30 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The Thai EV market is not totally dead with strong registrations in February. 

That said, February 2025 registrations are actually lower than February 2023 registrations numbers.

 

Self made?

Sign of things to come ...

 

"PT prepares to launch the PT GIGA EV electric car charging station, which does not sell fuel in the station. It will include a full service of ATI, Thai coffee, Subway and Autobacs, including a waiting stop during charging. It is expected to be opened in mid 2568"

 

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/pt-giga-ev-station/

https://electrek.co/2025/03/06/toyotas-cheapest-ev-china-crashes-server-starting-at-15000/

 

Looks like Toyota is back in the game...

 

I doubt they will be selling it in Thailand anytime soon though, still not enough competition in the Thai market and they can still sell plenty of their outdated ICE models here.

The issue is it's not really a Toyota.

 

It does nothing to keep Toyota profitable, if they sold all of these and none of their legacy cars they would have to shut all their factories.

 

Things will start happening for Toyota when we see them convert their existing factories to EV.

 

It is however a step in the right direction.

59 minutes ago, matchar said:

https://electrek.co/2025/03/06/toyotas-cheapest-ev-china-crashes-server-starting-at-15000/

 

Looks like Toyota is back in the game...

 

I doubt they will be selling it in Thailand anytime soon though, still not enough competition in the Thai market and they can still sell plenty of their outdated ICE models here.

Hopefully the wheels won't fall off, and they'll actually submit the real production cars for the safety test  

On 2/27/2025 at 3:47 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

A Mud Grinder in its natural habitat. 

 

23 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

A Mud Grinder in its natural habitat. 

 

Sad…

I think crude oil has addled somebody's brain.

See below Autolife 10 Mar 2025 media release for full details regarding Jan and Feb 2025 100% electric/BEV R.Y.1 vehicle category registrations.

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-register-feb-2025-thailand/

 

Note that in "January," 1 of  every 5 newly registered vehicles in the R.Y.1 vehicle category was a 100% electric BEV vehicle....a good start to the year....result of end of 2024 promotions I guess.  January was a BIG month for BEVs.    BYD Dolphin and BYD Sealion 7 are the number 1 and 2, respectively, most registered BEVs so far in 2025 with the MG4 Electric coming in at 3rd and closely followed by the Deepal S07 in 4th position.

 

Total registrations of 100% electric vehicles in Thailand in February 2025 totaled 5,164 units | Decreased by -58.3% compared to the previous month and increased by 42.1% compared to the same period of the previous year. BYD Dolphin is the champion, followed by AION V / ORA Good Cat / MG 4 / AION HYPTEC HT

 

Total car registrations in the 100% electric vehicle group (BEV: Battery Electric Vehicle) in January 2025 total 12,376 cars (accounting for 22.1% of the total car registrations in Thailand, R.Y.1, totaling 55,923 cars)

 

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/EV_feb_2025_table-for-facebook.jpg

1 hour ago, Pib said:

See below Autolife 10 Mar 2025 media release for full details regarding Jan and Feb 2025 100% electric/BEV R.Y.1 vehicle category registrations.

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-register-feb-2025-thailand/

 

Note that in "January," 1 of  every 5 newly registered vehicles in the R.Y.1 vehicle category was a 100% electric BEV vehicle....a good start to the year....result of end of 2024 promotions I guess.  January was a BIG month for BEVs.    BYD Dolphin and BYD Sealion 7 are the number 1 and 2, respectively, most registered BEVs so far in 2025 with the MG4 Electric coming in at 3rd and closely followed by the Deepal S07 in 4th position.

 

Total registrations of 100% electric vehicles in Thailand in February 2025 totaled 5,164 units | Decreased by -58.3% compared to the previous month and increased by 42.1% compared to the same period of the previous year. BYD Dolphin is the champion, followed by AION V / ORA Good Cat / MG 4 / AION HYPTEC HT

 

Total car registrations in the 100% electric vehicle group (BEV: Battery Electric Vehicle) in January 2025 total 12,376 cars (accounting for 22.1% of the total car registrations in Thailand, R.Y.1, totaling 55,923 cars)

 

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/EV_feb_2025_table-for-facebook.jpg

 

Eat your heart out oily!

1 hour ago, Pib said:

See below Autolife 10 Mar 2025 media release for full details regarding Jan and Feb 2025 100% electric/BEV R.Y.1 vehicle category registrations.

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-register-feb-2025-thailand/

 

Note that in "January," 1 of  every 5 newly registered vehicles in the R.Y.1 vehicle category was a 100% electric BEV vehicle....a good start to the year....result of end of 2024 promotions I guess.  January was a BIG month for BEVs.    BYD Dolphin and BYD Sealion 7 are the number 1 and 2, respectively, most registered BEVs so far in 2025 with the MG4 Electric coming in at 3rd and closely followed by the Deepal S07 in 4th position.

 

Total registrations of 100% electric vehicles in Thailand in February 2025 totaled 5,164 units | Decreased by -58.3% compared to the previous month and increased by 42.1% compared to the same period of the previous year. BYD Dolphin is the champion, followed by AION V / ORA Good Cat / MG 4 / AION HYPTEC HT

 

Total car registrations in the 100% electric vehicle group (BEV: Battery Electric Vehicle) in January 2025 total 12,376 cars (accounting for 22.1% of the total car registrations in Thailand, R.Y.1, totaling 55,923 cars)

 

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/EV_feb_2025_table-for-facebook.jpg

BYD's downfall started 13 months ago. They now have falling sales in 10 of the last 13 months.

Brand loyalty is a shallow pond in the muddy waters of Chinese car manufacturing. 

Summary: 

ALL car sales have been down in the past months, up to approximately 18 months ago. 

 

So OilWorkers point that 'EV' Car sales are down is accurate, but he deliberately and conveniently  avoids another truth because it contradicts his rhetoric. 

 

ICE sales are down more than EV sales - this as a % of the yearly market share, EV sales have increased.

 

I'm really not sure what the underlying agenda is here...   its fairly simple - Sales are down, EV sales have been impacted less so than ICE sales - thats about it.

Had to take the Sealion 7 back to BYD Mukdahan today as  the rear roof plastic panel was not fitted correctly. There was a 3 to 5mm difference in the fitting between the left and right sides.

I was a bit peeed off as I initially thought it was the roof panel that was the problem and I had visions of guys with blunt screwdrivers and hammers fixing the problem.

Bit difficult for wifey to see when she picked it up a couple of weeks ago.

Mechanics got out the computer and I guess they checked the panel installation diagrams before repairing, which was a good sign.

That fixed they connected the car to the computer and checked everything, before washing and cleaning the car as part of the service.

I also got some tips on the info system and how to change languages. I'm going to stick with Thai once I'm reasonably sure of the Thai/English equivelant.

Wifey is still fairly scared of experimenting but we've started going to different chargers to see what to do.

I can see a new phone coming up for Sup as hers doesn't have the magnetic charging.

Really love the car and the different people we meet at charging stations are very helpful. 🙂

 

 

21 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

BYD's downfall started 13 months ago. They now have falling sales in 10 of the last 13 months.

Brand loyalty is a shallow pond in the muddy waters of Chinese car manufacturing. 

 

BYD sales "within" Thailand may be down compared to the overall Thailand BEV market but on a worldwide basis BYD sales are booming...growing....a 41% increase from 2023 to 2024.   

 

And regarding BYD sales in Thailand, well, there is ton more competition...a bigger, wider choice of BEV brands to choose from...many more brands in Thailand now compared to a year or so ago.   But BYD is still the 800 pound guerilla in Thailand for overall BEV sales.

 

And let's not forget falling sales for ICE and EV in Thailand over the last year or so due to high household debt, much tougher financing rules, etc.

 

 

https://tridenstechnology.com/byd-sales-statistics/#:~:text=BYD sold a record 4%2C272%2C145,claiming the Global Sales Champion!&text=Battery electric vehicle (BEV) sales,%2C up 12.1% from 2023.

11 minutes ago, carlyai said:

Really love the car and the different people we meet at charging stations are very helpful.

 

Is this like an EV equivalent of dogging or something ?????   

 

Can't say I've ever had conversation with anyone at an EV charging station, or a petrol station for that matter...   

 

..... Whats the converstation starter ???...   "Mine seems to be taking the whole load, I'll done in a jiffy what about yours ?"

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

ICE sales are down more than EV sales - this as a % of the yearly market share, EV sales have increased.

The numbers are showing a bit of a mixed bag at the moment. In the last 12 months BEV sales as a fraction of all vehicle sales have fallen in 6 out of 12 months YoY.

4 out of the last 6 months have seen the fraction of BEV falling YoY.

Time will tell, but it could be that we have reached a BEV saturation point around 20%.

11 hours ago, carlyai said:

Had to take the Sealion 7 back to BYD Mukdahan today as  the rear roof plastic panel was not fitted correctly. There was a 3 to 5mm difference in the fitting between the left and right sides.

I was a bit peeed off as I initially thought it was the roof panel that was the problem and I had visions of guys with blunt screwdrivers and hammers fixing the problem.

Bit difficult for wifey to see when she picked it up a couple of weeks ago.

Mechanics got out the computer and I guess they checked the panel installation diagrams before repairing, which was a good sign.

That fixed they connected the car to the computer and checked everything, before washing and cleaning the car as part of the service.

I also got some tips on the info system and how to change languages. I'm going to stick with Thai once I'm reasonably sure of the Thai/English equivelant.

Wifey is still fairly scared of experimenting but we've started going to different chargers to see what to do.

I can see a new phone coming up for Sup as hers doesn't have the magnetic charging.

Really love the car and the different people we meet at charging stations are very helpful. 🙂

 

 

 

i've had my sealion 7 for about seven weeks now, and it meets my needs while living up to my expectations. the software could use some improvements, but i'm confident future updates will refine many aspects ...

 

i've tested charging with different providers, and most of the time, it was smooth sailing. i did encounter a few minor hiccups, but nothing major. i'm excited for my upcoming long road/hoiday  trip (2,000–4,000 km) without charging concerns, because they are penty of chargers everywhere ...

 

for my wife, i've adjusted all the vehicle settings to make driving feel almost identical to her petrol car. for her, the key features are climate control, seat memory, "gear  and P" selection, and starting or stopping the car ... so far so good ...

 

wishing you lots of fun and a great drive with your sealion 7 ...

 

@motdaeng thank you. 

Great you made the car more comfortable for your wife. 

The car is a bit intimidating as our first EV. 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/mar/11/toyota-battery-vehicles-uk-european-plants-evs-lexus

 

Looks like good news for UK.

Over here,  when my trusty Hilux falls apart I would definitely consider one of those new electric models.... 

30 minutes ago, carlyai said:

The car is a bit intimidating as our first EV. 

 

it was the same for us since it was our first ev too ...

 

after a few weeks, everything will feel completely natural ... you will get use to the smooth, comfortable driving with plenty of power, no more turning off the engine just to run into 7/11... and so on!

 

my wife is already thinking about getting a second one ... 555

37 minutes ago, carlyai said:

@motdaeng thank you. 

Great you made the car more comfortable for your wife. 

The car is a bit intimidating as our first EV. 

Correction: First EV car. 

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Summary: 

ALL car sales have been down in the past months, up to approximately 18 months ago. 

 

So OilWorkers point that 'EV' Car sales are down is accurate, but he deliberately and conveniently  avoids another truth because it contradicts his rhetoric. 

 

ICE sales are down more than EV sales - this as a % of the yearly market share, EV sales have increased.

 

I'm really not sure what the underlying agenda is here...   its fairly simple - Sales are down, EV sales have been impacted less so than ICE sales - thats about it.

Year on Year sales figures for 2024 was a decrease of EV car sales by 23.46% compared to 2023

 

 

Electric car sales3/ increased from 20,000 units in 2022 to nearly 90,000 units in 2023, reaching more than 20% sales share (Figure 5). New subsidies and government financial incentives for end users have played significant roles. In 2023, Chinese companies accounted for 82% of the BEVs sale , and they could become more prominent given that BYD plans to start operations in 2024. The most popular EVs in Thailand are also BYD.

https://www.krungsri.com/en/research/research-intelligence/evs-in-asean-2024

 

Autolife published registration figures for 2023 here

Total number of BEV cars registered was 76,314

https://autolifethailand.tv/register-ev-bev-thailand-dec-2023/

Those figures don't include cars registered by 31st January 2024 which was the closing date for cars that were purchased by 31st December 2023 which  benefited from the B150,000 subsidy so if we take 76,314 registrations for 2023 and add 13,653 registrations for January 2024 Total EV car sales for 2023 was 89,967

for 2024 total number of EV car registrations was 70,137 but for sales number we need to exclude January 2024 registration figires of 13,,653  which brings total down to 56,484 but we then add January 2025 EV car registration figures of 12,376 which include all EV car sales sold before 31st December 2024 which benefited  from the B100,000 susbidy which ended 31st December 2024 total number of EV  car sales in 2024 was 68,860

https://autolifethailand.tv/total-ev-bev-register-2024-thailand/

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-register-jan-2025-thailand/

Total number of EV car sales 2023 89,967

Total number of EV car sales 2024 68,860

 

19 hours ago, carlyai said:

I can see a new phone coming up for Sup as hers doesn't have the magnetic charging.

Really love the car and the different people we meet at charging stations are very helpful. 🙂

 

 

If it’s the same as the Seal, then the wireless charging pods are not ventilated, I don’t recommend using them for more than 5 minutes as your phone will get hot and heat destroys the battery. 

 

9 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The numbers are showing a bit of a mixed bag at the moment. In the last 12 months BEV sales as a fraction of all vehicle sales have fallen in 6 out of 12 months YoY.

4 out of the last 6 months have seen the fraction of BEV falling YoY.

Time will tell, but it could be that we have reached a BEV saturation point around 20%.

 

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Year on Year sales figures for 2024 was a decrease of EV car sales by 23.46% compared to 2023

 

 

Electric car sales3/ increased from 20,000 units in 2022 to nearly 90,000 units in 2023, reaching more than 20% sales share (Figure 5). New subsidies and government financial incentives for end users have played significant roles. In 2023, Chinese companies accounted for 82% of the BEVs sale , and they could become more prominent given that BYD plans to start operations in 2024. The most popular EVs in Thailand are also BYD.

https://www.krungsri.com/en/research/research-intelligence/evs-in-asean-2024

 

Autolife published registration figures for 2023 here

Total number of BEV cars registered was 76,314

https://autolifethailand.tv/register-ev-bev-thailand-dec-2023/

Those figures don't include cars registered by 31st January 2024 which was the closing date for cars that were purchased by 31st December 2023 which  benefited from the B150,000 subsidy so if we take 76,314 registrations for 2023 and add 13,653 registrations for January 2024 Total EV car sales for 2023 was 89,967

for 2024 total number of EV car registrations was 70,137 but for sales number we need to exclude January 2024 registration figires of 13,,653  which brings total down to 56,484 but we then add January 2025 EV car registration figures of 12,376 which include all EV car sales sold before 31st December 2024 which benefited  from the B100,000 susbidy which ended 31st December 2024 total number of EV  car sales in 2024 was 68,860

https://autolifethailand.tv/total-ev-bev-register-2024-thailand/

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-register-jan-2025-thailand/

Total number of EV car sales 2023 89,967

Total number of EV car sales 2024 68,860

 

Neither Oily nor Vinny are stupid people, they both know the entire auto industry is in recession and they also know that the market share of EV‘s continues to increase and the market share of ICE’s continues to decrease.  
 

A most inconvenient fact…

53 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

If it’s the same as the Seal, then the wireless charging pods are not ventilated, I don’t recommend using them for more than 5 minutes as your phone will get hot and heat destroys the battery. 

 

 

Neither Oily nor Vinny are stupid people, they both know the entire auto industry is in recession and they also know that the market share of EV‘s continues to increase and the market share of ICE’s continues to decrease.  
 

A most inconvenient fact…

EV market share isn't increasing to the levels that Chinese EV manufacturers were expecting hence request to 

renegotiate EV 3.0 local production schedules

EV overview shows sales growth slowing

Factors affecting broader Thai auto industry compounded by reduced incentives, according to BMI

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/motoring/2932786/ev-overview-shows-sales-growth-slowing#:~:text=EV

For the past 125 years ICE has had 100% market share as a result of EV's being available that market share is reduced but they still have the majority share of all new vehicles for sale and the majority of all cars  on the road today in Thailand approx 12 million are ICE vehicles compared to 200,000 EV cars

 

 

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

EV market share isn't increasing to the levels that Chinese EV manufacturers were expecting hence request to 

renegotiate EV 3.0 local production schedules

EV overview shows sales growth slowing

Factors affecting broader Thai auto industry compounded by reduced incentives, according to BMI

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/motoring/2932786/ev-overview-shows-sales-growth-slowing#:~:text=EV

For the past 125 years ICE has had 100% market share as a result of EV's being available that market share is reduced but they still have the majority share of all new vehicles for sale and the majority of all cars  on the road today in Thailand approx 12 million are ICE vehicles compared to 200,000 EV cars

 

 

 

Let's just qualify that Vinny.

 

The entire auto industry is down.

 

ICE is down the most

 

EV is down less

 

EV % market share is increasing and bettering this auto recession.

 

On another issue, can Chinese EV's made in Thailand be sold in America?  and what tariff applies?

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Let's just qualify that Vinny.

 

The entire auto industry is down.

 

ICE is down the most

 

EV is down less

 

EV % market share is increasing and bettering this auto recession.

 

On another issue, can Chinese EV's made in Thailand be sold in America?  and what tariff applies?

Year on Year sales figures for 2024 was a decrease of EV car sales by 23.46% compared to 2023

 

Total number of EV car sales 2023 89,967

Total number of EV car sales 2024 68,860

If EV sales were increasing why would the Chinese EV brands request to renegotiate EV 3.0 local production schedules it wouldn't make sense

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

Year on Year sales figures for 2024 was a decrease of EV car sales by 23.46% compared to 2023

 

Total number of EV car sales 2023 89,967

Total number of EV car sales 2024 68,860

If EV sales were increasing why would the Chinese EV brands request to renegotiate EV 3.0 local production schedules it wouldn't make sense

 

Please post ICE comparison figures.  What you've posted could lead the reader to mistakenly believe that customers are turning away from EV to ICE, which is actually the opposite of what is happening.

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

 

Please post ICE comparison figures.  What you've posted could lead the reader to mistakenly believe that customers are turning away from EV to ICE, which is actually the opposite of what is happening.

If you want ICE figures you know the answer Do your own research 

I personally don't believe what I posted gives any indication to forum members thar buyers are turning away from EV's to ICE you might get that impression on some of the brands facebook groups but that is down to lack of availability for  spare parts with some EV's off the road for 8-12 months 

@JBChiangRai Re Charging Pod. Sealion 7 has 2; one is ventalated the other not.

We use Android Auto to stream the phone audio and I don't think the phone overheats. 🙂

Thanks anyway.

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

If you want ICE figures you know the answer Do your own research 

I personally don't believe what I posted gives any indication to forum members thar buyers are turning away from EV's to ICE you might get that impression on some of the brands facebook groups but that is down to lack of availability for  spare parts with some EV's off the road for 8-12 months 

 

You deliberately post half a factoid / half the story in an attempt to distort the reality of what is happening....   Its not lying or telling a miss-truth....   Its just not telling the whole truth. 

 

EV Sales are Down

ICE Sales Are Down.

EV Sales are down less so than EV sales - the EV's side of the car industry is weathering this 'market downturn' better than the ICE side of the car industry.

 

Its not really that hard to understand is it ?