entry non-o visas have the same problem as you now.

Many have managed to meet the requirements to apply for a one year extension since the covid 19 pandemic started. I have a friend that started doing transfers to meet 40k baht income option and has applied for his extension now.

[DrJack54]

13 minutes ago, Fert said:

I believe that depriving a child of one parent and putting him in prison on the basis of a pandemic is psychopathic nonsense

That is nonsense.

So as I guessed in earlier post you had a multi entry visa based on marriage valid for one year and requires you to exit every 90 days.

With borders closed that is not possible.

You (most likely) have been on covid extensions?

That is no longer an option.

You could obtain a 12 month extension based on marriage.

That requires 400k in Thai bank account seasoned for two months.

You could apply for 60 day extension to visit wife.

That would buy time and hopefully a land border might open by then.

Also buy time to season the 400k to obtain 12 month extension. (Best option) 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by DrJack54

[Fert]

See. A basic foundation is used everywhere. If you are ill, you need to establish the cause (basis) of the disease, and not treat the symptoms. If there is a crime, say murder, then the motives are established. Maybe it's self-defense or vice versa, premeditated and planned murder. The types of punishments are completely different. Just like the treatment of diseases is completely different - either you eliminate the cause of the disease, or you treat the symptoms. So, the reason for depriving a child of a parent is the closure of borders due to a pandemic. I consider this an absolutely inadequate excuse, because I intend to protect the rights of the child.

[MrJ2U]

10 minutes ago, Fert said:

I'll explain. It's easy. The multi-entry visa did not require the declaration of income, since 90 days of stay is the border of automatic residence in many countries (maybe all over the world?) . As soon as you become a resident, they hang income declarations and other things on you. Before the pandemic, the income of 1200-1500 USD was enough for the birth of a child. All basic functions work the same way as long-stay visas (resident). When they closed the borders and created quarantines, the income of 1200-1500 USD turned out to be a little insufficient for border runs. And there is a child. He's already living. I believe that depriving a child of one parent and putting him in prison on the basis of a pandemic is psychopathic nonsense

 

I think you should talk with an agent.

 

 

 

[Fert]

If the parents have the same problem, I propose to act collectively against the psychopaths in power

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, Fert said:

. I consider this an absolutely inadequate excuse, because I intend to protect the rights of the child

Put 400k in Thai bank and obtain 12 month extension.

That is taking care of child.

 

[thai006]

Time to leave Thailand so 

[Boomer6969]

14 minutes ago, Fert said:

If the parents have the same problem, I propose to act collectively against the psychopaths in power

That would be a perfect start in Thailand. It could also lead to an unpleasant long term stay...

 

Cool down and try to understand what the moderator is saying, weed out other advice. 

[RJRS1301]

28 minutes ago, Fert said:

See. A basic foundation is used everywhere. If you are ill, you need to establish the cause (basis) of the disease, and not treat the symptoms. If there is a crime, say murder, then the motives are established. Maybe it's self-defense or vice versa, premeditated and planned murder. The types of punishments are completely different. Just like the treatment of diseases is completely different - either you eliminate the cause of the disease, or you treat the symptoms. So, the reason for depriving a child of a parent is the closure of borders due to a pandemic. I consider this an absolutely inadequate excuse, because I intend to protect the rights of the child.

Please listen to ubonjoe and his knowledge is greater than most of us here on immigration/visa matters.

Your anger is understanble, however human rights and immigration/visa matters do not come together here in Thailand and visa and extentions are a complex issue and can vary from office to office. Changes have occurred everywhere since Covid19 came

 

[Fert]

The fact that a state of emergency exists, covid extensions are applied, but canceled in relation to the parents of Thai children - this goes beyond the logic of normal people.

 

[blackcab]

29 minutes ago, Fert said:

If the parents have the same problem, I propose to act collectively against the psychopaths in power

 

You need to start working with the system, not wasting your time fighting it.

 

Either provide proof of funds in a Thai bank or leave the country, get the appropriate visa and re-enter.

 

Option 3 is talk to an agent.

[Fert]

Changes have taken place everywhere because of the pandemic. But not to such an extent that, under equal conditions, it would threaten prison, deportation and a blacklist. Which actually turns into deprivation of parental rights and orphanhood of a child. They just got used to blurring everything with little things, not accepting the reason and the result.

[tonray]

4 minutes ago, Fert said:

The fact that a state of emergency exists, covid extensions are applied, but canceled in relation to the parents of Thai children - this goes beyond the logic of normal people.

 

Once Covid extensions are terminated for every class of visa (coming at some point) you would be at the same dilemma. Having not planned for that eventuality, your option now is proof of funds -or- contacting an agent. Your frustration is  understandable, but if you want to stay in the country...get on it. Other option is to leave temporarily and return with Visa exempt (if qualified) which will give you time to sort out the financials.

[Fert]

I would be grateful if someone could help draft a statement or a lawsuit against the government. I don't speak English very well and use a translator. The basis is the actual deprivation of a Thai child of an official parent on the basis of conditions that were created by the government this month.. The actual obstruction of the extension of the conditions on the basis of which the child was born and is still growing. The child was born in an official marriage, the parents are officially recorded in the birth certificate. There were no requirements for owning 400,000 baht on the account. Due to the fact that the borders were closed, the movement between the countries has sharply risen in price, the requirements for updating visas every 3 months have become financially impossible. I demand either to return the previous conditions for the child, or to recognize such a category of children as illegitimate, to invalidate the birth certificate, since financial evidence of 400,000 was not provided. And to introduce this requirement for the birth of children in Thailand with one foreign parent. To recognize that without 400,000 baht in the account, a foreign parent will not be considered a parent. This requirement should be introduced simultaneously with the termination of extensions of covid visas for this category of people and will continue until the next changes. To make everything clear and understandable. In general terms, the meaning is clear, if they do something that is recognized as illegal, then those laws that allowed them to do it legally should be repealed. And they will have to break their heads how they are going to retroactively cancel the birth of children and the duties of parents.

[lemonwaterjoe]

5 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

 

I think you should talk with an agent.

 

 

 

After reading the following posts by him maybe also with a doctor. Very confusing what the thread starter is saying here.

I would also suggest to hire an agent and let him deal and especially communicate with the officials to get things sorted.

[GrandPapillon]

37 minutes ago, Fert said:

I would be grateful if someone could help draft a statement or a lawsuit against the government. I don't speak English very well and use a translator. The basis is the actual deprivation of a Thai child of an official parent on the basis of conditions that were created by the government

you are dreaming ????

[HashBrownHarry]

57 minutes ago, Fert said:

I would be grateful if someone could help draft a statement or a lawsuit against the government.

Comedy gold.

[RJRS1301]

I feel the man is hurting, confused, and angry.

I hope a person who speaks his native tongue can assist him, perhaps his own Embassy can supoort him to make some good decisions about the welfare of his child and his visa/extension to stay situation.

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by RJRS1301

[DrJack54]

14 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

I feel the man is hurting, confused, and angry.

In addition he is playing the victim card.

 

Clearly never considered plan B of obtaining 12 month extension based on marriage.

In fact hasn't even mentioned it along with explanation of why it wouldn't work. Lack of finances or whatever.

 

However his solution is to take class action against Thai Gov.

<deleted>.

 

Self reassessment is overdue. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by DrJack54

[Caldera]

1 hour ago, Fert said:

I would be grateful if someone could help draft a statement or a lawsuit against the government. I don't speak English very well and use a translator.

That doesn't make any sense, considering that such a (futile, IMHO) lawsuit would need to be filed in a Thai court of law, where English is of no use whatsoever. 

[RJRS1301]

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

In addition he is playing the victim card.

 

Clearly never considered plan B of obtaining 12 month extension based on marriage.

In fact hasn't even mentioned it along with explanation of why it wouldn't work. Lack of finances or whatever.

 

However his solution is to take class action against Thai Gov.

<deleted>.

 

Self reassessment is overdue. 

I have a distinct feeling that even attemtping to "take action" while not having a valid extension to stay, will be detrimental to a postive outcome. He will become illegally in the country with less "rights" than he has previously enjoyed, even precariously.

I feel the soup kitchen in Immigration Detention will have a new detainee

 

 

[SimonRoget]

Somebody will never get it. The name of game : Kep laeow