Inside a Biden White House adrift

[bbko]

On 6/5/2022 at 7:39 AM, EVENKEEL said:

The article forgot to mention crime

Oh please, the number of those around the former liar-in-chief that ended up in prison is mindboggling, but of course his minions choose to ignore that "fact".

The maga-hats claiming they are patriots is a joke, they are the epitome of anti-democracy...."Hang Mike Pence", are you kidding me?? In what topsyturvy world is anyone, let alone a MAGA mob calling for the hanging of a sitting vice president of the United States a "patriot"??  Disagree: ok, to advocate the killing of a US vice president is "deplorable".

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/08/all-the-legal-trouble-in-trumpworld-scandals-trump/

 

Signed a 24 year military retiree.

Edited June 6, 2022 by bbko

[LarrySR]

3 hours ago, bbko said:

Oh please, the number of those around the former liar-in-chief that ended up in prison is mindboggling, but of course his minions choose to ignore that "fact".

The maga-hats claiming they are patriots is a joke, they are the epitome of anti-democracy...."Hang Mike Pence", are you kidding me?? In what topsyturvy world is anyone, let alone a MAGA mob calling for the hanging of a sitting vice president of the United States a "patriot"??  Disagree: ok, to advocate the killing of a US vice president is "deplorable".

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/08/all-the-legal-trouble-in-trumpworld-scandals-trump/

 

Signed a 24 year military retiree.

Gotta  remember. We are dealing with Fox viewers here. 

I would encourage them to send all their savings to :

Stop The Steal @ trumporg.com

 

Edited June 6, 2022 by LarrySR

[Walker88]

11 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

 

 illegal border apprehensions are historically high

 

In a perfect world, all of those desiring to cross the border and do what most immigrants do---make major economic contributions because the very fact they made the journey shows how motivated they are---would replace all the losers of Cult 45, who people the States with the highest % on Social Security Disability Insurance (TN, KY, WV), the highest % of opioid addiction (WV, OH) and live in the States with the highest 'take' from the Federal Govt (vs States like CA, NY and NJ, which are the highest 'givers' to the Federal Govt in tax payments from their productive citizens). If the productive Blue States split with the parasitic Red States, the Red 45-ists would have an economy that would make Venezuela look like an economic juggernaut.

 

I bet those immigrants would love to live, and have their kids grow up, in a functioning democracy, unlike Cult 45 types who hate democracy and prefer a putin-like dictator who can whine when he loses and get others to do his fighting for him.

[Walker88]

16 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Now Now this not a nice way to talk, most real Americans love Trump and we know he will be back ,

I've already posted some actual data re 45's 'economy'. It was nowhere close to the 'best ever'. Of course, Cult 45 types have 'alternative facts', which are known as either "fantasies" or "lies"

 

It is clear why his sycophants are drawn from the 'no college' crowd. As the bloated clown himself said, "I love the poorly educated".

 

REAL Americans know 45 is a greater threat to US democracy than all of al Qaeda and ISIS combined. The bozo tried to orchestrate a coup and destroy what REAL PATRIOTS fought for over almost 250 years. Those who support 45 are either too stupid to understand the ideals upon which the US was founded, or they are traitors. There is no ion between.

 

When you try to overthrow a democratically-elected govt, or support people who do, you are a traitor. Thus, those who 'love 45' are traitors and should be handed the punishment of traitors.

 

Like many REAL PATRIOTS, I went into harm's way defending the nation, and I lost friends who did the same against terrorists who are a lesser threat than 45 and his moronic cultists. ANYONE who seeks to destroy what we defended is a traitor. 45 disgraces the graves of those in Arlington, disgraces the graves of my former colleagues.

 

I will celebrate the day he faces the ultimate justice, and my friends will rest in peace again.

[Walker88]

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

By "hate" you must mean exposing the hateful far left radicals. 

Yes, those 'leftist radicals' who support democracy.

 

levin, as well as all supports of 45, hate democracy and hate the ideals upon which the US was founded. To a person, they are traitors.

[LarrySR]

37 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

By "hate" you must mean exposing the hateful far left radicals. 

Proof. The education system in the USA is a big mess and has been for a long time. 

[LarrySR]

 

A little history lesson for those gullible Americans that dwell in the alternative reality of fake news and conspiracy nonsense:

 

Recall if you will, in 2016 right wing media had convinced enough voters that Obama had the USA on the threshold of desolation, even though the USA had just experienced 89 straight months of economic growth, a historic high of 80 months consecutive jobs growth. The Obama era Stock Market ranks 3rd in American history, rising a whopping 235%. He slashed the $1.4 trillion GW Bush yearly deficit spending by 68%.

Unemployment had dropped from 10.2% down to 4.6%, manufacturing & exports achieved all time highs, crime rate was down, deportations of illegal immigrants up, longevity & graduations were higher, gas prices lowest in 10 years. NATO membership began increasing funding and Veterans finally had choice on where they receive medical treatments. 

Obama accomplished this while engineering a comeback from the Great Recession & winding down two ill conceived GW Bush wars.

 

Yet in 2016, the right wing eco-chamber was telling viewers that America was facing its darkest moment, on the brink of disaster with viewers convinced that Obama, Hillary and all Democrats are out to ruin the USA. 

 

Many right wing media consumers even believe Obama is a gay, border hopping illegal alien, a terrorist loving Muslim sympathizer.

Driven into insanity by the sinister media machine, these low info conservatives are convinced Obama was overseeing “false flag” mass murders in our schools so he can abolish the 2nd amendment, take the guns and declare Sharia Law. 

 

The side effect of the lies parading as truth in the right wing media ecosystem has sparked radicalization, hatred, bigotry and widespread distrust that leads to harmful public sentiments or even violence. 

FBI and DHS data analysis show that far right inspired violence has been on the rise since Donald Trump entered the White House & has quadrupled in the USA from 2016-2018. Domestic terrorism exceeds foreign terrorist cases. Extremist related murders are overwhelmingly linked to the right wing ideologies, white supremacy, bugaloo/proud boy gangs, hyper Christian zealots & Q-Anon crackpots, making 2018 the fourth deadliest year on record since 1970.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Seriously Levin and others on Fox are unwatchable. So sycophantic to Trump, so one sided, so conspiratorial. I like to think Australians have a BS meter such that attempts to bring in a Trump like right wing have been laughed at or ignored. It’s not the policies only it’s the arrogant and childlike approach. Totally accept that Democrats get it wrong at times, and that the idea of less government and lower taxes and free markets etc can have merit, but I wonder what happened to the BS meter of significant no of Americans that they can accept this stuff.

[LarrySR]

46 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Seriously Levin and others on Fox are unwatchable. So sycophantic to Trump, so one sided, so conspiratorial. I like to think Australians have a BS meter such that attempts to bring in a Trump like right wing have been laughed at or ignored. It’s not the policies only it’s the arrogant and childlike approach. Totally accept that Democrats get it wrong at times, and that the idea of less government and lower taxes and free markets etc can have merit, but I wonder what happened to the BS meter of significant no of Americans that they can accept this stuff.

Republicans are outnumbered and haven’t won the popular vote in decades. There main policy is cutting taxes for the rich and deregulation of corporations. 

They are against health care, education, higher minimum wages, environmental protection and increased taxes on the wealthy. 
To win a National election they must bamboozled a significant number of citizens and convince them to vote against their own interests.
 The trick is to keep them in a constant state of agitation and outrage. Not so easy to do as the electorate becomes more educated and sophisticated every year so they go after “soft targets” to spread disinformation, hate and fear. 
The obvious targets for their propaganda are gullible religious types, undereducated, racists, bigots, homophobes, country bumpkins. Otherwise known as the audience of right wing media.
 

[EVENKEEL]

49 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

In a perfect world, all of those desiring to cross the border and do what most immigrants do---make major economic contributions because the very fact they made the journey shows how motivated they are---would replace all the losers of Cult 45, who people the States with the highest % on Social Security Disability Insurance (TN, KY, WV), the highest % of opioid addiction (WV, OH) and live in the States with the highest 'take' from the Federal Govt (vs States like CA, NY and NJ, which are the highest 'givers' to the Federal Govt in tax payments from their productive citizens). If the productive Blue States split with the parasitic Red States, the Red 45-ists would have an economy that would make Venezuela look like an economic juggernaut.

 

I bet those immigrants would love to live, and have their kids grow up, in a functioning democracy, unlike Cult 45 types who hate democracy and prefer a putin-like dictator who can whine when he loses and get others to do his fighting for him.

First of all immigrants knock on the front door and go through due process much like my parents did coming through Ellis Island. They don't crawl through hidden tunnels, swim across borders or jeopardize the safety of their children. Those who enter like that are illegals. Simple as that. 

 

The illegals who enter the US aren't the best and the brightest. They depend on manual labor jobs which are disappearing as it is which takes work away from citizens. They overload our healthcare, schools and housing. 

 

There's a segment of our population who are intent on destroying everything American. It's a shame you've fallen for it.

 

Taxing the workers to pay for the mistakes of the government isn't working out so well for Ca.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-leaving-state-population-declines-first-time-n1266740

[LarrySR]

7 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

 

The illegals who enter the US aren't the best and the brightest. They depend on manual labor jobs which are disappearing.

 

 

Maybe you haven’t heard. Unemployment is at 3.6%… a fifty year low and businesses can’t find employees.

Yet your worried about some dishwashers, gardeners, and vegetable pickers taking jobs from Americans?

Edited June 7, 2022 by LarrySR

[vandeventer]

11 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

Maybe you haven’t heard. Unemployment is at 3.6%… a fifty year low and businesses can’t find employees.

Yet your worried about some dishwashers, gardeners, and vegetable pickers taking jobs from Americans?

That's because the Government is paying people more[ of tax payers] to stay at home. Again tell the whole story.

[LarrySR]

Biden economy makes an astonishing recovery since it briefly touched bear market territory-20% in May. 

SP500 +7.8%

China fund +36%

ECommerce +21%

Solar +58%

EV Charging station mfg  +69%

Tesla +14.5%

Financial Tech +41%

Air BB +16%

Nano tech +31%

AI +33%

[LarrySR]

20 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

That's because the Government is paying people more[ of tax payers] to stay at home. Again tell the whole story.

Trump paid way more than Biden in pandemic subsidies but that all ended long ago now that the economy is booming.
Things are doing so well, GDP 6,8% has allowed Joe to cut the deficit by $350 billion and its projected to be cutting much more.

[onthedarkside]

Numerous derogatory name calling, off-topic and "hate" labeling posts have been removed, along with some flames and a social media post from a questionable source.

 

Tone down the derogatory name calling and "hate" labeling, or posting suspensions will be headed your way.

[bbko]

58 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

 

Like November 2020? Electoral votes; trump 232, Biden 306. Hahaha, The American people have spoken, or are you against the democratic vote?

[John Drake]

Nothing is built. Nothing is back. Nothing is better.

[Srikcir]

"Biden White House adrift"

vs

Trump White House operating as The Trump Organization in coup mode.

Biden's democratic leadership may be flawed but isn't that better than Trump's autocratic leadership where it's All For One and One For One?

 

[Berkshire]

20 hours ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

???? His job performance is so far below President Trump's it's not even close. Popularity has nothing to do with job performance.

Speaking of Trump, I'm looking forward to the January 6 committee hearings set to begin later this week.  Trump's criminality will be revealed in prime time and in comprehensive detail.  Should be pretty salacious and riveting.  Must-see TV....don't you think?  5555

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, bbko said:

Like November 2020? Electoral votes; trump 232, Biden 306. Hahaha, The American people have spoken, or are you against the democratic vote?

As the midterm elections loom closely, thank you joe for nothing. At least the American people have gotten a glimpse of what the democratic party is capable of. Looking forward to a GOP house, senate and POTUS once more.

 https://www.politico.com/2022-election/race-forecasts-ratings-and-predictions/

 

 

[berrec]

On 6/5/2022 at 8:02 AM, LarrySR said:

It would be a tragedy if it ever sinks as low as Trump.

 

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballotpedia's_Polling_Index:_Comparison_of_opinion_polling_during_the_Trump_and_Biden_administrations

-President Biden's termwide approval rating average is 47.1%, with weekly averages ranging from 40.6% to 54.4%.

-At this point in President Trump's term, his termwide approval rating average was 40.7%, with weekly averages ranging from 37.3% to 45.9%

 

Historians polled by CSPAN ranked Trump near the Botton at #41 and last place in "moral authority" & "administrative skills"

 

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballotpedia's_Polling_Index:_Comparison_of_opinion_polling_during_the_Trump_and_Biden_administrations

Joe Biden's Approval Rating Sinks Below Donald Trump's

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-bidens-approval-rating-sinks-below-donald-trumps-1708787

 

Not sure why you think it's a tragedy, he has earned it!

 

[John Drake]

And the layoffs are just getting started. Come November, inflation still skyrocketing, housing unaffordable, a ham sandwich the price of half a day's wages, and people lining up at the unemployment bureau and watch Team Biden crawl into a hole they'll never get out of.  

 

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A wave of layoffs is sweeping the US. Here are firms that have announced cuts so far, from Carvana to Netflix.  https://www.businessinsider.com/layoffs-sweeping-the-us-these-are-the-companies-making-cuts-2022-5

 

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2 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

Did you note this in the explanation?

"The question of timing. Biden entered office during a recession (and a global pandemic), but while the economy was on the upswing. Since different presidents have been sworn in at different points in the economic cycle, Biden’s comparison to his predecessors is not really apples-to-apples."

Hmmm...how does that apply to Trump?

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE

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4 minutes ago, John Drake said:

And the layoffs are just getting started. Come November, inflation still skyrocketing, housing unaffordable, a ham sandwich the price of half a day's wages, and people lining up at the unemployment bureau and watch Team Biden crawl into a hole they'll never get out of.  

 

 

Crystal ball predictions offered as evidence are always so impressive. Care to share any stock tips with us?

[candide]

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

 

In May 2022, the number of jobs was 158,1 million, much higher than 152.5 million in February 2020.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwivocbc25r4AhVtQ_EDHTYQBe8QFnoECBUQBg&usg=AOvVaw0El9HPDNwCkjhZ_HvoSxIU

 

[Rimmer]

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1 hour ago, John Drake said:

And the layoffs are just getting started. Come November, inflation still skyrocketing, housing unaffordable, a ham sandwich the price of half a day's wages, and people lining up at the unemployment bureau and watch Team Biden crawl into a hole they'll never get out of.  

 

 

And the basis for your prediction a cherry picking article in Business Insider? Do you understand that there are always going to be companies laying off workers and other companies hiring? It's the aggregate that counts. Here are the net figures from the latest unemployment survey:

The US unemployment rate was unchanged at 3.6 percent in May of 2022, the same as in the previous two months, remaining the lowest since February 2020 and compared with market expectations of 3.5 percent. The number of unemployed people increased by 9 thousand to 5.950 million, while employment levels rose by 321 thousand to 158.426 million. Meanwhile, the labor force participation rate edged up to 62.3 percent in May from a 3-month low of 62.2 percent in April.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

 

ANd what in god's name does that article have to do with inflation? If employment crashes that would tend to lower inflation not raise it. Actually, inflation has been edging downwards.

 

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1 hour ago, John Drake said:

You omitted the link to the article I provided from Business Insider. They cited the fact of a "wave of layoffs." You? You're really not worth dealing with.

As I pointed out, that wasn't much of a wave. It was a clear case of cherry-picking. The unemployment rate held steady at 3.6%. in May 2022 And, as Candide pointed out, according to the BLS, there are a total of roughly 158,000,000 employed. Of one thing I am sure: you will openly and graciously acknowledge that you were wrong about the total number of workers currently employed. 

 

And this despite the fact that many industries can't run at full strength because of problems with the supply chains,

[Berkshire]

23 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

It seems liberals have the President they deserve.  And the same goes for the current VP.

You guys just don't get it.  It's not that the majority of Americans wanted Joe Biden to win.  It's more that the majority of Americans didn't want Trump to win.  I basically preferred almost anyone else be President other than Trump.  And when Trump lost, I was ecstatic.  I still am.  Much of what's going on in America today is beyond the President's control.  So I have no ill feelings towards President Biden.  Because at the end of the day, we have a decent, honest, hardworking man as President.  Which is a huge improvement over the previous. 

[nauseus]

22 hours ago, candide said:

 

Biden did big mistakes: ????

- stellar GDP growth, and GDP levels higher than Trump pre-Covid

- record unemployment, much lower than Trump pre-covid, and reaching a 50 years low

- budget deficit reduction (compared to Trump increasing it every year pre-Covid)

-international leadership and recognition (compared to foreign leaders laughing behind Trump's back, I.e. at NATO meeting)

- Covid response (compared to Trump continuously downplaying the pandemic)

Recent GDP growth numbers are positive as the US emerges from the pandemic (low), the same as for the unemployment rate, which now is slightly above that with Trump pre-covid - the 50 years low was early 2020 - but these numbers appear good now due to a lower labour participation rate than in 2019/20, which is bad.

 

The budget deficit has reduced for the same (covid recovery) reason but the US debt is still rising and at a record high. I don't think that Joe's plans to spend trillions are going to help that!

 

International leadership and recognition? Well the Afghan exit debacle certainly got him recognized.