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Thailand on Tuesday (April 19) reported 16,891 new COVID-19 cases, 24,927 recoveries and 129 additional deaths over the past 24 hours. 

 

Tuesday’s cases bring the total number of COVID-19 infections in Thailand to 4,063,844 with 27,135 deaths.

 

The news comes as Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said Monday that the ministry will closely monitor and assess the COVID-19 situation over the two weeks following the Songkran holiday, to determine whether the existing measures need to be adjusted.

 

He said that it is normal for people to get infected during the long Songkran holidays, because of the extensive travel and the increased chance of close contact with others, but he hopes that most will be safe if they were fully inoculated and the anticipated infection surge will not exceed the capacity of the health system.

 

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5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The 2,104 COVID patients hospitalized in serious condition dropped slightly from the year record-high 2,123 reported yesterday

Of course if people die they are probably in a bad condition in the hospital... If there are more people out of the hospital because they passed away and less people with serious conditions coming in the number of people in the hospitals will decline....The question is died they with Covid of because of the Covid....

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9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The Ministry of Public Health announced some weeks back that they were reviewing and revising their COVID death reporting policies to ensure that only deaths caused by COVID, as determined by the treating doctors, are being reported as such.

 

Thats been posted a few times its a pity people don't take notice of it.

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The U.S. and many Americans there, now with a reversal and once again rising COVID cases, are suffering from COVID fatigue. And it sounds quite a bit like a lot of the comments often heard here:

 

The COVID wave America doesn’t care about: ‘Everybody is sick of COVID’

...

"On Thursday the U.S. had a seven-day [daily] average of nearly 42,000 cases, according to the Johns Hopkins University and Medicine Coronavirus Resource Center dashboard, based on U.S. Department of Health and Human Services data—up 6,000 cases from a week ago and 14,000 cases from two weeks ago.

...

This week Philadelphia announced a return of its mask mandate starting Monday, citing rising cases. It’s a move that seems unlikely at this stage of the pandemic from many other governmental entities, said [Dr. Stuart] Ray, [vice chair of medicine for data integrity and analytics at Johns Hopkins’ Department of Medicine].

 

“At a governmental level it’s increasingly hard to push mandates,” he said. “I get a sense folks don’t have much appetite for broad mandates.”

 

(more)

 

https://fortune.com/2022/04/16/next-covid-wave-probably-here-america-ignoring-everybody-sick-of-covid-delta-omicron-pi-coronavirus-fauci-johns-hopkins-ba1-ba2-variant-voc-voi-wild-type

 

AND

 

Americans shrug off latest rise in Covid cases

 

Politicians show little appetite for further restrictions despite warnings by medical authorities

 

"Covid-19 cases are once more on the rise in the US, but this time there is little impetus for new restrictions or funding to help combat them.

...

Unlike in other waves, however, the US policy response has so far been muted, with Congress still wrangling over $10bn in extra pandemic spending and mask mandates largely abandoned.

 

Dr Ezekiel Emanuel, a medical professor at the University of Pennsylvania and a former Covid adviser to US President Joe Biden, said: “We want this thing to be over, but it is not over. If we do not do things like reintroducing mask mandates it would be a big mistake.”

 

(more)

 

https://www.ft.com/content/49310d3a-dbb6-4ca0-a907-24d03f60c44f

 

 

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5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Were these people hospitalized from covid or hospitalized with other serious conditions but also were covid positive? Same with deaths. Died from or died with?

One has to be careful as some sources in UK were claiming 50% were 'with' Covid or it was incidental and they were attending for other reasons. 

Surely they have to test all incoming patients as isolation procedures would be obligated.

 

Deaths, there are more stats available, one number being within 28 days of a +ve test, also where Covid was included on the death certificate. In early Covid days the latter was higher, and is today. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, smedly said:

it comes down to this, you either believe what they report or don't and that includes all of it, shall we have a vote on who believes and who doesn't

I believe they play down the deaths and numbers as far as possible and that was demonstrated by their new policy. So no I don't believe the numbers are correct.

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From yesterday's update by the Ministry of Public Health:

 

116 of the 124 COVID deaths reported Monday (93%) were people who had NOT received their third dose COVID booster vaccine.

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/544308793854116/?type=3

 

The MoPH will do a similar update regarding today's 129 reported COVID deaths later in the day.  But pretty much every day, the non booster dose COVID deaths have been accounting for 90+% of the daily totals.

 

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11 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

It is not about inflating the cases it is about how much do you believe what the Government tell you...Almost half of the cases of a few weeks back but the deaths are rising.. That does not make much sense... IMO It think it is to scare people more and keep control for making false promises of reopen the country and make it an edemic..

 The official COVID case counts here are far more removed from reality (as in vastly undercounted)...than the death stats ever have been.

 

One government COVID advisor even has publicly said the real daily case counts could be in the 100,000 per day range as opposed to the -+ 25,000 they had been officially reporting.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/ccsa-advisor-claims-thailands-daily-infections-could-be-as-high-as-100000/

 

"Dr. Udom’s estimated figure of 100,000 a day takes into account those who have not been tested and is based on the increasing number of patients on ventilators and with lung inflammations, as well as COVID-related deaths."

 

As I've said many times here, the trends of reported COVID deaths and serious hospitalizations here are a far better indicator of what's going on with COVID in Thailand than the general, official case counts.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

From yesterday's update by the Ministry of Public Health:

 

116 of the 124 COVID deaths reported Monday (93%) were people who had NOT received their third dose COVID booster vaccine.

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/544308793854116/?type=3

 

The MoPH will do a similar update regarding today's 129 reported COVID deaths later in the day.  But pretty much every day, the non booster dose COVID deaths have been accounting for 90+% of the daily totals.

 

How many had 2 jabs, how many were completely unvaccinated?

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1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 The official COVID case counts here are far more removed from reality (as in vastly undercounted)...than the death stats ever have been.

 

One government COVID advisor even has publicly said the real daily case counts could be in the 100,000 per day range as opposed to the -+ 25,000 they had been officially reporting.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/ccsa-advisor-claims-thailands-daily-infections-could-be-as-high-as-100000/

 

"Dr. Udom’s estimated figure of 100,000 a day takes into account those who have not been tested and is based on the increasing number of patients on ventilators and with lung inflammations, as well as COVID-related deaths."

 

As I've said many times here, the trends of reported COVID deaths and serious hospitalizations here are a far better indicator of what's going on with COVID in Thailand than the general, official case counts.

 

 

 

 

At 100,000 a day, that's 3 million a month developing some form of immunity,  most of it hybrid given the large numbers of the population who have had 2 jabs,

 

3 million a month is a little faster than the booster program.....not all bad news.

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9 minutes ago, sungod said:

How many had 2 jabs, how many were completely unvaccinated?

They haven't been reporting those additional details in their daily updates.

 

But they did recently come forth with this:

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1256847-thailand-reports year-high-record total-of-119-new-covid-19-deaths/?do=findComment&comment=17307139

 

The Ministry of Public Health today released data on what it said has been the effectiveness of vaccinations in both preventing COVID infections and deaths during the Omicron wave from January through March, based on tracking data from the Chiang Mai province.

 

Two shots (so-called fully vaccinated): not effective in preventing infections, but did prevent more than 85% of deaths.

 

Three shots including booster: 34% to 68% effective in preventing infections, and 98% to 99% in preventing deaths.

 

Four shots including two boosters: 80% to 82% effective in preventing infections, and no deaths reported thus far among this group.

 

One limitation of the above report is they didn't clearly spell out how much time had passed between the vaccinations and the reported result monitoring.

 

As has been much cited here previously, the vaccines tend to have pretty good rates against infection during the first couple months, but then that protection drops off pretty markedly thereafter.

 

On the other hand, most studies show greater protection (higher percentages) against serious illness and death that doesn't seem to decline as much or as fast as the infection protection. But not a lot of clear data yet on just how long the death/illness protections remain substantial, given the relatively recent arrival of Omicron.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

They haven't been reporting those additional details in their daily updates.

 

But they did recently come forth with this:

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1256847-thailand-reports year-high-record total-of-119-new-covid-19-deaths/?do=findComment&comment=17307139

 

The Ministry of Public Health today released data on what it said has been the effectiveness of vaccinations in both preventing COVID infections and deaths during the Omicron wave from January through March, based on tracking data from the Chiang Mai province.

 

Two shots (so-called fully vaccinated): not effective in preventing infections, but did prevent more than 85% of deaths.

 

Three shots including booster: 34% to 68% effective in preventing infections, and 98% to 99% in preventing deaths.

 

Four shots including two boosters: 80% to 82% effective in preventing infections, and no deaths reported thus far among this group.

 

 

Thanks, based on those stats if 2 shots prevent 85% of deaths, saying 90 odd % of those who died did not have a booster is meaningless.  If someone is not vaccinated then by default they have not had a booster. You cant lump figures like that together.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, sungod said:

Thanks, based on those stats if 2 shots prevent 85% of deaths, saying 90 odd % of those who died did not have a booster is meaningless.  If someone is not vaccinated then by default they have not had a booster. You cant lump figures like that together.

 

they're two different data points that MoPH has issued at different times in different settings. Also, you're not accounting for the time element... how long after two doses does that deaths protection hold? And the MoPH report on that didn't seem to provide a clear time answer.

 

One thing the third dose booster shots do is pretty much restore the infection and death/illness protections that have waned over time back to similar peak levels a person would have just after the two original shots...

 

But without the booster, 6 months after the original shots, they wouldn't still have those same levels of protection. That's why people in general should get boosted, and that's the general advice of public health authorities.

 

And that's probably why MoPH calls out the 3rd dose booster shot issue in their daily COVID death reports, because by now, it's already been a long time since most people received their two original doses...and their best current protection, to the extent it exists, is going to come from a booster shot.

 

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R.B just tweeted this from the government for yesterdays stats.

 

THAI NEWS REPORTS: The government is campaigning to encourage the elderly to get a booster as it will reduce mortality by 31 times. Out of the 124 reported deaths, 109 were elderly or people with underlying diseases who weren’t vaccinated at all or weren’t fully vaccinated.

 

 

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1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 The official COVID case counts here are far more removed from reality (as in vastly undercounted)...than the death stats ever have been.

 

One government COVID advisor even has publicly said the real daily case counts could be in the 100,000 per day range as opposed to the -+ 25,000 they had been officially reporting.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/ccsa-advisor-claims-thailands-daily-infections-could-be-as-high-as-100000/

 

"Dr. Udom’s estimated figure of 100,000 a day takes into account those who have not been tested and is based on the increasing number of patients on ventilators and with lung inflammations, as well as COVID-related deaths."

 

As I've said many times here, the trends of reported COVID deaths and serious hospitalizations here are a far better indicator of what's going on with COVID in Thailand than the general, official case counts.

 

 

 

 

I know and that is not what I mean... Let me tell you a case.. My collegae is 34 years old and she has a problem with the pumpfunction of her heart. In the past months the situation became worse. she could hardly walk 100m and was out of breath because her lungs filled with fluid because of her malfunctioning heart. She would get a surgery in February, but because of the many Covid cases it was delayed. Suppose she got Covid  and as we know it is a lung infection. She has already problems with her lungs because of her heart. and suppose she would die now... Where did she die of than? was it because her heart of because of the Covid?? Happily a few weeks back she had her surgery and is still Covid free and she is doing well .. but it is just a case.... 

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2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The U.S. and many Americans there, now with a reversal and once again rising COVID cases, are suffering from COVID fatigue. And it sounds quite a bit like a lot of the comments often heard here:

 

The COVID wave America doesn’t care about: ‘Everybody is sick of COVID’

...

"On Thursday the U.S. had a seven-day [daily] average of nearly 42,000 cases, according to the Johns Hopkins University and Medicine Coronavirus Resource Center dashboard, based on U.S. Department of Health and Human Services data—up 6,000 cases from a week ago and 14,000 cases from two weeks ago.

...

This week Philadelphia announced a return of its mask mandate starting Monday, citing rising cases. It’s a move that seems unlikely at this stage of the pandemic from many other governmental entities, said [Dr. Stuart] Ray, [vice chair of medicine for data integrity and analytics at Johns Hopkins’ Department of Medicine].

 

“At a governmental level it’s increasingly hard to push mandates,” he said. “I get a sense folks don’t have much appetite for broad mandates.”

 

(more)

 

https://fortune.com/2022/04/16/next-covid-wave-probably-here-america-ignoring-everybody-sick-of-covid-delta-omicron-pi-coronavirus-fauci-johns-hopkins-ba1-ba2-variant-voc-voi-wild-type

 

AND

 

Americans shrug off latest rise in Covid cases

 

Politicians show little appetite for further restrictions despite warnings by medical authorities

 

"Covid-19 cases are once more on the rise in the US, but this time there is little impetus for new restrictions or funding to help combat them.

...

Unlike in other waves, however, the US policy response has so far been muted, with Congress still wrangling over $10bn in extra pandemic spending and mask mandates largely abandoned.

 

Dr Ezekiel Emanuel, a medical professor at the University of Pennsylvania and a former Covid adviser to US President Joe Biden, said: “We want this thing to be over, but it is not over. If we do not do things like reintroducing mask mandates it would be a big mistake.”

 

(more)

 

https://www.ft.com/content/49310d3a-dbb6-4ca0-a907-24d03f60c44f

 

 

The rising cases are mainly in the northeast of the country.  I'm in California,  specifically the Bay Area and our covid situation is stable and some areas the cases have dropped significantly.  90% or more in our region our fully vaccinated and almost 70% are triple vaccinated ( 18 y.o. and up). Most Americans regardless of political views are tired and exhausted from 2 years plus of covid restrictions and masks mandate. Like most of the world we want to move on from this pandemic and get back to doing what we loved. California last month lifted all mask mandate except for medical facilities,  prisons and law enforcement buildings. Schools no longer required masks and soon all public transportation and including planes ( domestic and international) will lift masks mandate as well. Spring is here, the weather is beautiful.  Life is good. 

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32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

THAI NEWS REPORTS: The government is campaigning to encourage the elderly to get a booster as it will reduce mortality by 31 times. Out of the 124 reported deaths, 109 were elderly or people with underlying diseases who weren’t vaccinated at all or weren’t fully vaccinated.

My translation is that graphic is a bit different, in that my reading of it says...

 

of Sunday's 124 new COVID deaths, 109 or 88% were not fully vaccinated (though I'm not sure how they're defining that)

 

And then separately, 123 of those same 124 deaths were EITHER age 60 and above OR people under age 60 with chronic health conditions. The actual numbers for that were 111 deaths age 60 and above, and 12 deaths under age 60 with chronic health conditions.

 

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17 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

they're two different data points that MoPH has issued at different times in different settings. Also, you're not accounting for the time element... how long after two doses does that deaths protection hold? And the MoPH report on that didn't seem to provide a clear time answer.

 

One thing the third dose booster shots do is pretty much restore the infection and death/illness protections that have waned over time back to similar peak levels a person would have just after the two original shots...

 

But without the booster, 6 months after the original shots, they wouldn't still have those same levels of protection. That's why people in general should get boosted, and that's the general advice of public health authorities.

 

And that's probably why MoPH calls out the 3rd dose booster shot issue in their daily COVID death reports, because by now, it's already been a long time since most people received their two original doses...and their best current protection, to the extent it exists, is going to come from a booster shot.

 

I kind of understand, but it really distorts figures, and in this case quite negatively.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

I know and that is not what I mean... Let me tell you a case.. My collegae is 34 years old and she has a problem with the pumpfunction of her heart. In the past months the situation became worse. she could hardly walk 100m and was out of breath because her lungs filled with fluid because of her malfunctioning heart. She would get a surgery in February, but because of the many Covid cases it was delayed. Suppose she got Covid  and as we know it is a lung infection. She has already problems with her lungs because of her heart. and suppose she would die now... Where did she die of than? was it because her heart of because of the Covid?? Happily a few weeks back she had her surgery and is still Covid free and she is doing well .. but it is just a case.... 

Thats where the professionals make judgments not us here on forums.

 

People who manage death reporting systems are actually aware of all of this. Indeed, they build their entire systems to acknowledge that death is not necessarily a simple event, because we need to capture that complexity for a whole variety of reasons (if nothing else, it’s important for legal purposes to know what happened when someone dies). So they detailed death certificates, which capture both the eventual and underlying causes of death as well as comorbidities and significant underlying conditions that may have contributed to a death.

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19 hours ago, BayArea said:

Most Americans regardless of political views are tired and exhausted from 2 years plus of covid restrictions and masks mandate. Like most of the world we want to move on from this pandemic and get back to doing what we loved.

 

I keep hearing that, and then I think back to before I was born of what people went thru during the FIVE years or so of deprivations during the course of World War II (blackouts, food rationing, curfews, huge death and injury tolls, etc etc...). 

 

And it strikes me that too many people nowadays have become too impatient and insistent on quick solutions to problems that aren't always quickly solved, and lack the sustained will and resolve to persevere against adversities, even when it involves following relatively simple protections like wearing face masks and getting vaccine boosters.

 

Nick Beauchamp, assistant professor of political science at Northeastern University... "wishes local authorities would go back to announcing rising cases instead of burying their heads in the sand and remaining silent.

 

And masking is such a small, simple request, he said.

...

“People are like, ‘Oh my god, you’re saying we have to wear masks for three months out of the year?’ The answer is, 'We do that for a few more years, and hopefully we have it under control, it goes down to low case levels.'”

 

https://fortune.com/2022/04/16/next-covid-wave-probably-here-america-ignoring-everybody-sick-of-covid-delta-omicron-pi-coronavirus-fauci-johns-hopkins-ba1-ba2-variant-voc-voi-wild-type

 

As for California:

 

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https://newsnodes.com/us

 

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