Leading Thai doctors calling for mask mandate to be reinstated

[sawadee1947]

1 hour ago, DezLez said:

What did you not say as you have quoted what I said?

It's about the case fatality percentage of all Covid cases. Not those connected to covid only. 

And this is 10 percent, which can be easily varified by hospitals.

So not even similar to Flu by far. 

Do we agree ☺️?

[DezLez]

2 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

It's about the case fatality percentage of all Covid cases. Not those connected to covid only. 

And this is 10 percent, which can be easily varified by hospitals.

So not even similar to Flu by far. 

Do we agree ☺️?

NO!

Go back and read what you posted and what the link says and which I quoted about that misleading 10% figure! 

  

[DustyShoes]

19 hours ago, Lorry said:

You mean, your freedom to infect me?

No, your freedom to get infected -- from ANYTHING out there on a day to day basis. And your freedom to take your own individual responsibility to protect yourself any way you want -- without infringing upon the rights and freedom of others and without mandating others live their lives according to your (selfish) standards.

 

Wear a hazmat suit with 10 masks, get 20 boosters, take 30 showers a day with disinfectant soap, don't go out in public... use your freedom of choice to protect yourself.

 

You sound like he's intentional trying to infect you. STOP blaming others for your lack of ability to take of yourself and STOP expecting others (including, and especially, the gov't) do it for you!

 

Peace

[Flink]

On 7/5/2022 at 5:44 PM, ThailandRyan said:

Here come the anti mask wearing commentstors again. Get off your high horses and wear them as your asked.  Keep one in your pocket...  It's not fearmongering, it's reality.

Why? They're obviously not achieving anything. 90+% of the locals around here are wearing them (even when driving alone in their car for heaven sake!) and yet the numbers of students reporting sick and self quarantining is higher now than at any point since Covid raised it's ugly head. So how are they getting it? They're masked, everyone at school, on the bus, in the streets is masked, but more and more are being diagnosed Covid positive. If the masks are the answer, why are they, obviously, not working? Make mask wearing optional for everyone and let people get back to as near normal a life as they can.If shops, schools, public buildings want to keep the mandate then that's their choice, but individuals should have the ability to decide for themselves when and where to wear one.

[Canuckluck]

On 7/5/2022 at 5:44 PM, ThailandRyan said:

Here come the anti mask wearing commentstors again. Get off your high horses and wear them as your asked.  Keep one in your pocket...  It's not fearmongering, it's reality.

How 'bout this you do you and i'll do me.

[billd766]

5 hours ago, Joe Farang said:

What happens when the scooter stops at traffic lights and there are 50+ scooters in close proximity. If none had masks

 

Would you still say the statistical reality is "Almost Impossible" for catching Covid.

Then multiply the possibility at every traffic light stop and consider the cross contamination with different scooter riders

I don't think that the virus could survive the pollution at the traffic lights. The same would apply for cars using the a/c and outside air.

 

I remember the bad old days of 2 stroke bikes in BKK, When the lights went green and all the scoots revved up there was a huge cloud of blue 2 stroke smoke for perhaps 15 seconds before you could see properly.

 

 

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

Sorry post deleted

 

[rumak]

3 hours ago, paulikens said:

All you pro maskers who want me to wear a mask....  why don't you pretend I've got one on and I'll pretend yours works!   

I think their mantra is ........ uhhhhh,  it may not work but the covid i keep getting would be much worse

if i did not wear the mask.      

[SmartyMarty]

Probably the same quacks who said Sinovac was really good. 

[billd766]

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

You are right to a certain extent, it is about signalling, signalling respect for the local population, but that would be an alien concept to many.

This morning at the local outside weekly market, I was the only farang, not wearing but carrying a mask and around 5% of the Thais were also maskless. AFAICS no other Thais were trying to shame the ones without masks. The ones without masks were ordinary customers, some primary school girls and some of the sellers. I bought some bananas on the main street and the lady wasn't wearing a mask there either.

 

IMHO many Thais are discarding masks as more hassle than they are worth and I suspect that they are fed up with all the panic warnings from doctors and the government.

 

If wearing a mask is optional, and it is, I won't wear one (though I will carry one) unless somebody makes a fuss about it.

 

If people want to wear a mask, by all means do so, but for the growing many like me, please don't try to make us wear one.

[ThailandRyan]

22 minutes ago, Canuckluck said:

How 'bout this you do you and i'll do me.

Self sacrifice, be my guest....

[billd766]

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

The thread title is about reinstatement Bill. If it is reinstated people will have to accept the new ruling or go elsewhere.

Whinging and derogatory comments will not change the ruling, only give foreigners in general a worse name than they have already.

IF the bill is reinstated then I will wear a mask.

 

However IF it is not then I will carry on as I do now.

 

Following the IF along, IF I am lucky I will win the lottery.

[rumak]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

This morning at the local outside weekly market, I was the only farang, not wearing but carrying a mask and around 5% of the Thais were also maskless. AFAICS no other Thais were trying to shame the ones without masks. The ones without masks were ordinary customers, some primary school girls and some of the sellers. I bought some bananas on the main street and the lady wasn't wearing a mask there either.

 

IMHO many Thais are discarding masks as more hassle than they are worth and I suspect that they are fed up with all the panic warnings from doctors and the government.

 

If wearing a mask is optional, and it is, I won't wear one (though I will carry one) unless somebody makes a fuss about it.

 

If people want to wear a mask, by all means do so, but for the growing many like me, please don't try to make us wear one.

welcome !    to the "other side ".    

[Mark Nothing]

The business model of the medical system is sick people generate income/profits and healthy don't. 

[BangkokReady]

Aren't people still wearing masks in places where transmission is likely?  And, presumably, the places actually responsible for the increase in numbers are surely places where people won't be wearing masks regardless of the law?

 

Ergo: Mandating masks again will not prevent the increase.

Edited July 6, 2022 by BangkokReady

[Mark Nothing]

The business model of the medical system is sick people generate income/profits and healthy don't.  Why would our health be a priority?  Wouldn't the opposite be more likely?

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, rumak said:

I think their mantra is ........ uhhhhh,  it may not work but the covid i keep getting would be much worse

if i did not wear the mask.      

If most Thais are still wearing masks, but many foreigners are not, it's likely they want the mandate back to make foreign people wear them.  Even if it has nothing to do with the actual rate of covid, I can imagine many Thais that think something along the lines of "foreign people have covid, why are they not being made to wear masks?".

[jspill]

Big C On Nut told the wife the kids couldn't go in the soft play slides without masks today. After having told me previously it would be allowed as of July 1st

 

Skytrain staff and mall staff still saying to wear masks as well

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by onthedarkside
trolling/misinfo comment removed

[MoneyNo1]

20 hours ago, Joe Farang said:

We're in a Covid surge in Ireland. The main impact is people out of work.

I had my 1st Antigen test ever yesterday and am positive. Sore throat started on Sat, almost gone today. I've been working from home since March 2020, so can carry on working at home.

Are you boosted and which jab thanks

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, Flink said:

Why? They're obviously not achieving anything. 90+% of the locals around here are wearing them (even when driving alone in their car for heaven sake!) and yet the numbers of students reporting sick and self quarantining is higher now than at any point since Covid raised it's ugly head.

 

Just because people who wear masks outside sometimes end up coming down with a COVID infection, doesn't automatically mean face mask wearing either a] doesn't work at all, or b] doesn't help reduce the spread of COVID.

 

Wearing a good quality face mask (N95 if possible) helps reduce one's risk of contracting COVID.... just as even the current vaccines help reduce the risk of infection, especially during the first 4 months or so post injection, and the risk of serious illness on a more ongoing basis.

 

Note in both cases I said REDUCE the risk -- not eliminate the risk 100%.

 

A person can wear their mask outside all day and every time they venture out.... But if they come home at night and get exposed by a spouse or kids who have picked up the virus somewhere, that's not a failure of the mask... And numerous other comparable examples like that.

 

Mask wearing ought to be part of a broader pattern of actions people can take to protect their own health and the health of those around them -- COVID vaccinations and boosters, quality face mask wearing, social distancing, hand hygiene, etc...

 

All of those things together each help reduce your overall risk. And the more of them you make part of your personal routines, the better your chances of avoiding COVID and, failing that, avoiding serious COVID illness.

 

[Joe Farang]

17 minutes ago, MoneyNo1 said:

Are you boosted and which jab thanks

I have had Moderna x 3. Last one was back in Dec

[billd766]

42 minutes ago, jspill said:

Big C On Nut told the wife the kids couldn't go in the soft play slides without masks today. After having told me previously it would be allowed as of July 1st

 

Skytrain staff and mall staff still saying to wear masks as well

 

Why are people so stupid 

I can understand the Skytrain and also the shopping mall staff. The soft play slides and area I am not so sure about.

[onthedarkside]

A range of misinformation, trolling and flaming posts and replies have been removed.

 

[rumak]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Mask wearing ought to be part of a broader pattern of actions people can take to protect their own health and the health of those around them -- COVID vaccinations and boosters, quality face mask wearing, social distancing, hand hygiene, etc...

 

All of those things together each help reduce your overall risk. And the more of them you make part of your personal routines, the better your chances of avoiding COVID and, failing that, avoiding serious COVID illness.

You and a few others on this forum have been repeating similar stuff for years (actually before, you were much more adament on how stupid those who do not believe as you do are)

Thankfully many many more members and people in general have seen with their own eyes that all the narrative over those years JUST AIN"T TRUE.

Keep believing if you want.   And jab away .     But sensible people are not buying what you are selling ( please, no repeats of the cnn, nbc, yahoo paid for "experts" ).

Go out and enjoy life like normal people do .   My advice to the masses:   eat well,  exercise , get some fresh air and stop putting chemicals in your bodies.  

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by rumak

[Shocked farang]

Wear your masks in the streets and light up your joint safely when you get home. Be a good Thai! 

[StealthComms]

1 hour ago, Joe Farang said:

I have had Moderna x 3. Last one was back in Dec

You won't be up to date soon.

Canadian health minister just announced jab every 9 months, and said you will never be fully vaccinated.

Hows that not scratch head even for this vaccine supporters?

 

 

[arithai12]

14 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

 That's WRONG, but many people think as you.

The flu case fatality rate is not more than 0,2 %. Whereas the number for Sars-Covid is 10%.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid.

Think twice ????

 

 

Nonsense. The graph you linked shows about 1% Covid mortality, at present, but in fact that means nothing since deaths and confirmed Covid cases are counted in very different and often debatable manners, depending on who's counting. e.g. in the US they would count as Covid death even people without Covid, or people positive but who died in unrelated manner such as car crash.

 

Back on topic, if you read carefully the "prominent doctors" numbers, there's nothing to indicate a worsening of the fatalities due to new variants.

 

[arithai12]

6 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

It's about the case fatality percentage of all Covid cases. Not those connected to covid only. 

And this is 10 percent, which can be easily varified by hospitals.

So not even similar to Flu by far. 

Do we agree ☺️?

Certainly not. Easily verified to be bogus.

[Joe Farang]

Just listening to a specialist (Prof) that works for the Health Service. He advised that between 1 and 5% of Covid patients are suffering from long Covid that has lasted in excess of a year.

So it is not all about living or dying. There are many people with long terms affects that as yet are not fully understood.

[Lorry]

Why do people who don't like masks have to come to Asia, where people like masks? 

 

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by Lorry

[Lorry]

14 hours ago, goatfarmer said:

Yes. You want to mandate masks for ever?

Just don't want to die, like one million free people in "the land of the free"

I much prefer to be alive and in Thailand, wearing a mask

 

Plenty of countries without a mask mandate. Just go there,  please.