1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Well then you better not buy a Dolphin, at least not on porpoise. 

0-100 km in around 7 seconds is plenty fast enough for me. When I feel the need for speed, I hop onto one of my two 1 litre bikes which can easily exceed 200kmh.

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

That City turbo looks interesting, ~24% quicker, ~28% more powerful,  ~4% less torque and over three times the range. 

The comparison is very basic and can be read in many ways,

City Turbo has great range.

Dolphin has the best baht to kilometre ratio.
Kicks has excellent range, the best hp and 0-100 but sorely lacking in the safety stuff.

Yaris is cheapest but very slow off the mark .

Mazda sits somewhere in the middle.

 

Depends what you are looking for in a car, for some these results might be a deal breaker but obviously looks, comfort, loading space, ride handling, service and reliability should be taken into account also.

15 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

0-100 km in around 7 seconds is plenty fast enough for me. When I feel the need for speed, I hop onto one of my two 1 litre bikes which can easily exceed 200kmh.

Not for me, I like to hop on my three 2l bikes. I haven't had a 1l bike since high school 

Latest OTA update on the Atto 3 , in AUS at least, trials the Dynamic Range Prediction.

Interesting to see if this works reliably.
 

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/the-new-features-the-byd-atto-3-gets-with-its-latest-update

12 hours ago, LikeItHot said:

It was discontinued even more recently. Womp womp

You obviously didn't bother to read my recent post where I spoke to Hyundai and they said that  Hyundai Ioniq 5 and 6 were both coming to Thailand at the end of this year

 

So @LikeItHot please check your facts and do try to keep up "womp womp"

 

An off-topic post and reply have been removed.

 

The OP is not about gas powered vehicles, but rather:

 

Electric Vehicles in Thailand

 

 

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else (I can't see it if it has been) but sounds very interesting indeed. 10 super fast DC charging parks coming with 30 chargers in each one.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/business/corporate/40029157

I just read this review in the UK of the MG4.  This is the extended battery version.

 

MG4 long-term test: Does China already make the best family EV? (msn.com)

 

20 hours ago, fredob43 said:

My stop was for around 15 min: and the EV was still on said charger when I left. How long it was on that Buddha only knows?

Maybe the owner was getting something to eat? Who knows? I agree that sitting at a charger for 30-40 mins sounds tedious but one of the good things about EVs is that you can lock them while charging and go find something to eat. Or, get a coffee and then sit in the car with the a/c on while charging and catch up on emails etc. The charging app will tell you how much the car has charged in real time so you don't need to keep going back to check.

8 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Latest OTA update on the Atto 3 , in AUS at least, trials the Dynamic Range Prediction.

Interesting to see if this works reliably.

It's not available on the Thai models (at least not yet). The manual (copied from Aus/NZ version) actually has said it has it all along, but it never has.

 

It would be very useful. I just did a 52 km trip that used 10.1 kw which would equate to a range of just over 300 km. Probably used so much power because it was on the highway and I had the a/c on full power coolest setting for 10 minutes before that to try and cool car down after 5 hours in the sun. Like an <deleted> oven inside. My office parking card actually deformed in the interior heat (clipped under the sun visor) despite me using one of those tinfoil type reflectors inside the car, held in place by the visors.

49 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

Maybe the owner was getting something to eat? Who knows? I agree that sitting at a charger for 30-40 mins sounds tedious but one of the good things about EVs is that you can lock them while charging and go find something to eat. Or, get a coffee and then sit in the car with the a/c on while charging and catch up on emails etc. The charging app will tell you how much the car has charged in real time so you don't need to keep going back to check.

So, locking it and getting pump-food is something you can't do with an ICEV? 

 

There are a lot of really great things about EVs, being stuck close to a charger for half an hour is not one of them, whether you're hungry or not.

 

Why not focus on the things that are great about EVs rather than pretending the relatively short range, and long "fuel" times are never inconvenient? 

 

 

 

160k more for the extended range Dolphin, bigger battery + range, more horses, more torque, a sunroof, upgraded suspension and two tone paintwork. 
Seems like an okay deal .

Personally i would like an extended range with all the trimmings except for the sunroof and the two tone paintwork on the bonnet ( roof only ) but compromises have to be made.

 

Same deal as the Atto 3 except if you want factory AC charger installed it is 25k plus seems like they have dropped the free servicing which cannot be very expensive ? can it ?

1 hour ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

 

160k more for the extended range Dolphin, bigger battery + range, more horses, more torque, a sunroof, upgraded suspension and two tone paintwork. 
Seems like an okay deal .

Personally i would like an extended range with all the trimmings except for the sunroof and the two tone paintwork on the bonnet ( roof only ) but compromises have to be made.

 

Same deal as the Atto 3 except if you want factory AC charger installed it is 25k plus seems like they have dropped the free servicing which cannot be very expensive ? can it ?

My MG HS PHEV came with 5 years of free servicing.  I have not paid anything at all in 2 years, not sure it’s saved me a great deal, but makes the experience a bit more pleasant.
 

They put it on charge when it’s finished being washed and I can monitor the state of charge on my app and decide when to pick it up. 

Nice article on EVs in Thailand on Cleantechnica - a site well worth following.

 

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/07/08/byd-atto-3-tops-the-bev-sales-charts-in-thailand-in-first-half-of-the-year/

 

 

16 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else (I can't see it if it has been) but sounds very interesting indeed. 10 super fast DC charging parks coming with 30 chargers in each one.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/business/corporate/40029157

Then there's also this:

 

Quote

EPPO [The Energy Policy and Planning Office] has been appointed by the national EV Board to set up between 2,000 and 4,000 fast-charging EV stations by 2030.

https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/economy/40029031

14 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

Probably used so much power because it was on the highway and I had the a/c on full power coolest setting for 10 minutes before that to try and cool car down after 5 hours in the sun. Like an <deleted> oven inside. My office parking card actually deformed in the interior heat (clipped under the sun visor) despite me using one of those tinfoil type reflectors inside the car, held in place by the visors.

Did you remember to "crack" the two front windows open a tiny bit also? I used to work in the Middle East where the temperatures would reach 50°C in the summer and my car was often parked outside. Leaving a tiny gap for the superheated internal air to escape can make all the difference.

9 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Did you remember to "crack" the two front windows open a tiny bit also? I used to work in the Middle East where the temperatures would reach 50°C in the summer and my car was often parked outside. Leaving a tiny gap for the superheated internal air to escape can make all the difference.

Definitely need to crack the windows a bit, if going to sit in the sun.  Our cools off in less the 3 ish minutes w/AC on high, after letting all the warm air out.   Are we don't do tinted windows.

 

Need to cover steering wheel, or that will heat up to uncomfortable temp for more than a few minutes.

9 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Did you remember to "crack" the two front windows open a tiny bit also? I used to work in the Middle East where the temperatures would reach 50°C in the summer and my car was often parked outside. Leaving a tiny gap for the superheated internal air to escape can make all the difference.

If I'm going to be near car for a while I don't like to do that here in rainy season. Which I guess wasn't an issue in the Middle East (although I can see a sandstorm blasting fine sand into the interior through even a small window opening). 

14 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

So, locking it and getting pump-food is something you can't do with an ICEV? 

 

There are a lot of really great things about EVs, being stuck close to a charger for half an hour is not one of them, whether you're hungry or not.

 

Why not focus on the things that are great about EVs rather than pretending the relatively short range, and long "fuel" times are never inconvenient? 

"locking it and getting pump-food is something you can't do with an ICEV?" - not while you're actually at the pump filling your car up, which would be the comparison to make with an EV being charged.

 

Say it takes 5 mins to fill up/pay, then you go and park and get some grub which takes you another 25-30 mins. How is that any different from plugging in an EV at a charger and leaving it there for 30-35 mins while you get a bite to eat etc?

 

"Why not focus on the things that are great about EVs rather than pretending the relatively short range, and long "fuel" times are never inconvenient?" - I'm not 'pretending' about anything. If you read my posts in this thread you'll see I'm on the fence about EV practicality for regular long distance use.

 

Having used an EV for 6 months now as a daily ride it's clear that, for my mainly urban use, I've saved time by not having to fill up with petrol every week or so. It's certainly more convenient in that respect than my ICE car.

 

 

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Need to cover steering wheel, or that will heat up to uncomfortable temp for more than a few minutes.

Climate change or old man hands? 

2 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

"locking it and getting pump-food is something you can't do with an ICEV?" - not while you're actually at the pump filling your car up, which would be the comparison to make with an EV being charged.

 

Say it takes 5 mins to fill up/pay, then you go and park and get some grub which takes you another 25-30 mins. How is that any different from plugging in an EV at a charger and leaving it there for 30-35 mins while you get a bite to eat etc?

 

"Why not focus on the things that are great about EVs rather than pretending the relatively short range, and long "fuel" times are never inconvenient?" - I'm not 'pretending' about anything. If you read my posts in this thread you'll see I'm on the fence about EV practicality for regular long distance use.

 

Having used an EV for 6 months now as a daily ride it's clear that, for my mainly urban use, I've saved time by not having to fill up with petrol every week or so. It's certainly more convenient in that respect than my ICE car.

 

 

So, I was right, locking the car and getting pump-food is something you can do with an ICEV, we agree. But with the ICEV I also have the option of never getting out of the car and being back on the road in five minutes rather than hanging around the pump eating crap food and whatnot.

 

That said, I think EVs are great for people that are not diving long distances often and that that have some place at home to charge them. For people that cannot charge at home and or drive long distances, not so great. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

Nice article on EVs in Thailand on Cleantechnica - a site well worth following.

 

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/07/08/byd-atto-3-tops-the-bev-sales-charts-in-thailand-in-first-half-of-the-year/

Pricing from chart within link ... I think current price, +/-

 

So, I was right, locking the car and getting pump-food while actually filling up isn't something you can do with an ICEV, we agree.

 

(That's enough, Ed.)

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

 

That said, I think EVs are great for people that are not diving long distances often and that that have some place at home to charge them. For people that cannot charge at home and or drive long distances, not so great. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The penny dropped, finally. It has been said countless times that EVs are not for everyone, especially those who drive long distances regularly or are unable to charge at home.

 

It took a while but looks like you finally understood what many have been trying to explain to you.

6 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

The penny dropped, finally. It has been said countless times that EVs are not for everyone, especially those who drive long distances regularly or are unable to charge at home.

 

It took a while but looks like you finally understood what many have been trying to explain to you.

Oh, I've known all along, it the guys that claim hanging around a pump waiting for the car to charge is some kind of benefit that amuse me. 

34 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, I was right, locking the car and getting pump-food is something you can do with an ICEV, we agree. But with the ICEV I also have the option of never getting out of the car and being back on the road in five minutes rather than hanging around the pump eating crap food and whatnot.

 

That said, I think EVs are great for people that are not diving long distances often and that that have some place at home to charge them. For people that cannot charge at home and or drive long distances, not so great. 

I kind of like the savings when O&A (long distance) as supplements the hotel costs, or pays for dinner.

 

Every 320-360 kms while O&A, and we save about ฿5-600 using CS vs petrol (MG ZS EV vs ICE)

 

Same locally, if a bit further than local, but <125 kms from home, petrol cost saved, pays for the coffee & pastry, along with getting us out of the house, as we wouldn't have bothered, paid to go to the coffee shop that far away.  Petrol costing more than meal.

 

I have a couple regular restaurant stops now, 30-60 minutes from the house, since no need to pay for petrol to visit.  Some tasty stuff, along with better value than very local vendors.

 

 

21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, I've known all along, it the guys that claim hanging around a pump waiting for the car to charge is some kind of benefit that amuse me. 

I don’t think anyone has claimed it a benefit, more like it’s not such a hardship that some make out .

 

As stated above, an EV is not ideal for those who make frequent long trips but some plan their stops and find the small inconvenience is outweighed by the money saved.

 

An HEV or PHEV for the longer trips and a small EV for the local stuff is possibly the ideal situation ?

It’s nice to get a laugh emoji for the above post.

Usually i would find it very strange when my post was not intended to be humorous, but when i see the author of said emoji has “ Ford “ in his username I understand ……… i mean any lover of that model cannot have much to laugh about !!

1 hour ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

 

An HEV or PHEV for the longer trips and a small EV for the local stuff is possibly the ideal situation ?

100% agree. I have a PHEV In which I’ve made two trips to Malaysia (total mileage 10k km) in the last 4 months. No issues whatsoever. Fast charge when I can, slow charge at destination and petrol in between. Put down a deposit already on the standard range Dolphin but will probably upgrade to the extended range.

 

 

3 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

“ Ford “ in his username I understand ……… i mean any lover of that model cannot have much to laugh about !!

Laughing Ford won’t be laughing for long. Then he will have to change his emoji to crying Ford