Popular Post webfact Posted February 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2022 Pol Maj-Gen Paween Pongsirin, former deputy commissioner of the 8th Provincial Police Bureau, who led an investigation into a Rohingya human trafficking network over six years ago, said last night that he feels relieved after his side of the story was revealed in parliament, by Move Forward MP Rangsiman Rome, during the general debate yesterday. Currently living in exile in Australia, after escaping with his life more than six years ago, Pol Maj-Gen Paween led an investigation into human trafficking activities in Thailand’s southern border provinces. His work led to the arrest and prosecution of 75 suspects, including three army officers and one naval officer. A few others, including an army lieutenant general, who was then a special advisor to the Royal Thai Army, later surrendered and were eventually indicted. The probe was launched after security forces stumbled on a jungle camp in Sadao district of Songkhla in August 2015, where hundreds of illegal Rohingya immigrants, victims of a human trafficking gang, were being detained. The remains of dozens of Rohingya were also found buried around the camp. Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/story-of-thai-policeman-in-exile-and-victims-of-human-trafficking-revealed-in-parliament/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2022-02-21 - Aetna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. - Follow ASEAN NOW on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post internationalism Posted February 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2022 much more interesting, to he very last paragraph: "Things would have been different if Thailand was truly democratic and with an honest administration, he said. Paween said he fled Thailand in Nov 2015 after his investigation into mass graves at migrant camps was halted after five months by influential people in the government, including the military and police themselves." https://www.facebook.com/KhaosodEnglish/posts/5245709785447911 25 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post timendres Posted February 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2022 5 hours ago, internationalism said: much more interesting, to he very last paragraph: "Things would have been different if Thailand was truly democratic and with an honest administration, he said. Paween said he fled Thailand in Nov 2015 after his investigation into mass graves at migrant camps was halted after five months by influential people in the government, including the military and police themselves." https://www.facebook.com/KhaosodEnglish/posts/5245709785447911 It took real courage to push forward with that investigation. His need to flee to another country to protect his life highlights the fact. 14 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeff Olssson Posted February 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) Obviously there are honest and courageous people even in the high ranks of Thai army but unfortunately there are few and far between. The problem is that the system is corrupt and individuals have very little chance to beat the system. Edited February 20, 2022 by Jeff Olssson typo 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted February 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, To4ka said: This story will pick up pace. Either that or with the current push to eliminate the Human Rights Watch, it may just end up being buried, eliminated from the web like other stories, and then he will cease to be seen anymore. Of course this is my opinion but then...... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said: Either that or with the current push to eliminate the Human Rights Watch, it may just end up being buried, eliminated from the web like other stories, and then he will cease to be seen anymore. Of course this is my opinion but then...... Unfortunately I think are correct 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwithl Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 People can disappear in Australia. Probably not as easy as in neighbouring countries though. Hope not. Must be one of the good ones. Wonder why they tell what country he is in? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Jeff Olssson said: Obviously there are honest and courageous people even in the high ranks of Thai army but unfortunately there are few and far between. The problem is that the system is corrupt and individuals have very little chance to beat the system. So we can put the honest and courageous ones in the minority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 "Rangsiman raised the issue directly with Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha, but the prime minister dismissed the issue and moved on to other matters, prompting the Move Forward MP to call the prime minister a “savage”." The PM doesn't want to discuss the matter. What a surprise. These events came to light shortly after the 2014 coup while Prayut was self-appointed PM and ruled by decree using section 44 of the interim constitution that was imposed on the nation. At the time the military claimed the army had nothing to do with the human smuggling and blamed it all on local politicians and the police. The RTP proved that the army, particularly LtGen Manas, was a major player in the trafficking. Prayut and Thailand's military want all this to be forgotten. Paween Pongsirin will never be safe in Thailand so long as the army is in charge. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 It is quite obvious that human trafficking, slavery, drug trafficking, and lot of other very dark stuff is being done at the highest levels here, and massive amounts of money are being made by army, navy and other government officials. And it is equally obvious that not only is Prayuth totally insincere about fighting this rot, he is protecting those who are guilty of it. 28 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr Meeseeks Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 5 hours ago, internationalism said: much more interesting, to he very last paragraph: "Things would have been different if Thailand was truly democratic and with an honest administration, he said. Paween said he fled Thailand in Nov 2015 after his investigation into mass graves at migrant camps was halted after five months by influential people in the government, including the military and police themselves." https://www.facebook.com/KhaosodEnglish/posts/5245709785447911 To think, some clowns on here wanted these people in charge of running the country. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr Meeseeks Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, spidermike007 said: It is quite obvious that human trafficking, slavery, drug trafficking, and lot of other very dark stuff is being done at the highest levels here, and massive amounts of money are being made by army, navy and other government officials. And it is equally obvious that not only is Prayuth totally insincere about fighting this rot, he is protecting those who are guilty of it. Always has been. Same as over the border in Cambodia and Laos. A lot of money has been made from illegal activities, and now they try to pretend that it's all legit from family businesses, land inherited, etc. But we know their dirty little secrets. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post robblok Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: To think, some clowns on here wanted these people in charge of running the country. To think that some clowns think the alternative is better, were showed recently how the PTP viewed foreigner's racist with their views on removing test and go. Now i have changed my mind about the coup, but not about the PTP or most Thai politicians. Whoever is in power is only there for their own benefit. FFW seems to be one of the few that can illicit change. But they just don't have the support. Sad actually we will seen a new government but even if it changes to the PTP we won't see any changes in corruption or goverment style. They are all just the same (again excluding Move forward). The PTP is trying to amend the law so the convicted criminal Thaksin can exert power again. When will they ever change. They not in it for the people but for their leader. Anyway this story is horrible and its great that move forward is exposing stuff like this. Too bad they don't have the power. They might actually be the best alternative there is. Not a realist alternative unfortunately. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: To think, some clowns on here wanted these people in charge of running the country. True. ThaiVisa was flooded with posts from people who approved of the coup. "The General is a good man" and "Give Prayut a chance" were posted often. That's when I learned that many people's support for democracy is not deep. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kingstonkid Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 23 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: It is quite obvious that human trafficking, slavery, drug trafficking, and lot of other very dark stuff is being done at the highest levels here, and massive amounts of money are being made by army, navy and other government officials. And it is equally obvious that not only is Prayuth totally insincere about fighting this rot, he is protecting those who are guilty of it. To be fair he really has not choice but to protect those that got him into power. If not then he will become the next Thaksin and possibly lose everything. The best thing tht can happen is that the parties join together not in coaliton but in a sense that they build a true party to go against the government. Too many small parties that have money people in charge and only running for the graft that they can get. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaveE13 Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kiwithl said: People can disappear in Australia. Probably not as easy as in neighbouring countries though. Hope not. Must be one of the good ones. Wonder why they tell what country he is in? When this all come out 6 years ago he said he was going to Australia. And prayut said at the time if he had proof to tell him about it . Yes right he was going to hang around Edited February 21, 2022 by DaveE13 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaveE13 Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 And look who's on charge of stopping and investigating human trafficking. Prawit lol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Dissmisied the issue savage 2 hours ago, Kiwithl said: People can disappear in Australia. Probably not as easy as in neighbouring countries though. Hope not. Must be one of the good ones. Wonder why they tell what country he is in? It was all over the news when it happened so its general knowledge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brianthainess Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 This is worth reading the full story. Prayuth dismissed the issue and moved on to other matters. Savage is what the MF MP called Prayuth, when asked to remove that remark he refused. Good keep chipping away at Prayuth, eventually he will crumble, with luck and courage Thailand can Move Forward. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikebell Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 A dreadful indictment of a country when an honest cop is forced to flee for his life and live in exile. A total failure by Prayuth and co. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post worgeordie Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 This is not a country for good men...... regards Worgeordie 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneking Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, DaveE13 said: And look who's on charge of stopping and investigating human trafficking. Prawit lol And they want to ban Amnesty nternational..... I think less people wear yellow on Mondays now, but a lot still do. especially those who are doing well under the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 hours ago, robblok said: To think that some clowns think the alternative is better, were showed recently how the PTP viewed foreigner's racist with their views on removing test and go. Now i have changed my mind about the coup, but not about the PTP or most Thai politicians. Whoever is in power is only there for their own benefit. FFW seems to be one of the few that can illicit change. But they just don't have the support. Sad actually we will seen a new government but even if it changes to the PTP we won't see any changes in corruption or goverment style. They are all just the same (again excluding Move forward). The PTP is trying to amend the law so the convicted criminal Thaksin can exert power again. When will they ever change. They not in it for the people but for their leader. Anyway this story is horrible and its great that move forward is exposing stuff like this. Too bad they don't have the power. They might actually be the best alternative there is. Not a realist alternative unfortunately. So, all that enthusiasm for the coup, cheerleading for the generals, supporting and justifying forcing out the elected government, all those posts arguing that suppressing democracy was the right thing to do "under the circumstances"... What is the excuse now for all that sanctimonious twaddle? The big boys made you do it and then ran away? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said: So, all that enthusiasm for the coup, cheerleading for the generals, supporting and justifying forcing out the elected government, all those posts arguing that suppressing democracy was the right thing to do "under the circumstances"... What is the excuse now for all that sanctimonious twaddle? The big boys made you do it and then ran away? I was wrong said that many times before. Just don't see things changing anytime soon and definitely dont see the PTP as a desirable alternative. I see it as a slightly lesser evil. Had i known back then how long they would have stayed i definitely would not have supported it. That is one thing for sure. But i think anyone that thinks things will change much of PTP gets in power is equally misguided. They are just too similar in how they govern (covering up stuf and strong arming their enemies). Told you this before, and I havent changed my views. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post internationalism Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 from memory, there were some 30 mass graves with some 2000 corpses. How many more are still undiscovered in the dense mountain jungles of malaysian border areas? Rohingya were "legally" smuggled by thai officials through all Thailand from Mae Hong Son province to some 2000km Sadao province. They had a back up of paperwork to pass through multiple police and military checkpoints. If there was a surplus of slaves to be sold to Malaysia, the victims, who have payed in $$$$ to be smuggled, were ordered to call their relatives in Rakhine State in Myanmar, to extort further $2-3k. If relatives were reluctant to transfer money, victims were tortured while broadcasting their scream in another phone call. If no payment received, they were murdered, as they were worthless now. Blame is also on so holy Malaysian muslims, who took part in the procedure of enslaving their brethren. Without strong demand for a cheap/free labour (including sex slavery), this trade won't exist. On the margin of atrocities on Roghinyas - thai border marines trawlers were towing flimsy and overcrowded boats into a full sea, breaking their engines and allowed to drift into ocean 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont confuse me Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 10 hours ago, timendres said: It took real courage to push forward with that investigation. His need to flee to another country to protect his life highlights the fact. Shows you how deep the corruption runs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneZero Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 5 hours ago, spidermike007 said: It is quite obvious that human trafficking, slavery, drug trafficking, and lot of other very dark stuff is being done at the highest levels here, and massive amounts of money are being made by army, navy and other government officials. Operation Paper: The United States and Drugs in Thailand and Burma | The Asia-Pacific Journal: Japan Focus (apjjf.org) A long but very interesting essay (chapter in a 2010 book). If McCoy's 1972 "The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia" interested you, this serves as a historical postscript. Today in 2022, Thai newspapers are still filled with stories of the failure to effectively reform the police. Following is a quote of one of the essays conclusions: Quote: "The police force that exists in Thailand today is for all intents and purposes the same one that was built by Pol. Gen. Phao Sriyanond in the 1950s. . . . It took on paramilitary functions through new special units, including the border police. It ran the drug trade, carried out abductions and killings with impunity, and was used as a political base for Phao and his associates. Successive attempts to reform the police, particularly from the 1970s onwards, have all met with failure despite almost universal acknowledgment that something must be done." 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYNUFF Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I recall seeing on this forum, some months ago, a photograph of a number of the wealthiest men in Thailand at a gathering. All were wearing black suits, white shirts, black ties, and black sun glasses. I think they would have terrified even a Mafia Don they looked so bloody sinister and evil. But hey T.I.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, HAPPYNUFF said: All were wearing black suits, white shirts, black ties, and black sun glasses. Mr Brown, Blonde, Pink, Orange and White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobU Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) On 2/20/2022 at 7:53 AM, baz69er said: 9 hours ago, Kiwithl said: People can disappear in Australia. Probably not as easy as in neighbouring countries though. Hope not. Must be one of the good ones. Wonder why they tell what country he is in? I think the people who would harm him will already know where he is since they have access to government and military intelligence servicesblockquote widgetlockquote widget Edited February 21, 2022 by RobU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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