Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[tgw]

16 hours ago, Berkshire said:

I honestly don't understand why Ukraine is allowing this huge convoy to proceed unimpeded.  They can sabotage the roads, place obstructions, hit this slow-moving target directly....etc.  I'm guessing they have some sort of plan to deal with this.  (the classic "secret" plan"...hope it's spectacular)  Because if this convoy reaches Kyiv, it'll be a not-so-happy ending for Ukraine.

drones could be the answer.

 

Ukraine could form a drone pilot volunteer corps, maybe made of gamers, have them learn for some  days the controls of Bayraktar and other drones and then use them to strike targets resulting form reconnaissance.

USA should deliver combat drones to Ukraine.

Drones can be cheap, so Ukraine could soon have 250+ drones operating, Bayraktar have 4 antitank missiles each, so 50 of them could already begin the work on that 40 miles column.

Ukraine should order more drones ASAP from everywhere.

If it could be capable of having 200 drones in the air, this could have a real chance to turn the odds.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

12 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Weird with what's going on here sometimes, some here posting  seem to get very emotional over something they can do nothing about. 

It's a sad thing that is going on in Ukraine and lots of lip service and sanctions but it's not stopping anything. 

This is a ‘discussion forum’.

 

We discuss stuff here.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

It's just the beginning of a new Cold War it didn't bother Russia then and nothing will bother them now. 

They still have China,  UAE,  Indian and some other support so they don't care. 

I see the only way of change will be through the population of Russia wanting change.

 

The economy is collapsing by the minute, the people of Russia are getting plenty of ‘motivation’ to do something about Putin, particularly the hyper wealthy people of Russia.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

12 hours ago, farmerjo said:

Reality is Putin is not insane,he is a straight shooter.

In the west we shoot around corners.

The brainwashing of democracy by the west does not fit all walks of life and never will.  

 

‘Brainwashed’ say.

 

Well some agreed with you.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just been watch a live statement by Ukraines Prime Minister on the BBC. He confirmed that weapons and equipment from all corners of the world were reaching Ukraine daily and thanked everyone for the continued support, unfortunately the interpreter who was doing the voice over was getting very emotional, so much of the statement was left without translation other than a few snippets more. 

 

To confirm some of the above the President also spoke with Boris today:

 

Zelensky has also spoken to UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson this morning - he thanked Johnson for ensuring that defensive aid reached Ukraine and said it had been vital in holding back Russian forces, according to a British readout of the call.

 

Both leaders agreed on the need for sanctions to go further to exert maximum pressure on Vladimir Putin.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60582327

 

The world needs to send as much aid, both humanitarian and military, its getting through and helping.

All well and good, but for some odd reason Johnson’s government have announced sanctions but delayed their implementation. What Johnson says is not necessarily the truth.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-sanctions-on-russian-oligarchs-delayed-over-fears-they-will-take-the-government-to-court-in-response-1494901

[Danderman123]

22 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Putin clearly thought it would take two days, he was wrong.

 

On what basis do you claim two weeks?

Captured Russian plans show they are engaging in a 2 week campaign. Their logistics are based on 2 weeks.

 

Don’t let the propaganda fool you.

 

The Russians are experts on encirclement of Kyiv.

[Kwasaki]

35 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The economy is collapsing by the minute, the people of Russia are getting plenty of ‘motivation’ to do something about Putin, particularly the hyper wealthy people of Russia.

Disagree and there you go again with your own crystal ball analysis.

 

Russian people are being thrown into jail. 

Also stupid irresponsible parents sending babies out to protest.

[Kwasaki]

5 hours ago, tgw said:

drones could be the answer.

 

Ukraine could form a drone pilot volunteer corps, maybe made of gamers, have them learn for some  days the controls of Bayraktar and other drones and then use them to strike targets resulting form reconnaissance.

USA should deliver combat drones to Ukraine.

Drones can be cheap, so Ukraine could soon have 250+ drones operating, Bayraktar have 4 antitank missiles each, so 50 of them could already begin the work on that 40 miles column.

Ukraine should order more drones ASAP from everywhere.

If it could be capable of having 200 drones in the air, this could have a real chance to turn the odds.

Ever heard of the S400 missile system one the most advanced systems in the world. 

[Chomper Higgot]

28 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Disagree and there you go again with your own crystal ball analysis.

 

Russian people are being thrown into jail. 

Also stupid irresponsible parents sending babies out to protest.

Are you seriously arguing the Russian economy is not collapsing?

 

I for one am glad I’m to paid in Rubles.

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Like I said sanctions do no good Russians are use to it and it will only make them more hostile.

 

Think about it like Boris does if your mind is capable. 

Ad hominem noted.

[ExpatOilWorker]

Danish panser penetrating firecrackers arrived.

https://twitter.com/DanishMFA/status/1499029326897074179?s=20&t=5smzGtUlOx_rzyNQVjuPsA

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Ever heard of the S400 missile system one the most advanced systems in the world. 

yes, the Ukrainians photograph it from close range with their drones:

https://research.sharqforum.org/2021/10/27/how-reliable-are-russian-defence-systems/

 

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In the three above-mentioned battlefields, and in front of Turkish, Israeli and American weapons, the Russian air defence systems failed miserably. Even in Crimea, Ukraine managed to monitor and photograph the Russian S400 air defence system with the Bayraktar drones without the latter being detected. Ukraine which had acquired six of these drones in 2019, later decided to buy more.

https://www.dw.com/en/russia-ukraine-crisis-who-supplies-weapons-to-kyiv/a-60772390

 

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Soviet-era air defense systems were shown to be largely ineffective against modern drones like the Bayraktar.

 

[Bkk Brian]

19:30

Minister of Foreign Affairs: There is an urgent need to strengthen the Air Force. Ukraine is working with a number of countries to close the skies over the country and there is already some progress in this regard.

 

19:23

Ukrainian Armed Forces isolated and cut off the retreat of Russian troops advancing in Kyiv region by blowing up the bridge in Bashirevka.

 

Live verified updates from the Ukraine government dedicated website https://war.ukraine.ua/

[Bkk Brian]

The West has used crushing sanctions on Russia. The implications are huge

 

The measures the West has imposed on Russia are so potent that they have triggered chaos in its $1.6trn economy and prompted the president, Vladimir Putin, to issue nuclear threats.

 

The instant immiseration of a big economy is unprecedented and will cause alarm around the world, not least in China, which will recalculate the costs of a war over Taiwan. The West’s priority must be to win the economic confrontation with Russia. Then it must create a doctrine to govern these weapons in order to prevent a broader shift towards autarky.

 

https://www.economist.com/leaders/a-new-age-of-economic-conflict/21807968?

[Rimmer]

A couple of off topic posts have been removed

[jollyhangmon]

Quite interesting, fresh outta Moscow:

 

'Russia has a lot to lose, not much to gain,' says senior policy advisor Andrey Kortunov | DW News

 

=>  Deutsche Welle speaks to Andrey Kortunov, director general of the Russian International Affairs Council and Kremlin senior policy adviser ...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59BvOLD6TM0

 

 

... here's a bit more about this bloke:

 

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-invasion-kremlin-policy-adviser-reveals-his-shock-over-vladimir-putins-decision-to-invade-12555163

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by jollyhangmon

[Berkshire]

8 hours ago, tgw said:

drones could be the answer.

 

Ukraine could form a drone pilot volunteer corps, maybe made of gamers, have them learn for some  days the controls of Bayraktar and other drones and then use them to strike targets resulting form reconnaissance.

USA should deliver combat drones to Ukraine.

Drones can be cheap, so Ukraine could soon have 250+ drones operating, Bayraktar have 4 antitank missiles each, so 50 of them could already begin the work on that 40 miles column.

Ukraine should order more drones ASAP from everywhere.

If it could be capable of having 200 drones in the air, this could have a real chance to turn the odds.

 

 

Appears Ukraine is already deploying drones...from Turkey.

 

[The star of this video and others circulating on Twitter is the Bayraktar TB2 – a type of Turkish drone that the Ukrainian military has increasingly deployed against Russian forces in recent days. On Tuesday, the Ukrainian military said that Bayraktar drones had destroyed one tank and two surface-to-air missile systems overnight. In other videos shared on Twitter, Bayraktar drones, in use by the military since at least 2021, are shown blowing up what appears to be a Russian fuel convoy and a group of supply trucks.]

 

https://time.com/6153197/ukraine-russia-turkish-drones-bayraktar/

 

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Saanim said:

About "brainwashing"?  As I mentioned, there are plenty speeches where anybody can consider by himself. 

 

E.g., one I am just seeing, with very long formulated question of a Japanese journo and what is the answer (quite actual to the current situation). Even if few years ago, people commenting also nowadays, quite differently as here, seeing over 10M.  

 

 

Cant say we did not knew what was coming. And hard to say if the west stayed out of Ukraine, and left it as a buffer zone, it would had or made any difference. I doubt.

 

If there is any good coming out of this, Finland/Suomi and Sweeden (Switzerland) will join Nato now. It can help the future coming war against China.

 

I have to give  Putin right about one thing, and thats the west double standard when it comes to moral, and easy to get backed by his own people, because of the west lack of moral in previous wars. 
 

The cowardly withdrawel from Afghanistan did not help at all either, and might have made Putins choice to invade easier. 

[ExpatOilWorker]

The heat is on the Russians... ???? 

https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1498370551177437184?s=20&t=lDYkhr83xSK77xY1qA6SeQ

[Berkshire]

Interesting.....although $1 million seems a little low.

 

[A Russian businessman is offering $1 million to any military officer who apprehends Russian President Vladimir Putin "dead or alive" for committing war crimes in his invasion of Ukraine.]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wanted-dead-or-alive-russian-tycoon-puts-1m-bounty-on-putin-s-head/ar-AAUwRyZ?ocid=wispr

[Bkk Brian]

01:39

Ukrainian troops with the support of aircrafts destroyed columns of military equipment, three planes, two helicopters, and Russian manpower in Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, and Kharkiv regions — Ukrainian Armed Forces report.

 

https://war.ukraine.ua/

[Virt]

What could be cause these 2 blasts?

 

The second one sure as hell lit up the sky.

Hopefully they haven't started using the vacuum fuel bombs near Kyiv.

 

 

[RJRS1301]

46 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Interesting.....although $1 million seems a little low.

 

[A Russian businessman is offering $1 million to any military officer who apprehends Russian President Vladimir Putin "dead or alive" for committing war crimes in his invasion of Ukraine.]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wanted-dead-or-alive-russian-tycoon-puts-1m-bounty-on-putin-s-head/ar-AAUwRyZ?ocid=wispr

He has signed his death warrant and or the seizure of anything he has inside Russia including relatives.

 

[RJRS1301]

12 minutes ago, Virt said:

What could be cause these 2 blasts?

 

The second one sure as hell lit up the sky.

Hopefully they haven't started using the vacuum fuel bombs near Kyiv.

 

 

Widely reported they are using them.

One of the reasons he has been referred for war crimes 

[Chomper Higgot]

As the Russian economy takes a dive, Ukrainians receive a welcome tax break:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/03/ukraine-authorities-say-seized-russian-tanks-dont-need-to-be-declared-on-tax-form

[ExpatOilWorker]

Is it a Russian tank or a fish tank, or both?

 

[rudi49jr]

5 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah in a one-sided hypocritical way on subjects like this. 

Pot kettle.

[rudi49jr]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The economy is collapsing by the minute, the people of Russia are getting plenty of ‘motivation’ to do something about Putin, particularly the hyper wealthy people of Russia.

 

 

I read that the oligarchs/billionaires are all sailing their 100 million dollar superyachts to the Maldives. Reason: no extradition treaty with the USA. Fricking weasels. 
The average Russian is really going to feel the brunt of the sanctions, though. May be the incentive they need to get rid of Putin and his clique.

[Kwasaki]

4 hours ago, tgw said:

yes, the Ukrainians photograph it from close range with their drones:

https://research.sharqforum.org/2021/10/27/how-reliable-are-russian-defence-systems/

 

https://www.dw.com/en/russia-ukraine-crisis-who-supplies-weapons-to-kyiv/a-60772390

 

Not sure I believe war news reports but I hope and prefer that there will be talks to stop the attack.

[ozimoron]

5 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Disagree and there you go again with your own crystal ball analysis.

 

Russian people are being thrown into jail. 

Also stupid irresponsible parents sending babies out to protest.

So, are they justified in arresting them? Or are they just using the kids as hostages to blackmail their parents?