No injuries after Nok Air 737-800 slides off Thai runway

[sqwakvfr]

This could happen at any airport.  But if one lives in a city with an airport with a single runway(like in CNX where I am located) then one will not be able to fly out for at least two days.  Day one is for the crash investigation and aircraft removal 2) Also, if the runway is not severely damaged then runway repairs can be made.  On Day 3 normal operations can resume.  This is why I never fly from CNX to BKK on the same day that I have an international departure from BKK.  

[Captain Monday]

15 hours ago, nrasmussen said:

Since there wasn't any fire there was no need for an emergency evacuation. An evacuation has the risk of people getting injured (happens frequently), so it's only done if necessary.

 

If I had been a passenger on that flight I would certainly have appreciated that I was able to remain safely seated instead of having been forced outside in the dark and the rain.

In a stabilized situation with no fire smoke , cabin not compromised. No need to make a bad situation worse.  It's a Captains call. You can assume people will be injured in an EVAC. 

[motdaeng]

16 hours ago, nrasmussen said:

Since there wasn't any fire there was no need for an emergency evacuation. An evacuation has the risk of people getting injured (happens frequently), so it's only done if necessary.

 

If I had been a passenger on that flight I would certainly have appreciated that I was able to remain safely seated instead of having been forced outside in the dark and the rain.

that is a good point!

 

but how long did it take for leaving the aircraft? 40 min or longer?

is there no possibility that after a crash the aircraft can catch fire?

understandable, some people got  into a "panic mode".  i think,

to get wet would be no issue for most of the passanger ... 

 

after this kind of incident, i personally would prefer to leave

the aircraft safe and as soon as possible!

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by motdaeng
safe and

[radiochaser]

I'm stuck in Chiang Mai because of the Nok Air crash in Chiang Rai.  ???? .  My flight has been canceled.   OK, I lied, wife found an alternate way back to BKK.

That aircraft could have hydroplaned due to the rain.  A plane I was on years ago may have hydroplaned on landing.  It turned sideways a few degrees before catching abruptly and straitend out.  

I was on a DC-3 when I was 10 or 11 that crashed.   Plane took off from the airport, wheels went up, then sudden quiet.  No idea why both engines shut down and plane lost all power.   Pilot made a hard left U turn and made it back to the runway.   Naive little idiot I was at that age, thought the crash itself was exciting.   The screaming and panic during evacuation freaked me out though. 

 

[radiochaser]

Happy day!  Flight from Chiang Mai not canceled!  

[toofarnorth]

20 hours ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

From the roads to the runways, the excuse is the same......

I expect to see later ' Pickup blown off the road in the rain , tried using the brakes but much wetness caused failure , no injuries reported '.

[Almer]

Maybe time to put some water groves  in the surface, the pilot would have made the decision to land and something, a gust, aquaplane, has caught him out, always easy to blame anybody but ourselves.

[motdaeng]

9 hours ago, motdaeng said:

that is a good point!

 

but how long did it take for leaving the aircraft? 40 min or longer?

is there no possibility that after a crash the aircraft can catch fire?

understandable, some people got  into a "panic mode".  i think,

to get wet would be no issue for most of the passanger ... 

 

after this kind of incident, i personally would prefer to leave

the aircraft safe and as soon as possible!

 

 

[Digitalbanana]

On 7/31/2022 at 4:39 PM, nrasmussen said:

If I had been a passenger on that flight I would certainly have appreciated that I was able to remain safely seated instead of having been forced outside in the dark and the rain.

So you would rather sit in an aircraft that has crashed with no air circulation or lights on than go outside asap eh? I am more in this camps opinion https://www.thaienquirer.com/42274/opinion-nok-air-keeping-the-passengers-on-a-skid-off-plane-for-more-than-an-hour-is-inexcusable/

Edited August 1, 2022 by Digitalbanana

[herfiehandbag]

On 7/31/2022 at 1:54 PM, ozfarang said:

Why do we need 2 threads on the Nok Air incident?

Come on - it is the most exciting thing that has happened up here for three years!

[nrasmussen]

19 hours ago, Digitalbanana said:

So you would rather sit in an aircraft that has crashed with no air circulation or lights on than go outside asap eh? I am more in this camps opinion https://www.thaienquirer.com/42274/opinion-nok-air-keeping-the-passengers-on-a-skid-off-plane-for-more-than-an-hour-is-inexcusable/

Absolutely. I would trust the captain to make the decisions necessary to ensure the safety of everyone. If he unnecessarily had ordered an emergency evacuation into the dark and rain it is likely that there would have been injuries.

[motdaeng]

31 minutes ago, nrasmussen said:

Absolutely. I would trust the captain to make the decisions necessary to ensure the safety of everyone. If he unnecessarily had ordered an emergency evacuation into the dark and rain it is likely that there would have been injuries.

how many people have been injured after one hour wait?  non!

what they did after one hour they could do it also after 10 minutes, a controlled evacuation!

i do not think, rain or a short  walk to the main building would have hurt someone ... 

Edited August 2, 2022 by motdaeng

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

how many people have been injured after one hour wait?  non!

what they did after one hour they could to also after 10 minutes, a controlled evacuation!

i do not think, rain or a short  walk to the main building would have hurt someone ... 

No, people walking on the runway, taxiway & tarmac is an accident waiting to happen.  Capt made the correct call, as he's responsible, protocol or not.  Surely he assessed the situation, decided remaining on board was safer ... End of.

 

A crew of 6 is not nearly enough to monitor 164 idiots walking around and expecting them to stay put in the rain when they can see the terminal is walking distance away.

[Doctor Tom]

20 hours ago, Digitalbanana said:

So you would rather sit in an aircraft that has crashed with no air circulation or lights on than go outside asap eh?

No need to be so dramatic, it ran off the runway, it didn't 'crash'. Electrical power could have still been on the aircraft and there is no saying that the APU was not running,. 

[nrasmussen]

18 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

how many people have been injured after one hour wait?  non!

what they did after one hour they could to also after 10 minutes, a controlled evacuation!

i do not think, rain or a short  walk to the main building would have hurt someone ... 

For a captain the safety of the passengers is more important than not inconveniencing them. It seems like he handled the situation correctly and made the right decisions that resulted in no one getting injured.

[Digitalbanana]

9 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

No need to be so dramatic, it ran off the runway, it didn't 'crash'. Electrical power could have still been on the aircraft and there is no saying that the APU was not running,. 

I am just reading the observations of pax on board who said  "they had trouble breathing as the air circulation was off and were left in the dark.".

Sorry, but a runway excursion incident is a uncontrolled crash into the dirt off the runway. What else could it be described as? As you were not there (presumably) why be so unconcerned about it? The authorities won't be, latest news is they have summoned the pilot to explain himself.

[motdaeng]

23 minutes ago, nrasmussen said:

For a captain the safety of the passengers is more important than not inconveniencing them. It seems like he handled the situation correctly and made the right decisions that resulted in no one getting injured.

by waiting an hour which safety measures have been increased? more umbrellas and more lights maybe?
anyway, an independent investigation will hopefully be published ... in a few months time!

[Digitalbanana]

6 minutes ago, Digitalbanana said:

latest news is they have summoned the pilot to explain himself.

Should have added I expect the pilot was doing the best he could in an airport ill equipped for such an incident.

[nrasmussen]

30 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

by waiting an hour which safety measures have been increased? more umbrellas and more lights maybe?
anyway, an independent investigation will hopefully be published ... in a few months time!

Having passengers running around in the dark and rain, tripping over runway and taxiway lights and signs and other installations, possibly falling into ditches, and even risking getting hit by emergency vehicles, are accidents waiting to happen. Taking all this into consideration, the captain's decision was obviously to not let the passengers out until he was confident that it could be done safely; I will be very surprised if the investigation report will say otherwise.

[KhunLA]

Why it took an hour, to supply transport, is the only question to ask.

 

That falls on Nok & the airport, not the Capt.

[Encid]

According to one news source "Nok Air said it decided against evacuating passengers via slides immediately because the ground had many puddles due to heavy rain. Also, it said, it was worried about their safety as it was dark outside and there may be dangerous animals lurking in the area."

 

Sorry I cannot post the link to the news source because of forum rules but it was in one of Thailand's English language news sources.

[Mavideol]

it's difficult to believe there were no injuries, quite sure some people had headache, knees, arms, etc., when a plane skids of the run way there's always some injuries, hope not bad ones

[ozfarang]

2 hours ago, nrasmussen said:

Absolutely. I would trust the captain to make the decisions necessary to ensure the safety of everyone. If he unnecessarily had ordered an emergency evacuation into the dark and rain it is likely that there would have been injuries.

The captain didn't order an 'emergency' evacuation but why wait for over an hour to order an orderly evacuation of the aircraft. Emergency vehicles were at the scene soon after the aircraft came to a halt so there were personal outside the aircraft to direct and gather the exiting pass to a safe area. The captain and airport authorities both have a lot of questions to answer for this total stuff up in true Thai style. A lot of face saving to come before a report is produced

[nrasmussen]

4 hours ago, ozfarang said:

The captain didn't order an 'emergency' evacuation but why wait for over an hour to order an orderly evacuation of the aircraft. Emergency vehicles were at the scene soon after the aircraft came to a halt so there were personal outside the aircraft to direct and gather the exiting pass to a safe area. The captain and airport authorities both have a lot of questions to answer for this total stuff up in true Thai style. A lot of face saving to come before a report is produced

So how much personnel do you think it would take to gather and safely escort some 160 people in darkness and rain to the terminal building?

 

Based on the level of complaining by some passengers for having to sit and wait for just one hour, just imagine the outcry on social media if instead they had been forced outside and herded like cattle in the pouring rain.

 

If anyone is to blame it would be the airport for taking too long to get adequate transportation available.

[DaveC]

On 7/31/2022 at 4:39 PM, nrasmussen said:

Since there wasn't any fire there was no need for an emergency evacuation. An evacuation has the risk of people getting injured (happens frequently), so it's only done if necessary.

 

If I had been a passenger on that flight I would certainly have appreciated that I was able to remain safely seated instead of having been forced outside in the dark and the rain.

Total BS. I am an Airline Pilot. Full evacuation ASAP in this circumstance.

[nrasmussen]

25 minutes ago, DaveC said:

Total BS. I am an Airline Pilot. Full evacuation ASAP in this circumstance.

I stand corrected. In that case I'm very much looking forward to reading the crash investigation report.

[bamnutsak]

Runway closed until 22:00 5 August 2022.

 

Continuing rain, and a lack of equipment,  is hampering movement of this aircraft.

 

 

[kokesaat]

Has anyone seen a photo of the left side of the aircraft?  I wouldn't be surprised if the landing gear snapped (as it did on the RC135 I was on.....see previous post on page 1).  In any case, I'd guess the engines sucked up a good bit of dirt.

If the airport was ill-equipped to handle a ?minor? emergency evacuation such as this, imagine a more serious incident.....at this airport or many of the smaller ones that handle 100+ passengers/flight around the country.

[KhunBENQ]

On 8/3/2022 at 8:22 AM, bamnutsak said:

Runway closed until 22:00 5 August 2022.

 

Continuing rain, and a lack of equipment,  is hampering movement of this aircraft.

Maybe there is a chance that the airport is opened earlier.

The plane has been pulled back on the tarmac this morning at 4 AM.

See damages on front landing gear and engine housing.

From khaosod.co.th.

(click to enlarge)

Edited August 4, 2022 by KhunBENQ

[KhunBENQ]