Man guns down three after being asked for a beer as a 16-year-old is found dead in Pathum Thani

[webfact]

Police officers set up a crime scene at a building site in Pathum Thani on Saturday night after the remains of a 16-year-old were found on the scene with a single bullet wound to the chest area. Police later established that he had died during a youth gang ambush on the construction site earlier in the day. (Inset) The 11 mm handgun used later in Chonburi where a 38-year-old man on a motorcycle gunned down three older men after taking offence when one asked him for a bottle of beer.

 

Thailand has by far the greatest number of guns in circulation compared to any other country in ASEAN, 50 times more than Singapore and over three times more than the nearest country, Cambodia. However, while gun deaths exceed the United States by 30% they are far behind the rate seen in the Philippines. The combination of Thailand’s chronic problems of gun violence, mental health issues and drug abuse results in a deadly cocktail that produces nights of carnage and human misery such as that seen on Saturday in two provinces near Bangkok.

 

On Saturday night, police in Thailand were called to the scenes of two senseless shootings where three people lost their lives. The first, in Pathum Thani, central Thailand, neighbouring Bangkok, was the scene of a youth gang ambush where an unidentified 16-year-old boy’s body was found while the other, three hours later, in Chonburi, involved a hallucinating and intoxicated 38-year-old man who indiscriminately gunned down three middle-aged men after one had asked him for a bottle of beer. Just another day in Thailand which is suffering under the weight of twin chronic problems, drug abuse and gun violence.

 

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Police officers set up a crime scene at a building site in Pathum Thani on Saturday night after the remains of a 16-year-old were found on the scene with a single bullet wound to the chest area. 

 

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[RichardColeman]

Seems every other story on this forum is gun related now - thank heavens assault rifles are not widely available, as there would be a massacre every day

[sammieuk1]

LOS everyone can be a general with a 9mm ????

[KhunLA]

Who to believe and what good are stats on any sites ?

 

"Thailand has by far the greatest number of guns in circulation compared to any other country in ASEAN, 50 times more than Singapore and over three times more than the nearest country, Cambodia. However, while gun deaths exceed the United States by 30% they are far behind the rate seen in the Philippines."

 

On a couple 'stat' sites, I don't even find Thailand listed.  Or some other ASEAN countries.  Guessing that 30% more per capita (100k), rather than simply total number, as that would really be high.

[ezzra]

Sitting here with my morning's coffee reading this.. what a start of a day and what the rest of the day will bring upon us, words fails me....

[DrMJA]

So comparing guns/gun violence in Thailand with a population of 80 million people, to America with a population of 380 million people makes sense?  Brilliant! 

[fredwiggy]

6 minutes ago, DrMJA said:

So comparing guns/gun violence in Thailand with a population of 80 million people, to America with a population of 380 million people makes sense?  Brilliant! 

Just proof that it's bad all over

[Denim]

I've forgotten what its like to be out after dark. Seems like all the crazies come out when night falls.

[worgeordie]

He had a choice just to say NO , when asked for beer,

but took the alternative and just shot them, maybe more

to the story.

regards Worgeordie

[hotchilli]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s chronic problems of gun violence, mental health issues and drug abuse results in a deadly cocktail that produces nights of carnage and human misery such as that seen on Saturday in two provinces near Bangkok.

Summed up nicely.

Include knives and machetes you get the real picture of Thailand.

 

Land of Smiles it ain't.

[2long]

RIP to that poor lad, but why is the report saying 'the remains' of a person who received one gunshot wound to his chest? Surely the 'remains' would suggest his body had been broken into more than one part or had started to decompose. Can't they just use the word 'body'?

[KhunLA]

47 minutes ago, DrMJA said:

So comparing guns/gun violence in Thailand with a population of 80 million people, to America with a population of 380 million people makes sense?  Brilliant! 

Surely, that's per capita, and they usually use per 100k with such comparisons.  And Thailand has less that 67 million people, on latest count. 

 

USA # may be correct, and nobody knows how many illegal immigrants there are, but most put USA population @ 335 ish million.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 31, 2022 by KhunLA

[KhunLA]

I just peeked at wiki, and 2017 stats stated < 1800, (2.6 per 100k) and sourced from UN, (big surprise they are wrong ????).  So very inaccurate, unless we are expected to believe, the number drop about 35% from 2016.

 

2016 #s attributed to:  "In 2016, there were more than 3,000 homicides by a firearm in the country - a rate of 4.45 deaths per 100,000 people, according to research by the University of Washington."

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/gun-violence-thailand-problem-cant-be-solved-828571

 

Above link, quote info from Wiki: "Violent gun deaths

In 2016 Thailand's rate of violent gun-related deaths stood at 4.45 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants. In comparison, that of the Philippines was 7.42; the US, 3.85; Cambodia, 0.96; Myanmar, 0.56; Malaysia, 0.46; Indonesia, 0.10; and Singapore, 0.03"

 

Which conflicts with other sources, so safe to say ... Nobody has a clue how many, worldwide, when reading stats.

 

I was peeking at FBI murder stats for USA, and steady 4 year decline 2016-19, with 10,268 for 2019.   Then saw almost 21k recently quoted for 2020, UN stats, again on Wiki.  So we are supposed to believe the murders in USA doubled in 1 years, after 4 consecutive drops.

 

With so many murders, worldwide, with firearms & everything else, it's still mind boggling, IMHO, that some people think, you shouldn't have the right to protect yourself, with your own firearm, IF wanting, and IF trained properly.  At least be on a level playing field.  May never need, but nice to have the option if you did.

 

In reality, Police are not there to protect you or prevent crime, simply take the report of your untimely death. IMHO.

Edited May 31, 2022 by KhunLA

[Paradise Pete]

55 minutes ago, DrMJA said:

So comparing guns/gun violence in Thailand with a population of 80 million people, to America with a population of 380 million people makes sense?  Brilliant! 

Comparisons like that are always per capita. That said, it still seems unlikely.

[KhunLA]

42 minutes ago, IamNoone88 said:

50x more guns in circulation than Singapore? What rubbish. Singapore has very few guns in circulation. The laws are unbelievably strict! Having a blue print for a 3D printed gun carries  fine of between S$50k to S$100k.

According to Wiki, 50x would be accurate.

TH @ 15.1 vs SG @ 0.3 per 100k

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

Edited May 31, 2022 by KhunLA

[aussienam]

"Remains" generally implies body parts, such as a partial recovery of a whole corpse , but this article describes a deceased male with a single entry wound (bullet).  

The comparison to the gun related homicides/violence in the US should have mentioned "per capita" as that would seem to make sense considering the population differences.  

[Seismic]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Who to believe and what good are stats on any sites ?

 

"Thailand has by far the greatest number of guns in circulation compared to any other country in ASEAN, 50 times more than Singapore and over three times more than the nearest country, Cambodia. However, while gun deaths exceed the United States by 30% they are far behind the rate seen in the Philippines."

 

On a couple 'stat' sites, I don't even find Thailand listed.  Or some other ASEAN countries.  Guessing that 30% more per capita (100k), rather than simply total number, as that would really be high.

In 2016 Thailand's rate of violent gun-related deaths stood at 4.45 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants. In comparison, that of the Philippines was 7.42; the US, 3.85; Cambodia, 0.96; Myanmar, 0.56; Malaysia, 0.46; Indonesia, 0.10; and Singapore, 0.03.

[Purdey]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand has by far the greatest number of guns in circulation compared to any other country in ASEAN, 50 times more than Singapore and over three times more than the nearest country, Cambodia. However, while gun deaths exceed the United States by 30% they are far behind the rate seen in the Philippines.

It seems that those countries have a gun problem. But no solution for it. Fortunately, few mass shootings in schools. 

[Lemsta69]

1 hour ago, aussienam said:

"Remains" generally implies body parts, such as a partial recovery of a whole corpse , but this article describes a deceased male with a single entry wound (bullet).  

The comparison to the gun related homicides/violence in the US should have mentioned "per capita" as that would seem to make sense considering the population differences.  

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[SomchaiCNX]

4 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

LOS everyone can be a general with a 9mm ????

Thai military prefer 11 mm that's why almost are committed with an 11 mm, like they call them over here.

[SomchaiCNX]

Am I the only one who is confused about the title?

[brianthainess]

 

On 5/31/2022 at 7:12 AM, IamNoone88 said:

50x more guns in circulation than Singapore? What rubbish. Singapore has very few guns in circulation.

That's bcoz Thailand has 50x MORE ! 

[brianthainess]

????Do these Stats include those that later die in hospital from gunshot wounds.   just asking.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 5/31/2022 at 7:05 AM, worgeordie said:

He had a choice just to say NO , when asked for beer,

but took the alternative and just shot them, maybe more

to the story.

regards Worgeordie

There is more to the story, there's a link.

Edited June 1, 2022 by Liverpool Lou

[Liverpool Lou]

On 5/31/2022 at 7:12 AM, IamNoone88 said:

50x more guns in circulation than Singapore? What rubbish. Singapore has very few guns in circulation.

Maybe that's why the article said that there are 50 times more guns in Thailand than Singapore!  Very few in Singapore and more than a few here!

[Liverpool Lou]

On 5/31/2022 at 9:22 AM, Purdey said:

It seems that those countries have a gun problem. But no solution for it. Fortunately, few mass shootings in schools. 

I.e. no mass shootings in schools in those countries.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 5/31/2022 at 10:49 AM, SomchaiCNX said:

Am I the only one who is confused about the title?

Yes, that seems to be the case.   

 

What's difficult to understand...did you bother to read the article?

[metisdead]

Some off topic deflection posts and replies mainly about the USA have been removed.

[toofarnorth]

On 5/31/2022 at 10:49 AM, SomchaiCNX said:

Am I the only one who is confused about the title?

No , I read it and re read it . ...................after being asked for a beer as a 16 year old is found dead.

[SomchaiCNX]

On 6/1/2022 at 12:44 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

Yes, that seems to be the case.   

 

What's difficult to understand...did you bother to read the article?

I'm talking about the title Mr. Liverpool and yes I did read the article.