Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[ExpatOilWorker]

52 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Really ... and who would that be.   

 

If you can do all your local driving, and exploring on the battery of a PHEV, I'd consider that an EV.  If I had one, unless going O&A, non locally, I'd never need the ICE part, as everything needed is within 5 kms of house, and a radius of 35-50 kms would meet any thing else wanted.   And I live in Nakhon Nowhere compared to urban living.

 

Not so sure I'd consider the HEVs an EV, with their 1-3kWh battery.  

 

EVs in TH ... TH not even on you graph .. 🙄

Since the beginning of time only BEVs were considered EVs in Thailand 🇹🇭. 

I have a sneaking suspicion that it is hybrids excellent ability to burst into flames 🔥 that was the reason they were not initially associated with EVs.

You can contact @JBChiangRai,  he is the expert on inflated hybrid fire 🔥 data.

 

[DavisH]

11 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

I hope you’re not waiting for the Toyota solid state batteries…

I will look at anything with 1000KM. Until then I can wait. Our current cars are good for another 10+ years, s no need to change to anything else yet. 

[JBChiangRai]

8 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I admire your patience in responding to his trollish posts. Anyone who, lives in and drives around most of the major cities in Thailand can see more and more new EVs on the roads. Out of every 10 new vehicles I see in CM, I would say at least 2-3 are EVs.

 

EOW either doesn’t want to acknowledge that or like those who say that there isn’t a decent public charging network, they just can’t see what the real situation is.

 

There are none so blind as those who do not want to see

[bkknirvana]

Buying an EV is the motoring equivalent of taking an experimental shot from a company that tried to hide trial data for 70 years.

[KhunLA]

1 minute ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Since the beginning of time only BEVs were considered EVs in Thailand 🇹🇭. 

I have a sneaking suspicion that it is hybrids excellent ability to burst into flames 🔥 that was the reason they were not initially associated with EVs.

You can contact @JBChiangRai,  he is the expert on inflated hybrid fire 🔥 data.

 

When referencing fires, if not distinguishing between PHEV (very high #s) & BEV (rare), then it would be deceptive if simply taking the total.

 

They should also distinguish between ICEV fires, those reported stolen, vs simply parked by the owner or being driven at the time.   Many, (all probably) insurance claims of stolen auto that end in a fire, are probably purposely set.  Not fair to be lumped in with stats of auto fires.

[ExpatOilWorker]

11 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I admire your patience in responding to his trollish posts. Anyone who, lives in and drives around most of the major cities in Thailand can see more and more new EVs on the roads. Out of every 10 new vehicles I see in CM, I would say at least 2-3 are EVs.

 

EOW either doesn’t want to acknowledge that or like those who say that there isn’t a decent public charging network, they just can’t see what the real situation is.

Gman, nice to see you again. I do acknowledge that EV are selling like hot cakes in Thailand and that the Thai charcking infrastructure is more than adequate, actually it is world class and very impressive. 

My interest is where will it end, when the dust settled. The Chinese EV manufacturers are whining like babies while at the same time they are dumping prices out of desperation to sell their vehicles.  Something will eventually break.

I am all for honest and factual information and data. Cherry 🍒 picking and propaganda, not so much.

This is Central World today, you want to join and kick some tires?

 

[KhunLA]

7 minutes ago, DavisH said:

I will look at anything with 1000KM. Until then I can wait. Our current cars are good for another 10+ years, s no need to change to anything else yet. 

Who the hell needs 1000 kms range on any vehicle.  Very few ICEVs can manage that, unless having an auxiliary fuel tank.  On Thai roads, IF you could average 80 kph, that would be 12+ hours.

 

After 3hrs, I'm ready for a stop, stretch, P & a munch.  As is the dog & wife, and we don't even have kids, wanting to stop every hour.  TBH, lucky to make 3 hrs without the wife or dog wanting to stop.   So simply top up while there.  No different than having an ICEV.

 

Well, I'll tell you .... I'm never buying another car, until they come with a chauffer, catered w/full bar.  

[KhunLA]

6 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Gman, nice to see you again. I do acknowledge that EV are selling like hot cakes in Thailand and that the Thai charcking infrastructure is more than adequate, actually it is world class and very impressive. 

 

 

 

My interest is where will it end, when the dust settled. The Chinese EV manufacturers are whining like babies while at the same time they are dumping prices out of desperation to sell their vehicles.  Something will eventually break.

I am all for honest and factual information and data. Cherry 🍒 picking and propaganda, not so much.

This is Central World today, you want to join and kick some tires?

PRAISE BUDDHA ... I'm printing that off on adhesive paper and attaching it to the toilet.  

 

What next ... trading in that 18 yr ol' dinosaur polluter and getting an MG4 or Seal performance model 

Edited September 15 by KhunLA

[ExpatOilWorker]

The GWM Tank is an ultra minor HEV with a tiny 1.7 kWh battery.

 

[CapraIbex]

1 hour ago, DavisH said:

Have you got a solar system at home? How much was the installation? I haven't done that yet, but a quick browse saw numbers like 200K-500K baht for a solar system for the home. No EV yet, as I'm waiting to see what the future brings in terms of battery performance an lifespan. Solid state batteries are being developed and should give 1000km range. 

No, I don’t have a fully installed solar system at home yet. I’m planning to start with a small setup primarily to charge the EV, and gradually expand it by adding more panels later to support major power consumers like air conditioning units and water heaters.

You might want to PM KhunLA for an estimated price, as I understand he used a contractor for his solar installation and is more than willing to assist.

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, DavisH said:

Have you got a solar system at home? How much was the installation? I haven't done that yet, but a quick browse saw numbers like 200K-500K baht for a solar system for the home. No EV yet, as I'm waiting to see what the future brings in terms of battery performance an lifespan. Solid state batteries are being developed and should give 1000km range. 

Check out @atpeace solar thread here

https://aseannow.com/topic/1335820-just-installed-77-kwpv-and-62-kw-inverter/

He mentions prices of B85K without Batteries and B130K with batteries

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

4 hours ago, CapraIbex said:

Some posters may dismiss these concerns as FUD, but I’m not entirely convinced that the risks should be overlooked.

For the record, my next car will be an EV, charged by solar power. However, I plan to take additional safety precautions, such as parking it at a safe distance from my house.

From my profile pic you will see that I have solar and park very close to my house. 
 

I would recommend an LFP battery, I bought one from BYD with nearly 600km of range and fast 150kW charging 

 

 

[HighPriority]

Article discussing CATL’s new batteries and 10 year/600k miles warrantee. 
 

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/CATL-starts-delivery-of-EV-batteries-with-600-000-miles-warranty-that-can-last-15-years.888702.0.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1Ra9jHAgIzaVv3SIyrvtXiSYeUOkB7ElF0Omgo1SLMg_3BE7zigwzphPw_aem_tpdZ04m-RUMQWNYOAS-wtg

[metisdead]

An off topic post and a reply about EV fires in China have been removed as this topic is about:

 

Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[CapraIbex]

21 minutes ago, metisdead said:

An off topic post and a reply about EV fires in China have been removed as this topic is about:

 

Electric Vehicles in Thailand

There is no difference between EV's in Thailand and China.

Maybe this link is more appropriate

 

 

Edited September 16 by CapraIbex
added and appropriate link concerning battery fires in THAILAND

[Bandersnatch]

36 minutes ago, CapraIbex said:

45 minutes ago, metisdead said:

 

There is no difference between EV's in Thailand and China.

Maybe this link is more appropriate

There is already a discussion about EV fires, please use it if you don’t want to reply directly to the discussion that you quoted 

 

 

Edited September 16 by Bandersnatch

[CapraIbex]

On 4/21/2022 at 9:33 AM, Bandersnatch said:

This is a discussion about EVs available or coming to Thailand.

Oh, but let's definitely not talk about the core of the vehicle—you know, the thing that actually powers everything and moves it from point A to point B—because that’s totally off-topic. I guess next we'll have separate threads for the windscreen wipers and the door handles, right?

[JBChiangRai]

29 minutes ago, CapraIbex said:

Oh, but let's definitely not talk about the core of the vehicle—you know, the thing that actually powers everything and moves it from point A to point B—because that’s totally off-topic. I guess next we'll have separate threads for the windscreen wipers and the door handles, right?

 

Can I have some of what you're smoking?

[Bandersnatch]

34 minutes ago, CapraIbex said:

Oh, but let's definitely not talk about the core of the vehicle—you know, the thing that actually powers everything and moves it from point A to point B—because that’s totally off-topic. I guess next we'll have separate threads for the windscreen wipers and the door handles, right?

 

Trolls regularly join this discussion and try to hijack it by turning it into a discussion about EV fires or some rumor about something that might have happened to a possible EV in China.

 

My experience is that such trolls are generally poorly informed about the facts about EVs and just believe the disinformation produced by the fossil fuel industry, legacy automakers and far right conspiracy nuts without question.

 

After over 8.5k posts here we are pretty bored trying to talk sense into these people. 

 

There is a discussion for EV v ICE cars.

There is a discussion for EV and ICE car fires.

There is a discussion about why all Chinese cars are rubbish.

 

If that’s what you want to talk about, please join one of those discussions.

 

If you have a sensible question about EVs in Thailand then ask it here, otherwise you will quickly find yourself being ignored. 

[CapraIbex]

24 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Trolls regularly join this discussion and try to hijack it by turning it into a discussion about EV fires or some rumor about something that might have happened to a possible EV in China.

 

My experience is that such trolls are generally poorly informed about the facts about EVs and just believe the disinformation produced by the fossil fuel industry, legacy automakers and far right conspiracy nuts without question.

 

After over 8.5k posts here we are pretty bored trying to talk sense into these people. 

 

There is a discussion for EV v ICE cars.

There is a discussion for EV and ICE car fires.

There is a discussion about why all Chinese cars are rubbish.

 

If that’s what you want to talk about, please join one of those discussions.

 

If you have a sensible question about EVs in Thailand then ask it here, otherwise you will quickly find yourself being ignored. 

I didn’t troll, ask a question, or make an uninformed comment about EV batteries. I raised a legitimate safety concern that Thailand is certainly not immune to. Yet here you are, letting your arrogance shine through once again. Honestly, what kind of mature person calls for a moderator to remove a post about a serious safety issue? It’s mind-boggling.
I see here endless debates over sales figures—'Your numbers don't match mine!'—or the riveting discovery that 'Oh, you must've sourced those from somewhere else.' Then there’s the constant tallying of EV charging stations, plus enough EV ads to make you wonder if some posters are secretly on a corporate payroll. But somehow, discussing EV batteries is off-limits. And let’s not forget the chest-thumping: 'I used to have two Porsches,' 'a massive Mercedes,' or 'I own multiple EVs, so clearly they’re the best!'—all perfectly on-topic, naturally.

[motdaeng]

39 minutes ago, CapraIbex said:

But somehow, discussing EV batteries is off-limits.

 

this thread is to discussion about electric vehicles in thailand. you are very welcome to discuss about ev's  / battery / charging etc ... you and everyone else will get very value answers from experienced ev owner ...

 

please don't hijack this topic with car fires, as there is a separate thread for that. it seems the moderator's decision to keep this thread focused was the right thing to do. 

[motdaeng]

59 minutes ago, CapraIbex said:

I see here endless debates over sales figures—'Your numbers don't match mine!'—or the riveting discovery that 'Oh, you must've sourced those from somewhere else.

 

on this point, i do agree with you ... i also love numbers but it has his limits ... but some members seems to be obsessed with numbers 

Edited September 16 by motdaeng

[DavisH]

On 9/15/2024 at 2:18 PM, KhunLA said:

Who the hell needs 1000 kms range on any vehicle.  Very few ICEVs can manage that, unless having an auxiliary fuel tank.  On Thai roads, IF you could average 80 kph, that would be 12+ hours.

 

After 3hrs, I'm ready for a stop, stretch, P & a munch.  As is the dog & wife, and we don't even have kids, wanting to stop every hour.  TBH, lucky to make 3 hrs without the wife or dog wanting to stop.   So simply top up while there.  No different than having an ICEV.

 

Well, I'll tell you .... I'm never buying another car, until they come with a chauffer, catered w/full bar.  

Because that is my requirement. 300-400K just doesn't cut it. Heck, my crv has an 800km+ range and usually refill at 600-700K. Why settle for a pathetic 300+K. EV's are supposed to be better right? So why settle for less?

[JBChiangRai]

2 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Because that is my requirement. 300-400K just doesn't cut it. Heck, my crv has an 800km+ range and usually refill at 600-700K. Why settle for a pathetic 300+K. EV's are supposed to be better right? So why settle for less?

 

Are you saying you drive 600-700k without a break?  Or are you saying you make journeys every day but only go to the dino juice store every 600-700k?

[JBChiangRai]

18 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Are you saying you drive 600-700k without a break?  Or are you saying you make journeys every day but only go to the dino juice store every 600-700k?

 

@ExpatOilWorker you posted a "confused" emoji, what is it that confuses you, I will be glad to explain it to you?

[Gweiloman]

17 hours ago, DavisH said:

Because that is my requirement. 300-400K just doesn't cut it. Heck, my crv has an 800km+ range and usually refill at 600-700K. Why settle for a pathetic 300+K. EV's are supposed to be better right? So why settle for less?

I understand where you’re coming from but that’s the mindset of a non EV owner. Unless you are driving 400-500 kms everyday at relatively high speeds, you almost never have to charge your car during the day (we are talking about decent EVs with a real world range of 400-500 kms, not obsolete EVs like the Nissan Leaf). Then, when you get home, you plug the charger in, much like you would do a pump nozzle and that’s it. No need to stop off at a petrol station, no need to wait around for an attendant to plonk a sign on your bonnet, no need to wait for the car to fill up, no need to wait for payment to be processed, no need to look right (and left for oncoming motorcyclists coming towards you) before joining traffic and driving off. This scenario works for most people.
 

Just yesterday for eg, I set off for Pai from CM with about 95% charge. Had previously only ever done this trip in ICEVs. What a difference in ride quality and smoothness. Immediate response from the throttle, no gear changes, no engine strain especially at uphill switchbacks, hardly needed to use my breaks except on very steep sections. It was a blazing hot day so my aircon was never turned off, even when we were stopped for lunch and later at a friend’s house. Got back to CM with over 30% charge. No dramas whatsoever. From this owner’s perspective, this EV is definitely better than an ICEV.

 

If however range is of major concern, then you should stick to an ICE. You might also want to consider the possibility of adding additional auxiliary fuel tanks to your car or swapping out the OEM tank with a larger capacity one. Or maybe swap to a 6 wheeler which I believe has a range of 1500 - 2,000 kms.

[Gweiloman]

17 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

@ExpatOilWorker you posted a "confused" emoji, what is it that confuses you, I will be glad to explain it to you?

Even then, I doubt he would understand, given his past record.

[JBChiangRai]

18 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

@ExpatOilWorker you posted a "confused" emoji, what is it that confuses you, I will be glad to explain it to you?

 

51 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Even then, I doubt he would understand, given his past record.

 

He probably thinks plastering confused emoji's on all my posts makes him look intelligent.

 

What do you think?

 

Cue: confused emoji

[JBChiangRai]

52 minutes ago, CapraIbex said:

I did not hijack anything! I raised a legitimate safety concern about EVs, specifically the risk of battery fires. If, for instance, a steering wheel becomes unresponsive or car doors fly open while driving—especially if this happens frequently—that’s a serious issue in anyone's book. Given its relevance, it absolutely deserves to be posted here. Being accused of trolling and uninformed by this whining, condescending, self-important original poster is exhausting indeed and beyond ridiculous.

 

Anything to do with EV fires is not welcome on this thread, it's not because of you but rather others who raise it and one troll in particular who tries to raise it regularly only for the mods to delete it and warn him.

 

Be happy to know that EV's are about a dozen times LESS likely to catch fire than most ICE cars and 130 times LESS likely to catch fire than (say) a Toyota or Honda Hybrid.

 

If you want to debate, there is a thread specifically for it.

[Yellowtail]

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Anything to do with EV fires is not welcome on this thread, it's not because of you but rather others who raise it and one troll in particular who tries to raise it regularly only for the mods to delete it and warn him.

 

Be happy to know that EV's are about a dozen times LESS likely to catch fire than most ICE cars and 130 times LESS likely to catch fire than (say) a Toyota or Honda Hybrid.

 

If you want to debate, there is a thread specifically for it.

Yes, only positive posts about EVs in Thailand are welcome here.