Billionaire former top cop's son in Porsche severely injures foreigner on motorcycle in Bangkok smash

[bendejo]

16 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Setting up and running a large successful renewable energy business most likely contributed to his wealth.

Oops!  From the OP I got impression it was junior here responsible for the startup. 

 

 

[jacko45k]

20 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Some high end cars disable the airbag in such circumstances to prevent the airbag from switching from a lifesaver into a high speed killer when it impacts the drivers chest, who is himself being flung forward.

So the airbag is deemed a harder impact than say going through the windscreen or hitting the steering wheel? Seems surprising but not looking for an argument. 

[Purdey]

On 3/12/2022 at 9:37 AM, webfact said:

The Yamaha Fino was 150 meters from the Porsche Taycan S. Severely injured with head injuries and rushed to Taksin Hospita

Didn’t know Yamahas could have serious head injuries. Wonder if they hospital used a surgeon or an engineer.

[2long]

5 hours ago, stoutfella said:

I think you'll find that Thailand now has the technology to do an alcohol test from a blood sample.

Thank you @stoutfella

But it was my poor attempt at irony. ????

We all know how quick and easy it is to get a blood-alcohol reading, especially in a hospital... but I think that we all know the 'preferred result' due to the status of the person involved.

[n8sail]

RIP Mr. Waseem Ahmad.  That would be a poopy way to go down especially at only 40.

INRE electricity generation in Thailand,  actually Coal and Natural gas burning is accounting for less and less...  even now most of the electricity comes from natural gas, which is for obvious reasons much cleaner than coal.  Of course it still produces loads of CO2.  Downside is Thailands Natural Gas reserves are only enough for about 4 more years of production at the current rate.   Here's a good read for those of you that care about facts rather than just conjecture by bar-stool-dwelling septuagenarians that are stuck in the past:

https://www.krungsri.com/en/research/industry/industry-outlook/Energy-Utilities/Power-Generation/IO/io-power-generation-21

 

From the article:

 

 

 

 

[Moonlover]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

So the airbag is deemed a harder impact than say going through the windscreen or hitting the steering wheel? Seems surprising but not looking for an argument. 

It's not a matter of hardness. It's speed. The airbag explodes out of its housing at up to 200mph. Do you recall kinetic energy from your school days? The faster an object is travelling, the more kinetic energy it has.

 

It's reckoned that they have the force of a 12 bore shoot gun. You wouldn't want to be flying forward into that! Do note, they are a supplementary restraint system. (SRS). Supplementary that is to the seatbelt.

[radiochaser]

On 3/12/2022 at 5:47 AM, nchuckle said:

Even My 2002 E46 M3 had 345 hp and my subsequent 2007 onward model E92 414 bhp. Current incarnations 500 from a 3 litre engine. The point I was addressing was in response to your lauding of a 5.7 litre hemi engine which produces relatively low power given its capacity. 4.4 litres of BMW engine which fitted to their bigger  models (no chin knee issues!)now produces 600 bhp ! You’d find the bigger saloons /SUVs would be more comfortable (ride quality) with better handling than any truck whose only advantage is if carrying huge loads in the open back. How often does that get used which a SUV couldn’t deal with?

I was not praising the 5.7 liter engine in my RAM 1500 engine.  I commented that my RAM 1500 had a 5.7 liter engine.  Because the ones they sell now, don't.   Heck, until you brought up the issue of horsepower, I never knew how many the 5.7 had.  I had to search the internet for it.  It was too cold to walk out to the truck and get the operators manual.  

New RAM 1500 trucks only have a V6.  If you still want the 5.7 liter engine in a RAM you have to buy the RAM 2500.   It does have what I like, the leg room, not having to squat down to get in, and needing a rope to haul myself up when I get out.   

I have test driven some BMW's.  While they are nice cars sit lower than I like and I did not feel comfortable driving them.    But my RAM 1500 is a more comfortable vehicle, for me, to drive.  The most comfortable vehicle to drive that I have owned.   That is the most important point about my truck, comfort.

As for a car with lots of power I drove a Ferrari one time.  Yes it had a lot of power, it was very comfortable to sit in, but I would not buy one.   The getting in and out of it thing I keep writing about. 

And again.   Smaller car, less weight, more horsepower to weight ratio.  I used to build up equipment, that used 16 cylinder diesel engines that had 1000 horsepower.   But, they would only push a boat, about 15 to 20 knots.   Horsepower to weight ratio (and a denser medium to push through, no wheels etc.).  

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by radiochaser

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Do you recall kinetic energy from your school days? The faster an object is travelling, the more kinetic energy it has.

 

The kinetic energy is in him, the mass of the bag is surely small compared to the human body. Nevertheless I have heard of injuries caused by airbags going off. Must be like a small bomb.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, jacko45k said:

The kinetic energy is in him,  

I believe that is called 'potential' energy.

[Mister Fixit]

On 3/12/2022 at 10:07 AM, Misterwhisper said:

Which explains why he is driving an "absolutely non-clean" fossil fuel-guzzling Porsche. Ah, the hypocrisy! 

It grows on trees here.  

[jacko45k]

12 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I believe that is called 'potential' energy.

No, he was travelling at speed when brought to a rapid stop, that is kinetic... potential is the energy stored by something sitting at a height.

Edited March 14, 2022 by jacko45k

[Moonlover]

22 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

The kinetic energy is in him, the mass of the bag is surely small compared to the human body. Nevertheless I have heard of injuries caused by airbags going off. Must be like a small bomb.

I was living in Saudi Arabia when airbags were introduced. Saudis will not wear seatbelts, it's deemed 'unmanly'. A new phrase entered the lexicon, 'death by airbag'.

 

Here's a simple analogy. When you jump off the side into a swimming pool, no drama, splash and you're in. Jump off a high diving board and get it wrong, ouch it can hurt. Now jump off the Golden Gate Bridge! A recent description I read was 'a bag of broken bones'.

 

Same body, same water. It's all about speed. In this case, of course it's the speed of the body, in a car crash the body would be moving relatively slowly compared to the bag and kinetic energy is a function of mass and speed.

 

I've never forgotten the analogy that my physics teacher gave. (physics being my favourite topic) 'If I could make a feather go fast enough, it could punch a hole in a steel plate'. 

Edited March 14, 2022 by Moonlover

[Eaglekott]

On 3/12/2022 at 11:14 AM, Moonlover said:

Airbags only deploy if the frontal impact is high enough. Heavy car hitting light motorcycle obviously didn't generate sufficient 'G' force.

In many cases the Air bag is disabled if you do not use safety belt. Like in this case he hit his head against the steering wheel. If the airbag had deployed it might have killed him or give him severe neck injuries. Some SRS systems even calculate if it should or should not deploy the airbag if the belt not used.

 

Always use a safety belt while in a car it saves many life, Like helmets for bikers. 

Edited March 14, 2022 by Eaglekott
Spelling correction and a little added text

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, Eaglekott said:

On 3/12/2022 at 11:14 AM, Moonlover said:

Airbags only deploy if the frontal impact is high enough. Heavy car hitting light motorcycle obviously didn't generate sufficient 'G' force.

 

1 hour ago, Eaglekott said:

In many cases the Air bag is disabled if you do not use safety belt. Like in this case he hit his head against the steering wheel. If the airbag had deployed it might have killed him or give him severe neck injuries. Some SRS systems even calculate if it should or should not deploy the airbag if the belt not used.

 

Always use a safety belt while in a car it saves many life, Like helmets for bikers. 

What has astonished me about this thread is how little people know about the cars that they spend so much of their time in. Someone even mooted the idea of fastening the seatbelt behind you to stop that irritating alarm beep!

[JBChiangRai]

14 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

 

What has astonished me about this thread is how little people know about the cars that they spend so much of their time in. Someone even mooted the idea of fastening the seatbelt behind you to stop that irritating alarm beep!

Actually, nobody mooted the idea of fastening the seatbelt behind them to stop that irritating alarm bleep.

 

Someone suggested that could have been what happened. Myself, also a Taycan owner.

 

You insist on jumping to conclusions when a better man would simply accept he made a mistake and apologize his error.

[Mansell]

The cop is nearly a dollar billionaire…..nobody see anything wrong with that?

This was a frontal hit on the car, airbag is designed to deploy at that type of impact. Something wrong with this cars features.

[RJRS1301]

4 minutes ago, Mansell said:

The cop is nearly a dollar billionaire…..nobody see anything wrong with that?

This was a frontal hit on the car, airbag is designed to deploy at that type of impact. Something wrong with this cars features.

No his wealth would have been investigated when he was stood down some time ago, he runs a multi billion dollar company.

He is judged as  one of the uncorruptables read about him before being slanderous

 

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, Mansell said:

The cop is nearly a dollar billionaire…..nobody see anything wrong with that?

This was a frontal hit on the car, airbag is designed to deploy at that type of impact. Something wrong with this cars features.

No it doesn't.  Look again at the picture.  Barely a minor dent on the front of the car, absolutely the airbags should NOT be deploying at that type of impact.  If they were they'd be exploding in to people's faces and chests left right and centre and probably be killing dozens of people each month.

[RJRS1301]

23 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

No it doesn't.  Look again at the picture.  Barely a minor dent on the front of the car, absolutely the airbags should NOT be deploying at that type of impact.  If they were they'd be exploding in to people's faces and chests left right and centre and probably be killing dozens of people each month.

Yes airbags can and do kill, the tail end of my sternum was shifted , broken ribs, and head injuries caused by the airbags deploying..

Several other injuries caused by the actual impact, but the "life saving airbags" caused other injuries. Debatable whether I would have been in a worse state without them, however, I have no wish to relive the incident to test anyone's uneducated theory on airbags, speed impact etc.

Oh my speed at time of accident 45klms per hour

The rollover bars also deployed, even though no rollover occurred .

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by RJRS1301

[Mike k]

On 3/13/2022 at 1:44 PM, Moonlover said:

That is irresponsibly BAD advice to give to anybody. Driving a modern car that has airbags without wearing seatbelts is potentially very dangerous in the event of a frontal collision.

 

As the unrestrained driver flies forward, the airbag explodes out of the steering wheel with the force of a 12 bore shotgun. It can cause severe chest trauma which can be fatal.

 

Wise up. ALWAYS fasten your seatbelt.

And wearing the seat belt can also cause problems. I got a cracked sternum from a combination of a seat belt air bag and the doctor thinks my shirt button that almost 6 years later still causes me pain 

[Jimbo53]

19 hours ago, jacko45k said:

No, he was travelling at speed when brought to a rapid stop, that is kinetic... potential is the energy stored by something sitting at a height.

As in a Seagull sh£##ing on you at the seaside ????????????????.

[webfact]

UPDATE:

 

RTP promise justice as Porsche driving top cop's son over the alcohol limit 

 

Picture: Daily News

 

Pornmet Songmetta - the rich son of billionaire former top cop General Wirachai Songmetta - has tested over the limit for alcohol.

 

Full story: https://aseannow.com/topic/1253469-rtp-promise-justice-as-porsche-driving-top-cops-son-over-the-alcohol-limit/

[Moonlover]

6 hours ago, Mike k said:

And wearing the seat belt can also cause problems. I got a cracked sternum from a combination of a seat belt air bag and the doctor thinks my shirt button that almost 6 years later still causes me pain 

Forget the minor trauma that you did suffer. Consider what might have happened had you not been wearing your seatbelt.

[SAFETY FIRST]

21 minutes ago, webfact said:

has tested over the limit for alcohol.

Being the son of an ex-topcop I would have thought dad would have given him clear instructions, like 'what ever you do, do not ever get yourself into trouble with the law) 

 

It's a no brainer, obviously dad has failed in showing this delinquent the right path. 

 

 

[RJRS1301]

15 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Being the son of an ex-topcop I would have thought dad would have given him clear instructions, like 'what ever you do, do not ever get yourself into trouble with the law) 

 

It's a no brainer, obviously dad has failed in showing this delinquent the right path. 

 

 

Why is the father to blame?

The driver is an adult male and made his own decisions.

I am sure Mrs Manson was not to blame for the actions of her male child. 

Are your parents to blame for poor decision making on you have committed?

 

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

12 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Why is the father to blame?

 

OK then, blame the mother 

[RJRS1301]

36 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

OK then, blame the mother 

Please use the entire response before responding, taking my quote out of context does let you off the hook, respond to the entire quote, instead of being lazy and trying to justify your statement

[jacko45k]

5 hours ago, Jimbo53 said:

As in a Seagull sh£##ing on you at the seaside ????????????????.

Yes, when it was released it had potential, when it hits, kinetic!

[CLW]

On 3/12/2022 at 2:03 PM, jacko45k said:

Did he know before the crash it was defective?

Well, from a car like Porsche I would expect to see the warning sign on in the cockpit once the airbag is defective. Also regular checks at the dealer would have revealed it I guess

[SAFETY FIRST]

8 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

8 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Being the son of an ex-topcop I would have thought dad would have given him clear instructions, like 'what ever you do, do not ever get yourself into trouble with the law) 

 

It's a no brainer, obviously dad has failed in showing this delinquent the right path. 

 

 

Why is the father to blame?

The driver is an adult male and made his own decisions.

I am sure Mrs Manson was not to blame for the actions of her male child. 

Are your parents to blame for poor decision making on you have committed?

 

 

7 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

8 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

OK then, blame the mother 

Please use the entire response before responding, taking my quote out of context does let you off the hook, respond to the entire quote, instead of being lazy and trying to justify your statement

Sorry for the late reply, so busy today 

 

Normally I wouldn't blame the father but the headline is pointing you in that direction.

My analogy goes.

OK, let's look at this example. 

 

I'm an offshore installation manager

My 29yo son comes to the rig, on his shift he decides to light up a cigarette above the well center (this is a not allowed and a dangerous act) the rig explodes killing people.

 

Wouldn't you point the finger at the father