Climate change: As Po River dries up, Italy's food and energy supplies are at risk

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21 hours ago, tjintx said:

It was, and is, a parched f'ing desert.   Always has and always will be.   Stupid man thought that they could divert water for millions to live on in this environment forever.   Oh, and maybe it would help if California didn't dump lots of that fresh diverted water into the ocean to enable a tiny fish.  Hint, ain't global warming in the US West, it is overuse and depletion of resources.

Really?

 

Colorado River flow dwindles as warming-driven loss of reflective snow energizes evaporation

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aay9187

 

 

Loss of Snowpack and Glaciers In Rockies Poses Water Threat
From the Columbia River basin in the U.S. to the Prairie Provinces of Canada, scientists and policy makers are confronting a future in which the loss of snow and ice in the Rocky Mountains could imperil water supplies for agriculture, cities and towns, and hydropower production.
https://e360.yale.edu/features/loss_of_snowpack_and_glaciers_in_rockies_poses_water_threat

 

 

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20 hours ago, tjintx said:

Facts are hand-picked and misrepresented data that they are feeding us.  Consider, the biggest fact providers on this in the US.    Gore with a home that uses more power than small towns, Leo DiCaprio with his private jets, Obama and Biden acquiring significant ocean-front property (and jetting everywhere).    Huge transfer of wealth from us to them.

Thank you for revealing to us the nature of your knowledge about the science of climate change. Will you be publishing the results of your research in People magazine?

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[rickudon]

Sparktrader probably has problems reading any statistics . Even the NOAA data he originally referred to shows clear warming - and as many factors affect annual global temperature, one cool or hot year doesn't make a trend. Some simple facts from the NOAA data:

 

Average Global temperatures have increased by 1.1-1.3 Centigrade in the last 100 years (depends exactly what years you pick). 

The global temperature record was broken by a large margin (about 0.3 centigrade in 1998. That was a wakeup call.

That lasted until 2010, when it was broken again.

It was broken again in 2014, every year since then has been warmer than 2010.

The record was broken again in 2015 and 2016, the record was equalled in 2020 (not even an El Nino year, when temperatures are on average higher).

 

The average temperature increase for the last 5 years against last century was 0.86 Centigrade, for the previous 5 years it was  0.81 Centigrade - Sparktrader thinks that is a cooling trend! 

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37 minutes ago, rickudon said:

Sparktrader probably has problems reading any statistics . Even the NOAA data he originally referred to shows clear warming - and as many factors affect annual global temperature, one cool or hot year doesn't make a trend. Some simple facts from the NOAA data:

 

Average Global temperatures have increased by 1.1-1.3 Centigrade in the last 100 years (depends exactly what years you pick). 

The global temperature record was broken by a large margin (about 0.3 centigrade in 1998. That was a wakeup call.

That lasted until 2010, when it was broken again.

It was broken again in 2014, every year since then has been warmer than 2010.

The record was broken again in 2015 and 2016, the record was equalled in 2020 (not even an El Nino year, when temperatures are on average higher).

 

The average temperature increase for the last 5 years against last century was 0.86 Centigrade, for the previous 5 years it was  0.81 Centigrade - Sparktrader thinks that is a cooling trend! 

The nonsense Sparktrader tried to perpetrate is exactly what the warming denialists have been doing for a long time. For example, that record for 1998 that wasn't broken until 2010. 1998 was the year of a hugely powerful El Nino. The ocean released enormous quantities of heat. So what denialists did was take that as their baseline so they could claim that temperatures weren't rising even the there was clearly a continuing upward slope. Of course, since 2010 there have been many years that are warmer than 1998. And those without benefit of an El Nino. As I pointed out above, 2020 was in a virtual tie with 2016 despite the dampening effect of a La Nina that year. In fact, most the denialists have now abandoned that position that there is no warming  and that CO2 and other greenhouse gases aren't at least somewhat responsible. Instead they claim that global warming isn't that serious, the we can adapt without incurring much expense, no need to reduce the use of fossil fuels, etc.

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[Yellowtail]

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The nonsense Sparktrader tried to perpetrate is exactly what the warming denialists have been doing for a long time. For example, that record for 1998 that wasn't broken until 2010. 1998 was the year of a hugely powerful El Nino. The ocean released enormous quantities of heat. So what denialists did was take that as their baseline so they could claim that temperatures weren't rising even the there was clearly a continuing upward slope. Of course, since 2010 there have been many years that are warmer than 1998. And those without benefit of an El Nino. As I pointed out above, 2020 was in a virtual tie with 2016 despite the dampening effect of a La Nina that year. In fact, most the denialists have now abandoned that position that there is no warming  and that CO2 and other greenhouse gases aren't at least somewhat responsible. Instead they claim that global warming isn't that serious, the we can adapt without incurring much expense, no need to reduce the use of fossil fuels, etc.

Most everyone I know has never argued the Earth was not warming. 

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2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Most everyone I know has never argued the Earth was not warming. 

And who exactly do you know? Got any names to cite?

And were they denying that the rise in CO2  and greenhouse gases levels was largely responsible for the warming? Or were they claiming natural cycles? Or that it was due to solar activity?

Because if that what they're still asserting, then they're still asserting B.S.

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15 hours ago, placeholder said:

And who exactly do you know? Got any names to cite?

And were they denying that the rise in CO2  and greenhouse gases levels was largely responsible for the warming? Or were they claiming natural cycles? Or that it was due to solar activity?

Because if that what they're still asserting, then they're still asserting B.S.

You seem to call everyone that is not 100% in agreement that the worlds is ending and all that can be done to save us is the idiocy you advocate "warming denialists", and when I point out that most everyone I know believes the Earth is warming, you still call them "warming denialists" if they are not in lock-step with the left.