Anutin: Thailand's handling of the pandemic "best in the world"

[koratkarlos]

I witnessed a disturbing side of Thailand during my recent visit to Issan.  My wife's mom's brother is dying.  The doctor sent him home basically giving up on the man.  The sick man was not diagnosed. The man lays in bed, legs paralyzed, unable to eat or drink water and in great pain.  No IV or pain medicine for this man.  Rather inhumane.  He should go in dignity.  So Mr. Anutin, Health Minister, is this "best in the world" treatment.  The real issue is the have and have nots.  If you are a have COVID treatment may have been OK.  But not for the rest of Thais and dirty farangs.

[Pinot]

I've always felt that I was in the best country in the world for handling covid. Thais wear masks. The get inoculated if they can. There isn't any of this antivaxxer nonsense. Prayuth has done a great job of leading Thailand through this. 

 

But you guys... This was a pretty good setup for the haters. Really, the hatred on the forum is amazing. 

 

Yeah, let's let Yingluck run the country again. The last democratically elected PM ran the country into anarchy. She was a moron. I see no viable alternative to the current government that's doing an incredible job. 

 

I just imagine most of you rolling onto your computers after another night of overindulgence and unloading on Thailand and everything else under the sun with more vitriol than a normal pre-alzhimer should have. Some of you need help.  

[billd766]

10 hours ago, pomchop said:

I miss Taksin....at least he was competent and got elected rather than seizing power via a coup.

Not only was he elected, he completed his first 4 year term  as PM and won the next election as well. The only elected PM ever to do so in Thailand.

[Cherrytreeview]

12 minutes ago, Pinot said:

I've always felt that I was in the best country in the world for handling covid. Thais wear masks. The get inoculated if they can. There isn't any of this antivaxxer nonsense. Prayuth has done a great job of leading Thailand through this. 

 

But you guys... This was a pretty good setup for the haters. Really, the hatred on the forum is amazing. 

 

Yeah, let's let Yingluck run the country again. The last democratically elected PM ran the country into anarchy. She was a moron. I see no viable alternative to the current government that's doing an incredible job. 

 

I just imagine most of you rolling onto your computers after another night of overindulgence and unloading on Thailand and everything else under the sun with more vitriol than a normal pre-alzhimer should have. Some of you need help.  

Sorry you can't handle the truth.

Thailand's figures are getting worse and a lot of us live in developed countries that don't have any restrictions.

It's pretty obvious who's through the other side of covid and who's not.

As for doing an incredible job, doubt the residents of Isaan would agree, knee deep in debt with no help from a government watching over the most unequal distribution of wealth in SE Asia.

As for the juvenile insults, you just proved you lost.

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Pinot said:

I see no viable alternative to the current government that's doing an incredible job. 

Thanks made my night. Really I mean it. I haven't laughed so much all day.???? 

[cncltd1973]

10 hours ago, khunPer said:

When looking at facts - i.e. number of deaths with Covid-19 per million - is he actually fairly correct, even some may not appreciate it.

 

Thailand has 322 deaths per million population as per today.

 

Lets compare with death per million in some major Western countries...

Canada: 940

France: 2.083

Germany: 1,445

Italy: 2,530

Sweden: 1,648

Switzerland: 1,498

UK: 2,342

USA: 2,868

and the World in average: 756

 

If tests per million had any significant value, then Denmark would be number one in the World, no other country comes near to the number of Danish's tests with 10,441,550 tests taken per million inhabitants; number two on the list is Italy with only 2,975,910 tests per million. For Denmark that number means that whole population have been tested more than 10 times, yet 10-20 percent of the population have never been near a test-site.

 

So how well has Denmark then performed during the pandemic in the figure that matters, namely number of deaths per million?
Denmark should be outstanding, if tests has major protection value, but unfortunately the fact is 730 death per million population.

 

Note that Thailand - number 146 down the list in Covid-tests per million - has only 322 death per million population.

my wife's niece is a Dr in Bangkok and told us that when people were dropping like flies of covid complications, they were instructed to record the deaths by their underlying disease, e.i. diabetes, emphysema or whatever else they had, anything but covid. so the only number you can trust from this administration is the overall deaths compared to any other year - which I don't think they will publish! consider Thailand in the same category as China when it comes to transparency... they will tell you what they want you to know.

if you believe their covid numbers, you should also believe their tourism numbers, it's all generated to make them look successful????

[billd766]

8 hours ago, Saanim said:

A misinformation - it should be deleted...

Then prove him wrong using provable facts and figures plus the links to go with them.

[Scott]

An off-topic post with an unsubstantiated video source has been reported and removed.

 

[retayl]

Predictable reaction from the posters on here but as someone staying here during the first 4 months of 2020 I thought the Thai governments initial response in comparison to Europe & US was exemplary - mandated mask wearing,  early club & bars shutdown, temperature taking at shops and on the highways, stopping incoming flights etc. However I have to accept that the pandemic management from 2021 to date has been an absolute clusterf##k. What can you say - TIT!

[khunPer]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why? To make a comparison with Denmark and Thailand for flu then you can only do that if you have Thailands numbers as well. Otherwise its pure speculation. Try some facts next time.

Please read the comments before you reply, you don't seems to know what you are replying to.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Please read the comments before you reply, you don't seems to know what you are replying to.

Done that, reply the same, next?

[Nickelbeer]

I would not expect Anutin to say otherwise. Nice that Thailand is "best in the world" in SOMETHING.

[khunPer]

1 hour ago, Cherrytreeview said:

Your just deflecting.

There was hardly any influenza in the UK because of restrictions.

You believe Thailand's published facts, most of us think their incomplete BS.

Live in your fantasy world.

Thailand ranked third to last.

Absymal vaccine rollout and. economic support 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-cases-covid-england-phe-latest-b1805124.html

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thailand-ranked-3rd-to-last-worldwide-on-covid-19-handling

I presume this thread is about Covid-19; I got no idea why influenza in UK comes into the picture?

 

The Thaiger-articles is from July last year with main focus on vaccine rollout, it's little outdated now.

 

Number of tests does not show the impact of Covid-19. Serious cases in hospital, death and excess mortality rate shows that. However, a high rate of tests might help preventing spread of virus, but so might other precautions like closed borders.

 

Accumulated test rate per 1,000 people...

 

 

Excess deaths per 100,000 people for same countries...

 

Thailand should do extremely bad here, if tests are the important factor.

 

So let's look compare with Thailand's neighbors and Australia, that has performed quite well, but with both high test rate and closed borders...

And excess deaths per 100,000 people for same countries, please note it's not only Thailand, which has lower deaths than UK that has excess death over 200 (see above graph)...

 

My point in my first comment is that even if some may not fancy khun Anutin - and even he sometimes makes some odd statements - then statistics talks in his favor here, Thailand has not performed that bad during the Covid-pandemic, when it comes to health and deaths...????

[ChC1]

5 hours ago, Surasak said:

A-nu-Tin = an empty vessel makes the most noise. Can't say fairer than that.

No it is A-nut-in

[Cherrytreeview]

Just now, khunPer said:

I presume this thread is about Covid-19; I got no idea why influenza in UK comes into the picture?

 

The Thaiger-articles is from July last year with main focus on vaccine rollout, it's little outdated now.

 

Number of tests does not show the impact of Covid-19. Serious cases in hospital, death and excess mortality rate shows that. However, a high rate of tests might help preventing spread of virus, but so might other precautions like closed borders.

 

Accumulated test rate per 1,000 people...

 

 

Excess deaths per 100,000 people for same countries...

 

Thailand should do extremely bad here, if tests are the important factor.

 

So let's look compare with Thailand's neighbors and Australia, that has performed quite well, but with both high test rate and closed borders...

And excess deaths per 100,000 people for same countries, please note it's not only Thailand, which has lower deaths than UK that has excess death over 200 (see above graph)...

 

My point in my first comment is that even if some may not fancy khun Anutin - and even he sometimes makes some odd statements - then statistics talks in his favor here, Thailand has not performed that bad during the Covid-pandemic, when it comes to health and deaths...????

Closed borders are an irrelevance when a virus is wide spread within a country, just as it is in Thailand.

Think horse, stable door, bolted.

You keep repeating Thailand's numbers but you don't seem to understand that i think they are total and utter nonsense.

If you really do believe Thailand's numbers, then real hospitalisations have trebled in the last few months.

A poster has detailed this on the Thailand daily covid thread.

Every aspect of Thailand's response since Delta first surfaced has been pretty much useless.

Sorry.

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, khunPer said:

I presume this thread is about Covid-19; I got no idea why influenza in UK comes into the picture?

 

The Thaiger-articles is from July last year with main focus on vaccine rollout, it's little outdated now.

 

Number of tests does not show the impact of Covid-19. Serious cases in hospital, death and excess mortality rate shows that. However, a high rate of tests might help preventing spread of virus, but so might other precautions like closed borders.

 

Accumulated test rate per 1,000 people...

 

 

Excess deaths per 100,000 people for same countries...

 

Thailand should do extremely bad here, if tests are the important factor.

 

So let's look compare with Thailand's neighbors and Australia, that has performed quite well, but with both high test rate and closed borders...

And excess deaths per 100,000 people for same countries, please note it's not only Thailand, which has lower deaths than UK that has excess death over 200 (see above graph)...

 

My point in my first comment is that even if some may not fancy khun Anutin - and even he sometimes makes some odd statements - then statistics talks in his favor here, Thailand has not performed that bad during the Covid-pandemic, when it comes to health and deaths...????

Statistics which are not ever truly reported correctly as they do not test on a widescale basis, and instead chose to just bubble and seal migrant worker camps, canneries, and then entire condominium complexes as well as towns by using razor wire to keep all inside.  The excess deaths were reported in 2020 at the middle of July and then those reports disappeared and the MOPH locked their database away from the public.  Tell us again how a country like the UK which is very transparent with their stats as well as vaccinations has performed worse than Thailand when this country does not test widely and the vaccine rollout still is far behind.  Of course to test here you must also pay to be tested whereas in other countries the testing is free if your ill.  Home tests are of course needed to be purchased by all and someone making 300 to 400 baht a day can not afford to spend a days wages for a test that if positive will incur them a loss of income as they will need to isolate.  Folks that are testing at home are also not truly reporting their positivity and just keep on working as there is no safety net for them if they do not work.........

[khunPer]

2 hours ago, candide said:

As everyone knows, there was nearly no pandemic in Thailand in 2020, for unknown reason (possibly some form of immunity acquired from related CVs in SEA), so comparing cumulative numbers since 2020 is irrelevant.

Or it's closed borders that matters, look at New Zealand and Australia, and Thailand's neighbors Cambodia and Vietnam, they also performed well.

 

Thailand had the first reported Covid case outside China back in January 2020 and closed the borders in March. It was people from outside that brought the new stems of Covid in from July  and mainly migrant workers at the end of 2020.

 

It's indeed the total numbers that show the result of a pandemic.

[ThailandRyan]

10 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Or it's closed borders that matters, look at New Zealand and Australia, and Thailand's neighbors Cambodia and Vietnam, they also performed well.

 

Thailand had the first reported Covid case outside China back in January 2020 and closed the borders in March. It was people from outside that brought the new stems of Covid in from July  and mainly migrant workers at the end of 2020.

 

It's indeed the total numbers that show the result of a pandemic.

Total numbers which many of us believe are BS as they are not testing en-mass or in all provinces, just like many in the outer provinces have not been vaccinated as of yet.  This Government felt they needed to save tourism and so vaccinated those Tourist areas so they could open back up.  However, the virus and its mutations still arrived and it was not just from outsiders coming into Thailand.  Think Delta and the Thonglor Cluster or before that the original Lumpini Boxing cluster.  To add to that the Government allowed Songkran travel in 2021 which spread Delta to the masses.  Tell us again how that was a good idea if as you say they did so well, especially since mass vaccinations had not even started yet.

[khunPer]

2 hours ago, candide said:

This is not true. I have provided the graph and the source in a previous post. Since April 2021, the start of the pandemic, the number of excess deaths compared to 2020 is around the triple of the official number of Covid deaths during the same period.

Please note my wording "...there is not a significant higher number recorded of excess deaths in Thailand, while other countries have, for example USA and Italy." It's not a comparison to reported number of Covid deaths in Thailand, but the accumulated number of excess deaths per 100,000 people.

[Cherrytreeview]

4 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Or it's closed borders that matters, look at New Zealand and Australia, and Thailand's neighbors Cambodia and Vietnam, they also performed well.

 

Thailand had the first reported Covid case outside China back in January 2020 and closed the borders in March. It was people from outside that brought the new stems of Covid in from July  and mainly migrant workers at the end of 2020.

 

It's indeed the total numbers that show the result of a pandemic.

Even in your fantasy world of Thai success real hospitalisations have quadrupled since the start of the year.

Your idea of success is pretty warped.

 

 

[khunPer]

10 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:

Closed borders are an irrelevance when a virus is wide spread within a country, just as it is in Thailand.

Think horse, stable door, bolted.

You keep repeating Thailand's numbers but you don't seem to understand that i think they are total and utter nonsense.

If you really do believe Thailand's numbers, then real hospitalisations have trebled in the last few months.

A poster has detailed this on the Thailand daily covid thread.

Every aspect of Thailand's response since Delta first surfaced has been pretty much useless.

Sorry.

You are welcome to think...????

[Cherrytreeview]

1 minute ago, khunPer said:

You are welcome to think...????

You don't think that's why your posting misinformation masquerading as facts.

Thailand's pandemic response has been a shambles.

 

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, khunPer said:

I presume this thread is about Covid-19; I got no idea why influenza in UK comes into the picture?

 

The Thaiger-articles is from July last year with main focus on vaccine rollout, it's little outdated now.

 

Number of tests does not show the impact of Covid-19. Serious cases in hospital, death and excess mortality rate shows that. However, a high rate of tests might help preventing spread of virus, but so might other precautions like closed borders.

 

Accumulated test rate per 1,000 people...

 

 

Excess deaths per 100,000 people for same countries...

 

Thailand should do extremely bad here, if tests are the important factor.

 

So let's look compare with Thailand's neighbors and Australia, that has performed quite well, but with both high test rate and closed borders...

And excess deaths per 100,000 people for same countries, please note it's not only Thailand, which has lower deaths than UK that has excess death over 200 (see above graph)...

 

My point in my first comment is that even if some may not fancy khun Anutin - and even he sometimes makes some odd statements - then statistics talks in his favor here, Thailand has not performed that bad during the Covid-pandemic, when it comes to health and deaths...????

Now you're just being dishonest. You were the  one who brought up flu to try and justify why Denmark had lower levels of excess deaths compared to Thailand, let me remind you of the post right here

 

In Denmark an influenza epidemic, like the one in 2017-2018, can kill more people during one season (2,822), than the Covid pandemic did in one year (total deaths in two years are 4,250).

 

As stated in my response its irrelevant comparing Denmark's flu numbers as a justification for low excess deaths compared to Thailand when you do not also have Thailand's flu numbers. So please explain this?

 

Or could it be as I maintain that is due to the effective testing Denmark is doing that captures most deaths compared to Thailand dismal record of testing, rather than bring flu into a covid thread as you stated above?

[khunPer]

10 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Statistics which are not ever truly reported correctly as they do not test on a widescale basis, and instead chose to just bubble and seal migrant worker camps, canneries, and then entire condominium complexes as well as towns by using razor wire to keep all inside.  The excess deaths were reported in 2020 at the middle of July and then those reports disappeared and the MOPH locked their database away from the public.  Tell us again how a country like the UK which is very transparent with their stats as well as vaccinations has performed worse than Thailand when this country does not test widely and the vaccine rollout still is far behind.  Of course to test here you must also pay to be tested whereas in other countries the testing is free if your ill.  Home tests are of course needed to be purchased by all and someone making 300 to 400 baht a day can not afford to spend a days wages for a test that if positive will incur them a loss of income as they will need to isolate.  Folks that are testing at home are also not truly reporting their positivity and just keep on working as there is no safety net for them if they do not work.........

Look at the facts of the result so far, Thailand has not performed as bad as some wish, nor is Thailand in the top.

 

The vaccination stat is here, Thailand almost equals UK...

[Cherrytreeview]

2 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Look at the facts of the result so far, Thailand has not performed as bad as some wish, nor is Thailand in the top.

 

The vaccination stat is here, Thailand almost equals UK...

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

Your being dishonest again or just trolling.

 

[candide]

40 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Or it's closed borders that matters, look at New Zealand and Australia, and Thailand's neighbors Cambodia and Vietnam, they also performed well.

 

Thailand had the first reported Covid case outside China back in January 2020 and closed the borders in March. It was people from outside that brought the new stems of Covid in from July  and mainly migrant workers at the end of 2020.

 

It's indeed the total numbers that show the result of a pandemic.

Maybe. However, when I was there in January/February 2020, there were plenty of foreigners there, including Chinese, Koreans, etc... and as you mentioned there were already some cases in January, and borders have only been closed at the end of March. In Italy, the pandemic probably started with one identified case, same for NY, and it diffused quickly. Actually no one really knows why SEA has not experienced an Alpha variant pandemic. NZ and Australia, It's another story.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/world/asia/coronavirus-thailand-photos.html

In case all merits should be attributed  to the government's policy for the low first wave, which is doubtful, it remains that they did not manage well the next one.

[ThailandRyan]

25 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Look at the facts of the result so far, Thailand has not performed as bad as some wish, nor is Thailand in the top.

 

The vaccination stat is here, Thailand almost equals UK...

Go back and look again at how many have been just vaccinated with one dose and compare that to those vaccinated with 2 doses and then a booster or more than one booster.  You might be surprised that Thailand has aggregated their numbers in order for it to appear they are where they are in your chart.  Many who were vaccinated with the initial Sinovac have since been re-vaccinated with the AZ and Pfizer, so those folks now have been vaccinated 4 times while others have not.  Statistical analysis will show you where your shortcomings and views on where they are (Thailand) based upon your graph supplied is incorrect.  The goalposts have changed many times here over the past 6 months as far as how they reached the 70% of the population being vaccinated etc...

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Look at the facts of the result so far, Thailand has not performed as bad as some wish, nor is Thailand in the top.

 

The vaccination stat is here, Thailand almost equals UK...

 

Check official sources next time, Thailand is way behind the UK

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

https://media.thaigov.go.th/uploads/public_img/source/170265.pdf

[khunPer]

11 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Total numbers which many of us believe are BS as they are not testing en-mass or in all provinces, just like many in the outer provinces have not been vaccinated as of yet.  This Government felt they needed to save tourism and so vaccinated those Tourist areas so they could open back up.  However, the virus and its mutations still arrived and it was not just from outsiders coming into Thailand.  Think Delta and the Thonglor Cluster or the Lumpini Boxing cluster.  To add to that the Government allowed Songkran travel in 2021 which spread Delta to the masses.  Tell us again how that was a good idea if as you say they did so well, especially since mass vaccinations had not even started yet.

That strain of virus in the boxing stadium-cluster was said to come from a Thai migrant worker returning from Italy, which at that time suffered from a new Covid-mutation, different from the original milder Wuham-strain that was already in Thailand...

However, there were later doubt if the strain from Italy was more dangerous.

 

The second wave came with illegal migrant workers from Myanmar.

 

Unfortunately there are not anything better to compare with than official facts, what people believe is a private matter.

[ThailandRyan]

5 minutes ago, khunPer said:

That strain of virus in the boxing stadium-cluster was said to come from a Thai migrant worker returning from Italy, which at that time suffered from a new Covid-mutation, different from the original milder Wuham-strain that was already in Thailand...

However, there were later doubt if the strain from Italy was more dangerous.

 

The second wave came with illegal migrant workers from Myanmar.

 

Unfortunately there are not anything better to compare with than official facts, what people believe is a private matter.

Second wave started from Thai's who not only illegally crossed the border returning from a casino, plus the Samut Prakan cluster which can not just be blamed on the migrants at the start of 2021.  You also had Some Hi-So's that also assisted in the second wave.  However, you can believe what you want, many of us truly do know what has occurred and who is responsible and Yes it is this Government and No they have not done a stellar job as you insist.  Enjoy digging through the older OPs to find how misinformed you may truly be.