Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Mavideol]

very well done Poland, Putin will be pissssed but you shouldn't back up and after Ukraine you could be next

Poland ready to host NATO members' nuclear weapons to counter Russia, president says

https://au.yahoo.com/news/poland-ready-host-nato-members-201800585.html

[Mavideol]

4 minutes ago, jvs said:

Range long enough to take out the bridge!

I do hope so and the faster the better

[ExpatOilWorker]

25 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

I do hope so and the faster the better

We might see some spectacular action 🎬 by Ukraine 🇺🇦 on or around May 9th, the Victory ✌️ day in Russia 🇷🇺. 

[jvs]

43 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

very well done Poland, Putin will be pissssed but you shouldn't back up and after Ukraine you could be next

Poland ready to host NATO members' nuclear weapons to counter Russia, president says

https://au.yahoo.com/news/poland-ready-host-nato-members-201800585.html

I remember when i was a kid,a local business had a sign made up and put it in their yard,

it read" :i rather have a missile in my front yard than a russian in my kitchen!

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 4/24/2024 at 6:53 PM, scottiejohn said:

Does that make them any safer or less likely to be retaliated against with opposing nuclear weapons?

I already replied to the question of them being "safer" (not a term I would have chosen to use, by the way) but for more info, the article below provides a fairly comprehensive analysis of the issues surrounding the possible use of technical battlefield nukes by Russia, including their actual effects, and what the Western response might be.

 

What would actually happen if Putin hit Ukraine with tactical nukes?

 

Somewhat surprisingly (to me at least) it seems to suggest that the West might not necessarily respond with nuclear weapons of its own.

 

Quote

U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said publicly that the Biden administration has made it clear to Russia it would face unspecified catastrophic consequences if it uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That response wouldn't have to involve nuclear weapons, retired Gen. David Petraeus told ABC's This Week.

 

[scottiejohn]

2 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Somewhat surprisingly (to me at least) it seems to suggest that the West might not necessarily respond with nuclear weapons of its own.

Ukraine is NOT yet a member of NATO and therefore not obliged under article 5!

NATO - Topic: Collective defence and Article 5

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Somewhat surprisingly (to me at least) it seems to suggest that the West might not necessarily respond with nuclear weapons of its own.

Given that Ukraine is not a NATO country, or have a treaty with NATO or America, the west does not have to start MAD because Russia retaliated  against Ukraine using west supplied weapons to attack the Russian mainland.

If they do choose to escalate by using nukes, better say goodbye to every person you love before they become dust.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

We might see some spectacular action 🎬 by Ukraine 🇺🇦 on or around May 9th, the Victory ✌️ day in Russia 🇷🇺. 

Followed by a bit more ultraviolence on Ukraine. Two can play that game.

[Wobblybob]

35 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that Ukraine is not a NATO country, or have a treaty with NATO or America, the west does not have to start MAD because Russia retaliated  against Ukraine using west supplied weapons to attack the Russian mainland.

If they do choose to escalate by using nukes, better say goodbye to every person you love before they become dust.

Let's be clear the West did not start this, Russia did!

[tgw]

56 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that Ukraine is not a NATO country, or have a treaty with NATO or America, the west does not have to start MAD because Russia retaliated  against Ukraine using west supplied weapons to attack the Russian mainland.

If they do choose to escalate by using nukes, better say goodbye to every person you love before they become dust.

 

and let's be clear, Ukraine didn't invade the Russian mainland !

 

[jvs]

50 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Followed by a bit more ultraviolence on Ukraine. Two can play that game.

It can all be over in a day!

russia should just lay down their arms and return to what is theirs.

If you really think the brave Ukrainians are going to roll over and give their land to putin then you are gravely mistaken.!!!!!

Now the Ukrainians are given another chance to kick the ruskies out and they will!

Do you really believe that if the Ukraine would stop fighting the killing will stop?

How naive you are!!!

You are slowly getting there,you even said ultraviolence,next time try to use the words "war crime'!

 

 

[tgw]

16 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

We might see some spectacular action 🎬 by Ukraine 🇺🇦 on or around May 9th, the Victory ✌️ day in Russia 🇷🇺. 

 

I would cheer for a giant turd falling on the Kremlin

[paddypower]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that Ukraine is not a NATO country, or have a treaty with NATO or America, the west does not have to start MAD because Russia retaliated  against Ukraine using west supplied weapons to attack the Russian mainland.

If they do choose to escalate by using nukes, better say goodbye to every person you love before they become dust.

This particular essay may be of interest to some: (transparency of their funding is questionable) - but  I subscribe to & find useful their military assessment reports:  https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/special-report-assessing-putin’s-implicit-nuclear-threats-after-annexation

[kwonitoy]

For all those that think the US is delivering cash to a bank account in Ukraine

[kwonitoy]

The accuracy of the HIMARS system

[Jingthing]

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Followed by a bit more ultraviolence on Ukraine. Two can play that game.

Yes that's the kind of comment we expect from an obviously pro Putin member.

Yes, it's a war.

Both sides are hitting each other.

But now Ukraine has a fighting chance again and Ukraine goes after military targets while Putin goes after civilian targets and levels cities while calling it liberation in a terroristic fashion.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes that's the kind of comment we expect from an obviously pro Putin member.

Yes, it's a war.

Both sides are hitting each other.

But now Ukraine has a fighting chance again and Ukraine goes after military targets while Putin goes after civilian targets and levels cities while calling it liberation in a terroristic fashion.

You can't prove that I'm pro Putin as I've said nothing that would indicate that. As usual you are making it up.

 

Look at reality as opposed to the invented western propaganda myth, Russia can't lose, IMO. The best Ukraine can hope for is a draw, IMO.

 

Nukes provide an absolute guarantee that Ukraine can't win, IMO.

 

However, carry on drinking the western propaganda juice by all means.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You can't prove that I'm pro Putin as I've said nothing that would indicate that. As usual you are making it up.

 

Look at reality as opposed to the invented western propaganda myth, Russia can't lose, IMO. The best Ukraine can hope for is a draw, IMO.

 

Nukes provide an absolute guarantee that Ukraine can't win, IMO.

 

However, carry on drinking the western propaganda juice by all means.

Saying Ukraine can't win is a standard Kremlin talking point.

Also actually believing the nuclear threats from the Kremlin plays right into Putin's hands.

[Wobblybob]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You can't prove that I'm pro Putin as I've said nothing that would indicate that. As usual you are making it up.

 

Look at reality as opposed to the invented western propaganda myth, Russia can't lose, IMO. The best Ukraine can hope for is a draw, IMO.

 

Nukes provide an absolute guarantee that Ukraine can't win, IMO.

 

However, carry on drinking the western propaganda juice by all means.

Nukes and nobody wins. But your opinion at best is laughable. 

[jvs]

11 hours ago, kwonitoy said:

For all those that think the US is delivering cash to a bank account in Ukraine

You can tell all those people the same thing over and over and they will just have a black out and start some :"but what about?""

No one is as blind as those who refuse to see.

 

[johng]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Saying Ukraine can't win is a standard Kremlin talking point.

They cannot win and never had a chance of winning, not a "kremlin talking point"  just the plain truth.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, johng said:

They cannot win and never had a chance of winning, not a "kremlin talking point"  just the plain truth.

They can certainly win if the west gets on real war footing. Easily. 

I agree that Putin won't quit until he is forced to quit, but his being forced to quit could come from internal Russian forces as well. 

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

They can certainly win if the west gets on real war footing. Easily. 

I agree that Putin won't quit until he is forced to quit, but his being forced to quit could come from internal Russian forces as well. 

Latest body count for russians confirmed  50 000 soldiers, but most likely much higher number. 

 

As long putin use soldiers from rural poor districts, he might be able to continue much longer, and continue to wear down Ukraine moral and also resources.

 

Im afraid for Moscow there is no point of return in this conflict before Ukraine accept new borders. They already invested to much, and as far I can see, Russians believes his storytelling and Tucker Carlson for sure made him a great propaganda win, also the continued war in Gaza against palestinian civilians shows the as west two faced and also a propaganda win for Putin, as the west suport for the Arabic spring, and also the unsolved conflict in Syria. 

 

This important propaganda proofs he know to use for the his continued war on Ukraine. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68819853

Edited April 27 by Hummin

[tgw]

1 hour ago, johng said:

They cannot win and never had a chance of winning, not a "kremlin talking point"  just the plain truth.

 

Winning for Ukraine is making Ruzzia withdraw from Ukraine.

Ukraine can certainly achieve this if the allies supply Ukraine with the right tools.

 

What they need to do is to bloody the bear's nose, not once, but several times in a row with mass casualties of Ruzzian soldiers and ravage Ruzzian airbases, Ruzzian oil infrastructure. Take out the damn bridge.

[jvs]

2 hours ago, tgw said:

 

Winning for Ukraine is making Ruzzia withdraw from Ukraine.

Ukraine can certainly achieve this if the allies supply Ukraine with the right tools.

 

What they need to do is to bloody the bear's nose, not once, but several times in a row with mass casualties of Ruzzian soldiers and ravage Ruzzian airbases, Ruzzian oil infrastructure. Take out the damn bridge.

Yes people are looking at what happens at the front too much,look at all the damage the Ukrainians

are doing behind enemy lines.

The bridge will be the icing on the cake and the beginning of the end for russia.

Atacm's and F-16s will be doing that.

[johng]

4 hours ago, Hummin said:

also the continued war in Gaza against palestinian civilians shows the as west two faced and also a propaganda win for Putin

The "west" is certainly two faced and hypocritical no need for "propaganda" to show that.

[johng]

3 hours ago, tgw said:

What they need to do is to bloody the bear's nose, not once, but several times in a row with mass casualties of Ruzzian soldiers and ravage Ruzzian airbases, Ruzzian oil infrastructure. Take out the damn bridge.

You like war ?  WWIII  with a nuclear sprinkle on top ?

This whole thing could have been avoided if they had not sent Boris to insist on fighting..dont give in we got your back...fight to the last Ukrainian..it's very good value for (US)

[Wobblybob]

Just now, johng said:

You like war ?  WWIII  with a nuclear sprinkle on top ?

This whole thing could have been avoided if they had not sent Boris to insist on fighting..dont give in we got your back...fight to the last Ukrainian..it's very good value for (US)

Shudda gone to Specsavers, your hero Putin started this war, your hatred for the US is preventing you from talking sense.

[johng]

12 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

your hatred for the US is preventing you from talking sense.

Your fawning adoration  of

"Uncle Sam" (GI Joe) and unquestioning following of the mainstream narrative has led you up the garden path.

Ukraine can not win against Russia

If the US and NATO fully engage then that is a whole nother cattle of fish  in other words  World War 3.

[Wobblybob]

4 minutes ago, johng said:

Your fawning adoration  of

"Uncle Sam" (GI Joe) and unquestioning following of the mainstream narrative has led you up the garden path.

Ukraine can not win against Russia

If the US and NATO fully engage then that is a whole nother cattle of fish  in other words  World War 3.

Gibberish hyperbolic nonsense, yes WW3 and remind us all who started it, I will give you a choice of 2 to choose from, either Russia or Putin.