26 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

 

Well, your first sentence was correct. But of course the hybrid has real practical benefits, it's not a "feel good" purchase. The benefits are of course reduced fuel costs and avoiding the range anxiety which BEV drivers would have, because you can fuel up a hybrid at any petrol station. You can't do the same with a BEV. A hybrid makes a lot of sense for a lot of people, as the sales figures show.

 

The risk with a Hybrid car is that it catches fire.  They are approximately 130 times more likely to do that than a BEV.

@Cameroni we have indulged your questions about hybrid cars long enough.

 

A 1kWh NiMH battery does not an EV make and this discussion is “EVs in Thailand”
 

Hybrids are 99% ICE cars 

 

Please start your own discussion about hybrids and not try to hijack this discussion.

 

Thank you 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Well, your first sentence was correct. But of course the hybrid has real practical benefits, it's not a "feel good" purchase. The benefits

are of course reduced fuel costs and avoiding the range anxiety which BEV drivers would have, because you can fuel up a hybrid at

any petrol station. You can't do the same with a BEV. A hybrid makes a lot of sense for a lot of people, as the sales figures show.

 

"Why Hybrid Cars Might Be More Expensive in the Long Run:

Hybrid cars, which utilize both electric motors and petrol/diesel engines for power, are often promoted as an eco-friendly choice.

However, these cars may end up costing you more due to their high price and less-than-stellar real-world fuel economy. While hybrids

can be incredibly fuel-efficient in city driving, longer trips on highways may not be as efficient as anticipated."

 

https://vorsprung.com/blogs/blog/why-hybrid-cars-might-be-more-expensive-in-the-long-run?srsltid=AfmBOooyBB20KhAfvNZFkPAR8oXsBA7BJmi4EZ2bTI6Ob6vLvCsAYAKF

 

i'm pretty sure that most hybrid owners have no real understanding of how a hybrid works or how to drive it to get the optimal efficiency.

in my opinion, hybrid cars are a cleverly packaged deception, and no one of the buyers really seems to care about it ... 

 

if you don't mind, i'll borrow your statement: "A hybrid fully electric car makes a lot of sense for a lot of people, as the sales figures show."

 

and by the way, ev owners don't spend much time at petrol stations since 90-95% of charging is done at home,

except for those without a home charger or delivery drivers on the go ... 

 

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

The risk with a Hybrid car is that it catches fire.  They are approximately 130 times more likely to do that than a BEV.

Thai EV fire 🔥 risk: 9.2 fire/billion miles

Tesla global: 5 fire/billion miles

ICE (USA): 55 fire/billion miles

 

1. Tesla 3 - September 20th, 2021, power pole collision Rama 2, Bangkok.

 

2. BYD Atto 3 - January 21st, 2023, house fire, Songkran. Traction battery did not burn.

 

3. BYD Seal - March 14th, 2024, Ratchaburi roll-over.

 

4. Porsche Taycan - May 24th, 2024, battery explosion, Paradise Car Showroom, Bangkok.

 

5. Neta-V - June 11th, 2024, median accident and fire, Saraburi.

 

6. Neta-V - June 12th, 2024, accident and fire at towing area, Tha Phra, Khon Kaen.

 

7. MG ES - June 22nd, 2024, hit axle part on the road, Chonburi motorway.

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

@Cameroni we have indulged your questions about hybrid cars long enough.

 

A 1kWh NiMH battery does not an EV make and this discussion is “EVs in Thailand”
 

Hybrids are 99% ICE cars 

 

Please start your own discussion about hybrids and not try to hijack this discussion.

 

Thank you 

If you don't like hybrids,  why share sales statistics from China including hybrids?? 🤔 

1 hour ago, motdaeng said:

 

"Why Hybrid Cars Might Be More Expensive in the Long Run:

Hybrid cars, which utilize both electric motors and petrol/diesel engines for power, are often promoted as an eco-friendly choice.

However, these cars may end up costing you more due to their high price and less-than-stellar real-world fuel economy. While hybrids

can be incredibly fuel-efficient in city driving, longer trips on highways may not be as efficient as anticipated."

 

https://vorsprung.com/blogs/blog/why-hybrid-cars-might-be-more-expensive-in-the-long-run?srsltid=AfmBOooyBB20KhAfvNZFkPAR8oXsBA7BJmi4EZ2bTI6Ob6vLvCsAYAKF

 

i'm pretty sure that most hybrid owners have no real understanding of how a hybrid works or how to drive it to get the optimal efficiency.

in my opinion, hybrid cars are a cleverly packaged deception, and no one of the buyers really seems to care about it ... 

 

if you don't mind, i'll borrow your statement: "A hybrid fully electric car makes a lot of sense for a lot of people, as the sales figures show."

 

and by the way, ev owners don't spend much time at petrol stations since 90-95% of charging is done at home,

except for those without a home charger or delivery drivers on the go ... 

 

Achtung, zhe Germans has entered the Thai EV stage. 

From outback Australia to the Fatherland hybrids has really expanded the EV horizon of our local team.

Let's go global?

18 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Thai EV fire 🔥 risk: 9.2 fire/billion miles

Tesla global: 5 fire/billion miles

ICE (USA): 55 fire/billion miles

 

1. Tesla 3 - September 20th, 2021, power pole collision Rama 2, Bangkok.

 

2. BYD Atto 3 - January 21st, 2023, house fire, Songkran. Traction battery did not burn.

 

3. BYD Seal - March 14th, 2024, Ratchaburi roll-over.

 

4. Porsche Taycan - May 24th, 2024, battery explosion, Paradise Car Showroom, Bangkok.

 

5. Neta-V - June 11th, 2024, median accident and fire, Saraburi.

 

6. Neta-V - June 12th, 2024, accident and fire at towing area, Tha Phra, Khon Kaen.

 

7. MG ES - June 22nd, 2024, hit axle part on the road, Chonburi motorway.

 

WARNING WILL ROBINSON!

 

BROKEN RECORD ALERT!

24 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

WARNING WILL ROBINSON!

 

BROKEN RECORD ALERT!

Lets tune in to some fresh music 🎶 then, from your part of the Kingdom.

 

I have allowed some reported posts to stay, but please end the off topic, discussion on EV fires there.
 

There was a topic started about EV fires and the risk in car parks. Please continue the discussion there, or I will remove future posts that try to deflect this topic, and add little to this discussion.

Do not also try to posts flame after this decision, by attacking others.

 

Link to other thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/byd-m6-ev-mpv-rever-coming-thailand-9sep-2024/

BYD M6 100% electric car, MPV 6 - 7 seats, launched in Thailand on September 9th! 71.8 kWh battery, runs 530 km. Price less than a million!

 

August 26, 2024

 

 

 

9.9! BYD M6 100% electric car MPV 3 rows of seats, 6 seats, Captain Seat - 7 seats, ready to launch in Thailand on September 9, 2024! LFP Blade Battery 71.8 kWh, runs 530 km. DC charging 115 kW, price less than a million! Size similar to Toyota Innova

 

 

Full Details at: 

https://autolifethailand.tv/byd-m6-ev-mpv-rever-coming-thailand-9sep-2024/

1 hour ago, Pib said:

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/byd-m6-ev-mpv-rever-coming-thailand-9sep-2024/

BYD M6 100% electric car, MPV 6 - 7 seats, launched in Thailand on September 9th! 71.8 kWh battery, runs 530 km. Price less than a million!

 

August 26, 2024

 

 

 

9.9! BYD M6 100% electric car MPV 3 rows of seats, 6 seats, Captain Seat - 7 seats, ready to launch in Thailand on September 9, 2024! LFP Blade Battery 71.8 kWh, runs 530 km. DC charging 115 kW, price less than a million! Size similar to Toyota Innova

 

 

 

Full Details at: 

https://autolifethailand.tv/byd-m6-ev-mpv-rever-coming-thailand-9sep-2024/

Wow, that looks great. That, with six proper armchairs (ventilated front seat too), glass roof, all that tech, 0-100km in 8.6s, and silent motoring for 530kms for less than a million baht! Or a Toyota Innova with erm, plasticky interior, noisy 0-100kms of 10.4 seconds for nearly 1.5m baht!  Oh yeah but it's got revolutionary self charging hybrid technology!

So you could get the BYD M6 and a Neta V for the price of the equivalent Toyota. Mental.

I would definitely be tempted by that to replace the wife's HR-V which is getting on now (8-9 years old).

19 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

I already did.

 

Many hybrid systems will run the gas engine at a higher speed than needed, but one that's efficient, and use the extra power to run a motor-generator that can then feed power to the battery or directly to a traction motor. 

 

Yes, in the city the hybrid saves even more fuel, but the hybrid is more economical on long distances too: 

 

Take the 2025 Honda Civic Hybrid as an example; it uses the same 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine as the nonhybrid Civic but swaps in a hybrid transmission packing a pair of electric motors. The nonhybrid model's best fuel-economy ratings are 32 mpg in the city and 41 on the highway. Adding the hybrid gear raises both figures, which come in at 50 mpg in the city and 47 on the highway. So while the city number gets a bigger boost and surpasses the highway figure thanks to the hybrid system, the hybrid has a fuel-economy benefit regardless of where and how it's driven.

 

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a61730444/are-hybrids-good-for-long-distance-driving/

Ohh, I get it now, it’s like a perpetual motion machine ?

On 8/21/2024 at 4:52 PM, ExpatOilWorker said:

Tesla makes their own batteries, right?

How come they are not in ur list?

From Nasdaq.com: What company makes Tesla's batteries? Tesla works with multiple battery suppliers, including Panasonic, its longtime partner, as well as LG Energy Solutions, the second largest battery supplier in the world. They supply the EV maker with cells containing nickel and cobalt.

On 8/21/2024 at 3:15 PM, Yellowtail said:

AKA station wagon

Still with those silly large wheels and higher ground clearance. Plus higher center of gravity.

I'd buy a regular hatchback or sedan anytime over a SUV

On 8/29/2024 at 12:27 AM, HighPriority said:

Ohh, I get it now, it’s like a perpetual motion machine ?

 

I see comedy is a hobby. Don't give up the day job, just in case.

2 minutes ago, CLW said:

Still with those silly large wheels and higher ground clearance. Plus higher center of gravity.

I'd buy a regular hatchback or sedan anytime over a SUV

 

Yes, everyone hates higher ground clearance. What a horrible advantage to have on the roads.

5 minutes ago, CLW said:

Still with those silly large wheels and higher ground clearance. Plus higher center of gravity.

I'd buy a regular hatchback or sedan anytime over a SUV

 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, everyone hates higher ground clearance. What a horrible advantage to have on the roads.

 

I don't like SUV's either.

On 8/29/2024 at 5:27 AM, HighPriority said:

Ohh, I get it now, it’s like a perpetual motion machine ?

 

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I see comedy is a hobby. Don't give up the day job, just in case.

 

I'll take comedy over ignorance any day.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

I'll take comedy over ignorance any day.

 

You must not get on well with yourself then. Weren't you the one ignorantly claiming so many falsehoods in that other thread?

25 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

You must not get on well with yourself then. Weren't you the one ignorantly claiming so many falsehoods in that other thread?

 

You're still hallucinating 

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

I'll take comedy over ignorance any day.

You are most welcome.

 

4 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

You are most welcome.

 

 

Stop embarrassing yourself ... just go away ... PLEASE

 

 Tesla Model S Plaid beats Nurburgring recordTesla has surpassed its own record for electric production cars around the iconic Nurburgring  Nordschleife circuit

12 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Bloggy, I hate to break it to you, but humor is not to be taken at face value.

 

You have a sense of humor?

37 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You have a sense of humor?

Affirmative, that is how I laugh off all the fake EV propaganda posted here. 

18 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Yes, driving at maximum throttle over a hilly 20kms is going to hammer the battery just as it would hammer the fuel tank of a high performance ICEV,

 

Absolute garbage. Literally lies. Countless ICE vehicles have done the  Nuernburg Ring course without the fuel tank causing issues. Literally thousands.

 

However, the electric Tesla flagship tries it and the brakes are on fire and the car massively overheats.

 

Clearly, electric cars are not what they're cracked up to be. Real life testing proves it.

 

 

https://www.drive.com.au/news/video-tesla-model-3-performance-nurburgring/

 

Big discount for the Mg Hs Phev

 

https://www.car250.com/mg-hs-phev-thai-2024-1.html

46 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

You've lost me

A lost EV soul wondering in darkness.

Let me guide your way sweet summer child.

This gloat fix is on me.

BeYond Discount or as coined by Pib the 1,000 lbs gorilla, had $1.27 billion profit on 986.720 vehicle deliveries in Q2 2024 or $1,287 profit/vehicle. Not bad at all.

 

Our earlier exchange on the subject.

 

Troll accusations and replies removed.

Please don't call each other names.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

Absolute garbage. Literally lies. Countless ICE vehicles have done the  Nuernburg Ring course without the fuel tank causing issues. Literally thousands.

 

However, the electric Tesla flagship tries it and the brakes are on fire and the car massively overheats.

 

Clearly, electric cars are not what they're cracked up to be. Real life testing proves it.

 

 

https://www.drive.com.au/news/video-tesla-model-3-performance-nurburgring/

 

"Real life testing" is driving flat out around the Nurburgring?? Really??

Again you are talking rubbish. A Nissan GT-R uses almost half a tank on a flying lap. (Same as the Tesla used almost half its battery).

A BMW 135i uses about a quarter of a tank on a lap, as does a Subaru Impreza WRX STi.

I have no comment on the Tesla's brakes - maybe they are not very good.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Absolute garbage. Literally lies. Countless ICE vehicles have done the  Nuernburg Ring course without the fuel tank causing issues. Literally thousands.

 

However, the electric Tesla flagship tries it and the brakes are on fire and the car massively overheats.

 

Clearly, electric cars are not what they're cracked up to be. Real life testing proves it.

 

 

https://www.drive.com.au/news/video-tesla-model-3-performance-nurburgring/

 

From your silly link ... 

"About 30 seconds later – as the car reaches speeds in excess of 200km/h"

 

So, if I drive the speed limit, if possible, say 90 kph on most highways in TH, do you think I'll be OK ????????

 

Only asking as you seem to be an BEV expert with lots of experience ...