Overall negative reaction to Thai Covid-19 center meeting, majority of business owners, tourists want much further and faster easing of restrictions

[NanaSomchai]

2 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

It’s a catastrophe. ????????

It's all about controlling the masses. Let them enjoy their new toys under false health concerns and disease prevention pretenses.

Edited March 21, 2022 by NanaSomchai

[herfiehandbag]

30 minutes ago, Adumbration said:

@spidermike007 is an intelligent and articulate guy.  But he is off the mark here.  It has nothing to do with puritanism.  The elite are sending as many workaday Thais to the wall as possible with of overall objective of obtaining their land holdings.  

I'm sure landholdings are one of the targets.

 

Pre Covid the tourist industry was probably the major economic activity which was not in the grip of the elites. Covid has provided the excuse for control measures which will ensure that it will end up in that grip.

 

Feudalism in the medieval sense was a society in which labour and services were provided upwards, and the resulting wealth flowed upwards, based on landholdings and agricultural production. A person's status within society , freedoms and prosperity were controlled by the various layers of landowners above them.

 

The more modern feudal society which is being created here ( perhaps we should call it neofeudalism) is designed to produce exactly the same result, but with a more diverse set of activities. Instead of Lords of Manors, Barons and Earls the masters are the heads of businesses, government officials and senior beaurocrats.

 

The chain mail and leather jerkins of the men at arms who kept the medieval lower orders in check has been replaced by the khaki uniforms of civil servants and beaurocrats. Above them, in place of the nobility, are the military higherarchy.

 

The tourist industry, as it was pre Covid, was the glaring exception to that system. It has to be destroyed, whatever emerges will be run along " neofeudal" lines.

 

Edited March 21, 2022 by herfiehandbag

[newnative]

Listen to the FTI--eliminate everything except vaccination proof.

[Jurg]

2 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Most airlines do not require pre-flight testing. Please name one.

 

Airlines actually want people to fly. The airlines use the rules of country of destination and country of 

transit.

Required Testing before Air Travel to the US

Required for all air passengers two years of age or older boarding a flight from a foreign country to the United States

Updated Jan. 27, 2022

If a country requires pre flight testing, the Airlines will check your test results before they let you board the Aircraft, that is my understanding. 

[Adumbration]

3 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I'm sure landholdings are one of the targets.

 

Pre Covid the tourist industry was probably the major economic activity which was not in the grip of the elites. Covid has provided the excuse for control measures which will ensure that it will end up in that grip.

 

Feudalism in the medieval sense was a society in which labour and services were provided upwards, and the resulting wealth flowed upwards, based on landholdings and agricultural production. A person's status within society , freedoms and prosperity were controlled by the various layers of landowners above them.

 

The more modern feudal society which is being created here ( perhaps we should call it neofeudalism) is designed to produce exactly the same result, but with a more diverse set of activities. Instead of Lords of Manors, Barons and Earls the masters are the heads of businesses, government officials and senior beaurocrats.

 

The chain mail and leather jerkins of the men at arms who kept the medieval lower orders in check has been replaced by the khaki uniforms of civil servants and beaurocrats. Above them, in place of the nobility, are the military higherarchy.

 

 

Well said.  Neofeudalism, as you call it, is the root cause behind most of the problems here.  For example, why is the road accident problem here never addressed.  Answer: just look at who the major shareholders are in the hospital and medical care sectors.

[SoilSpoil]

4 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Why is eliminating pre-flight test, something that could save a family over $USD 1000 dollars "a joke"? 

Because it exposes your family to an airplane full of of potential untested covid carriers. The cost for your family ,once in Thailand, could rise to thoudands of dollars. Thats why.

[Dukeleto]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

The FTI in particular has stated this weekend that they will continue to petition and urge the government to entirely drop the Thailand Pass and test and go process, replacing it with a simple vaccine verification.

Please explain why vaccine verification makes you miraculously fit to enter Thailand? Vaccination does not stop the spread of the virus as clearly seen throughout the world and within Thailand itself. It has already been stated that the current vaccines had no effect on Omicron or Deltacron as they are different to the original virus to those the vaccines were designed if MSM is to be believed. So I ask you with tears in my eyes why this particular condition for entry which is basically endorsing a vaccine passport is still being requested. If that is to going to be the case moving forward then surely covid certification for both Thais and foreigners needs to be applied for restaurants, shopping malls, night club venues etc. Are all Thais who are not vaccinated going to be thrown out of the country? Is there any intelligent people left in this country who can think constructively with out succumbing to mass media hyped hysteria. Just open the damn place to anyone and everyone. I pwomise nothing badsee wadsee will happen!

Edited March 21, 2022 by Dukeleto

[alex8912]

4 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Why is eliminating pre-flight test, something that could save a family over $USD 1000 dollars "a joke"? 

Since the USA uses USD, where  in USA does it cost $1000 for a family to get tested? . Everywhere seems to be free with or without insurance. I was tested March 9 ( PCR ) for free. My Thai friends ( two of them ) were tested a month before for free before returning to Thailand at a drive up CVS. So many places are free in the USA. 

Edited March 21, 2022 by alex8912

[tlcwaterfall]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

"business owners, tourists want"

 

Are that the people who should decide the direction where Thailand goes? Really?

They certainly have a vested interest but they are are also applying some common sense to the situation which is clearly more practical than the governments onerous ongoing restrictions.

Edited March 21, 2022 by tlcwaterfall

[Will B Good]

Business owners here would happily tolerate a mortality rate of over 50% if it meant increased profits.

[alex8912]

12 minutes ago, SoilSpoil said:

Because it exposes your family to an airplane full of of potential untested covid carriers. The cost for your family ,once in Thailand, could rise to thoudands of dollars. Thats why.

The myth of the airplane giving Covid to you is just that. A MYTH. Watch now as airline by airline will drop this foolish mask practice even and what won't happen!  The air is continuously changed and very safe. Much better than any restaurant. Stop believing what sheep believe in. 

Edited March 21, 2022 by alex8912

[alex8912]

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

Business owners here would happily tolerate a mortality rate of over 50% if it meant increased profits.

Half of them would be dead with that ridiculous post! 

[Sqoop]

2 hours ago, mjakob007 said:

Most airlines require PCR testing prior to departure, so passengers wont escape pre-travel testing.

 

So ideally, they should have lifted hotel stay upon arrival, if they were trying to be helpflu.

 

When I came here from NZ in December I had to meet the requirements of my transit countries as well. Australia and Singapore made it difficult and expensive to get here. The airline enforced that,  not the arrival immigration.

[tlcwaterfall]

53 minutes ago, Adumbration said:

@spidermike007 is an intelligent and articulate guy.  But he is off the mark here.  It has nothing to do with puritanism.  The elite are sending as many workaday Thais to the wall as possible with of overall objective of obtaining their land holdings.  

I think you are both correct.

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

The myth of the airplane fining Covid to you is just that. A MYTH. Watch now as airline by airline will drop this foolish practice as are what won't happen!  The air is continuously changed and very safe. Much better than any restaurant. Stop believing what sheep believe in. 

No one knows with any great certainty how safe, or otherwise, you might be from contracting covid on a flight.

 

For every article suggesting it is safe there is another suggesting it isn't.....BAA

[Will B Good]

4 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

Half of them would be dead with that ridiculous post! 

GCSE in Mathematics?.....Well done.

[realfunster]

24 minutes ago, Adumbration said:

Well said.  Neofeudalism, as you call it, is the root cause behind most of the problems here.  For example, why is the road accident problem here never addressed.  Answer: just look at who the major shareholders are in the hospital and medical care sectors.

I can see the merit in the 'neofeudalism' concept as explained but I am not convinced by your argument on this specific issue. Given the general socio-economic mix in Thailand, by definition, most of these traffic victims are motorbike drivers/passengers or middle class/working class car drivers, who will highly likely go to government hospitals. 

 

I see it rather as another aspect of the 'neofeudalism' social contract, the higher ups should not overly harass the working class so as to cause unrest.

This combined with the usual laissez-faire mindset...

[jerrymahoney]

37 minutes ago, SoilSpoil said:

Because it exposes your family to an airplane full of of potential untested covid carriers. The cost for your family ,once in Thailand, could rise to thoudands of dollars. Thats why.

This is a map of AeroMexico non-stop service from European cities plus Istanbul to Mexico City. So everyone on those flights per Mexico entry regs is neither required to be vaccinated at all nor have a PCR test prior to flight.

Edited March 21, 2022 by jerrymahoney

[moe666]

4 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Why is eliminating pre-flight test, something that could save a family over $USD 1000 dollars "a joke"? 

It isn't just so many who post here are clueless, also the time involved to organize the test and getting info back.

Edited March 21, 2022 by moe666

[jacko45k]

Just now, moe666 said:

It isn't just so many who post here are clueless, also the time involved to organize the shot and getting info back.

What shot?

[moe666]

What a lot of people here do not get is government officials are covering their asses from law suits down the road for not doing enough to protect the citizens of Thailand. That is what many are worried about.

[moe666]

5 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

What shot?

My bad, I have had shots on my mind lately. Shots should be test.

[Mr Meeseeks]

5 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

The lifting of a PCR  prior arrival flight was a joke,  this Government has lost the plot, and would appear that they don't want to lift restrictions  and want to continue there tight grip of Thalands citizens.

They know full well mass protests will recommence as soon as restrictions are lifted. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

"business owners, tourists want"

 

Are that the people who should decide the direction where Thailand goes? Really?

No worse than self appointed generals that took power by a military coup. 

[Bangkok Barry]

1 hour ago, Adumbration said:

For example, why is the road accident problem here never addressed.  Answer: just look at who the major shareholders are in the hospital and medical care sectors.

The road accident problem isn't addressed because it is out of control and insoluble. Why?

1 - I have never detected any sign of common sense in a Thai, and I've been living here for over 25 years. I am not sure how you teach that, but anyway there is no movement to do so.

2 - The Thais have a Me First mentality that is deeply ingrained, and that is the last thing you want to see in a driver.

3 - The education system demands that you do not think for yourself but listen and obey, so Thais do not develop the necessary skills to actually think. That may result in my first point above.

4 - Learning to drive in a proper and responsible manner is quite difficult, and Thais do not do difficult. Thais do 'near enough', but on the roads that isn't 'good enough'. One mistake can cost lives, so being lucky enough to get it right most of the time isn't good enough either.

5 - They have absolutely no concept that the vehicle they are attempting to operate is a potential killer. No concept at all.

6 - Along with inadequate teaching of all things about how to drive properly and safely, there is no test to determine if you have reached a standard where you are not a danger to yourself and others before you take to the road.

7 - Thais do not seem able to join the dots, and realise that if, for example, they drive at 120 kms an hour five metres behind the vehicle in front, or drive at night with no rear light (or front light if they are driving on the wrong side of the road because they have no concept of the danger), then they would have no time to react if the vehicle in front brakes suddenly. Ask any Thai what their safe braking distance is and they would have no idea.

8 - There are zero police patrols to help prevent accidents by pulling aside selfish and stupid drivers. Their only presence is setting up road blocks which seems in my experience to have only one purpose - to check your tax disc is in the window and up to date.

9 - Police have absolutely no interest in enforcing the law even when they are static beside the road, watching kids three or four on a bike go by with no helmet, no license, no ability to properly control the bike they are on. And that goes also for the parents and schools who allow Thailand's future to play Russian Roulette every time they go out. The police know they get paid anyway, so why work?

10 - The government does nothing to resolve the road death/accident toll as nothing practically can be done. The problem began decades ago when Thais first began to drive in numbers. No meaningful test was introduced and enforced, and now it is far, far too late. It would mean retraining every driver (and who would do that - it would be similar to those who teach English not being able to speak the language themselves). And it would mean the drivers having to take a proper western-style test before gaining a license. And it would mean police patrols to catch those who drive as if they are playing a video game. Now, anyone can drive as they like and put themselves and others in danger as they know they have zero chance of being caught. They can drive that way with total impunity. And it would require said (non-existent) police to actually enforce the law. And not one of those things is possible in Thailand.

And that is why the government does absolutely nothing to address the problem, as it is out of control and without a fundamental change in the whole of Thai society and culture it cannot be remedied. The government knows that but can't say it.

 

[Bangkok Barry]

33 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

They know full well mass protests will recommence as soon as restrictions are lifted. 

Mass protests have zero effect, as we clearly saw before the restrictions were put in place. The protesters flash their phone lights and the police show up with water cannons.

[mjakob007]

3 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Most airlines do not require pre-flight testing. Please name one.

 

Airlines actually want people to fly. The airlines use the rules of country of destination and country of 

transit.

Qatar, EK, JAL, these are demanding PCR withing 48-72 hours of departure

[FalangTingTong]

3 hours ago, Swampy999 said:

In the past 5 months 8 friends have decided not to come to Thailand

Same for two of my friends, big eaters and drinkers who surely would have chartered a fishing boat for at least one day.

 

They went to Sri Lanka, which required vaxx and a PCR before departure and had absolutely no BS after arrival.  Said they had fun and it was very cheap.

 

So now there are however many planeloads of tourists who have gone to Sri Lanka instead of Thailand and noticed how cheap it is, and I wonder how many of them will choose Thailand in the future after that experience. 

 

 

[Andycoops]

Unfortunately the intellect of the current Muppets in charge is so low that only baby steps can be taken as that is the level they exist in.

All the while, of course, they are immune from any suffering in their hub of greed, as experienced by the rest of society.

[Sydebolle]

5 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

The lifting of a PCR  prior arrival flight was a joke,  this Government has lost the plot, and would appear that they don't want to lift restrictions  and want to continue there tight grip of Thalands citizens.

In addition try to imagine, when Somchai screams "positive" after a twelve hours flight you boarded knowing to be negative - off to the slammer at your (highway robbery tagged) expense and there goes your vacation.

What do these pr1cks in all those committees and working groups with governmental breathing down their necks think, honestly? How stupid can you be?