Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act

[Chomper Higgot]

40 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

All anyone keeps saying is that it has been debunked. I didn't watch hours of court cases, how does this work? Tell me how can verify the signature and whether the ballot was actually sent before polls closed. There are millions of them to be accounted for and limited personal counting. 

 

And another thing if you can vote and have the election results changed overnight while you're sleeping this is disqualifying by itself. I'm not gonna waste time voting (I didn't vote in 2020 btw) if boxes of ballots can just  appear and I'm told to shut up for questioning where all these came from. Every election could be rigged going forward and we'll be told the question was settled in 2020 so shut and accept the results.

 

OK I've ranted enough. Mail in ballots are just one more reason you're a sucker for voting in US elections.

I take it you weren’t planning to vote Democrat anyway.

[NorthernRyland]

7 minutes ago, newnative said:

 Surely you should know this by now but the reason Trump was leading on election night when you went to bed was that thousands and thousands of mailed-in ballots had either not been counted yet or added to the vote tallies.

yes I know. That's the problem. I don't trust these people and this process of "anything can happen after the polls close, it's settled etc..." is not good enough. This will sow seeds of distrust for millions of people and backfire on the Democrats eventually.

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5 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

yes I know. That's the problem. I don't trust these people and this process of "anything can happen after the polls close, it's settled etc..." is not good enough. This will sow seeds of distrust for millions of people and backfire on the Democrats eventually.

No, you don't understand. The Democrats in the Pennsylvania legislature wanted to change the election law so that the ballots would be counted as they came in precisely in order to avoid what happened on election night. But the Republicans refused They wanted to promote an impression of confusion and fakery. Other states like Iowa did count ballots in advance. So the Democrats there started out ahead. No sore loser complaints from them when Trump pulled ahead on election night.

[wombat]

and another day goes by and the Donald hasn't been arrested for espionage or treason?
maybe weaponising the DOJ is gunna come back and bite someones @$$?
 

[NorthernRyland]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I take it you weren’t planning to vote Democrat anyway.

Can someone please explain why I would want to vote for them? At least Trump gave me some minor tax cut but all they offer is "free" government services that they never deliver on and would be terrible anyways and then higher taxes to pay for illegal immigrants and various victim groups. Lots of gay stuff also. Great. I can't see how a bunch of old white guys in Thailand would care about this nonsense.

[Berkshire]

6 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

yes I know. That's the problem. I don't trust these people and this process of "anything can happen after the polls close, it's settled etc..." is not good enough. This will sow seeds of distrust for millions of people and backfire on the Democrats eventually.

It seems you've filled your head with so much crazy conspiracy theories that you're almost beyond hope.  But do you even understand how US elections work?  It's run by the states.  An organized scheme would have to reach all 50 states.  States like Georgia and Arizona are run by Republicans, both at the governor and legislature.  So why are you blaming Democrats?  So many others have tried to explain to you, but it appears you've lost your ability to think rationally.  That's ok.  Maybe it's better that you don't vote ever again.

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1 minute ago, wombat said:

and another day goes by and the Donald hasn't been arrested for espionage or treason?
maybe weaponising the DOJ is gunna come back and bite someones @$$?
 

Clearly, you get your ideas from television about how the justice system works. But this isn't some TV show. There's lots of evidence to be examined. And Garland has a reputation for being very careful.

Also, there are other far more likely charges possibly in the offing than espionage or treason.

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2 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Can someone please explain why I would want to vote for them? At least Trump gave me some minor tax cut but all they offer is "free" government services that they never deliver on and would be terrible anyways and then higher taxes to pay for illegal immigrants and various victim groups. Lots of gay stuff also. Great. I can't see how a bunch of old white guys in Thailand would care about this nonsense.

Got any more nonspecific clichés to share with us?

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3 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

  Maybe it's better that you don't vote ever again.

No "maybe" about it. The Democrats should pay him to proselytize  his don't vote convictions among Trump supporters.

[NorthernRyland]

24 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

It seems you've filled your head with so much crazy conspiracy theories that you're almost beyond hope.  But do you even understand how US elections work?  It's run by the states

of course everyone knows that and what conspiracy theory did I posit? all I said is I don't trust them and more vectors for fraud are a problem. Anything that would happen would be at the state level. My bottom is that they had it out for Trump since day 1 and never stopped going after him for a second until they culminated in a raid on his house. There's no way they are going to let him run again and a little voter fraud is just a means to an end.

 

The bigger question is why you retired guys are shilling so hard for democrats? What are you trying to get from them? At least I save a few thousand dollars because of Trump but democrats offer literally nothing at best and at worst more taxes and immigrants. Makes no sense to me.

 

 

[NorthernRyland]

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Got any more nonspecific clichés to share with us?

Answer the question. Tell us about how more empowered women of color and "undocumented Americans" and whatever other nonsense they talk about helps a retired white guy in Thailand.  If you're going to shill for a political party you should at least get something from them.

[NorthernRyland]

35 minutes ago, wombat said:

and another day goes by and the Donald hasn't been arrested for espionage or treason?
maybe weaponising the DOJ is gunna come back and bite someones @$$?

it's terribly shortsighted. The bigger picture here is that the regime in Washington has purged a political rival. They'll do the same thing next time a legit left wing populist emerges and then the liberals will be crying about the corrupt FBI etc... etc... just like they used to before Trump came around.

[Berkshire]

2 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

of course everyone knows that and what conspiracy theory did I posit? all I said is I don't trust them and more vectors for fraud are a problem. Anything that would happen would be at the state level. My bottom is that they had it out for Trump since day 1 and never stopped going after him for a second until they culminated in a raid on his house. There's no way they are going to let him run again and a little voter fraud is just a means to an end.

 

The bigger question is why you retired guys are shilling so hard for democrats? What are you trying to get from them? At least I save a few thousand dollars because of Trump but democrats offer literally nothing at best and at worst more taxes and immigrants. Makes no sense to me.

 

Firstly, you mention a lot of "they" "they" "they."  These people ("they") must be absolute geniuses to pull off this massive voter fraud and leave not a shred of evidence for Trump's army to find.  "They" deserve some kind of prize for this tremendous (impossible) effort.

 

Secondly, I'm financially secure and don't require much from our government.  I just want an honest, decent, humble President who'll actually work for the American people.  We have that now.  What I don't want is a lying, racist, ignorant, incompetent, corrupt conman who wants to divide our country.  We don't want that guy coming back. 

[NorthernRyland]

Just now, Berkshire said:

Firstly, you mention a lot of "they" "they" "they."  These people ("they") must be absolute geniuses to pull off this massive voter fraud and leave not a shred of evidence for Trump's army to find.  "They" deserve some kind of prize for this tremendous (impossible) effort.

Many races are tight. You just need to corrupt those and you get the entire state. Again, vectors for fraud such be kept to a minimum.

 

Just now, Berkshire said:

 

Secondly, I'm financially secure and don't require much from our government.  I just want an honest, decent, humble President who'll actually work for the American people.  We have that now.  What I don't want is a lying, racist, ignorant, incompetent, corrupt conman who wants to divide our country.  We don't want that guy coming back. 

Yeah well there are at least 2 Americas and they don't agree with you. Did you see the rallies Trump had? Massive and he held them the entire 4 years. He was a rock star.

[wombat]

2 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

an honest, decent, humble President who'll actually work for the American people.  

i'm curious why the same formulae used for inflation when Trump was in office wasn't used for Biden economics?

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1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

Answer the question. Tell us about how more empowered women of color and "undocumented Americans" and whatever other nonsense they talk about helps a retired white guy in Thailand.  If you're going to shill for a political party you should at least get something from them.

Here's what I replied to:

"Can someone please explain why I would want to vote for them? At least Trump gave me some minor tax cut but all they offer is "free" government services that they never deliver on and would be terrible anyways and then higher taxes to pay for illegal immigrants and various victim groups. Lots of gay stuff also. Great. I can't see how a bunch of old white guys in Thailand would care about this nonsense."

 

First off, what are these "free government services that they never deliver on"?

 

Second: Do illegal immigrants lead to higher taxes? Lots of illegal immigrants pay income and social security taxes which they will never get back. 

 

As for why white guy should care about anything that doesn't directly benefit himself, I don't think there's any way of getting through to a person who holds such a belief  about moral obligations. For people like that who approach to life is "what's in it for me", such considerations simply don't exist. 

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[heybruce]

19 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

of course everyone knows that and what conspiracy theory did I posit? all I said is I don't trust them and more vectors for fraud are a problem. Anything that would happen would be at the state level. My bottom is that they had it out for Trump since day 1 and never stopped going after him for a second until they culminated in a raid on his house. There's no way they are going to let him run again and a little voter fraud is just a means to an end.

 

The bigger question is why you retired guys are shilling so hard for democrats? What are you trying to get from them? At least I save a few thousand dollars because of Trump but democrats offer literally nothing at best and at worst more taxes and immigrants. Makes no sense to me.

Democrats offer the survival of democracy and a free press.  Trump did his best to undermine both.

[heybruce]

18 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Answer the question. Tell us about how more empowered women of color and "undocumented Americans" and whatever other nonsense they talk about helps a retired white guy in Thailand.  If you're going to shill for a political party you should at least get something from them.

Since Democrats want to stay engaged with the world, including SE Asia, they offer Thailand an option other than total capitulation to China.  A lot of retirees in Thailand and other places like that.

[heybruce]

15 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

it's terribly shortsighted. The bigger picture here is that the regime in Washington has purged a political rival. They'll do the same thing next time a legit left wing populist emerges and then the liberals will be crying about the corrupt FBI etc... etc... just like they used to before Trump came around.

That political rival made the "purge" incredibly easy by doing some seriously illegal stuff and refusing to relinquish government documents and classified material when  asked to do so, and also lying about keeping this stuff that wasn't his.

 

I know, Trump lying is such a common thing some people have a hard time understanding that sometimes it is illegal.  This is one of those times.

[heybruce]

14 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Many races are tight. You just need to corrupt those and you get the entire state. Again, vectors for fraud such be kept to a minimum.

 

Yeah well there are at least 2 Americas and they don't agree with you. Did you see the rallies Trump had? Massive and he held them the entire 4 years. He was a rock star.

Elections aren't decided by who has the most well attended rallies.  If they were Beyonce would be President.

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

it's terribly shortsighted. The bigger picture here is that the regime in Washington has purged a political rival. They'll do the same thing next time a legit left wing populist emerges and then the liberals will be crying about the corrupt FBI etc... etc... just like they used to before Trump came around.

The bigger picture is that Trump has deliberately divide the country and committed crimes. A peaceful transfer of power has historically been the norm in USA presidential transitions. Only Trump won't commit to peaceful transfer of power and broke from transition. There will be no next time if Trump is duly criminally indicted as a warning to those who deliberately broke the law, jeopadize the country's security and threaten democracy. 

[NorthernRyland]

11 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Since Democrats want to stay engaged with the world, including SE Asia, they offer Thailand an option other than total capitulation to China.  A lot of retirees in Thailand and other places like that.

Trump at least had the capacity to play hard ball with other countries. If it was on the table he would have said something like "why are we letting these people from <deleted> hole countries buy land in America when they won't give us the same deal in their country". Maybe that would backfire but I can at least see him putting pressure on this SE Asian countries and getting something in return for us.

 

Compare that with the democrats who would go the opposite direction and tell us we need to take the Thai's as refugees and give them free school, health care etc... all at tax payer expense.

 

It's a clear choice in my eyes and no I don't care Trump was a dick or said stupid things so don't bother.

[pomchop]

2 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

All anyone keeps saying is that it has been debunked. I didn't watch hours of court cases, how does this work? Tell me how can verify the signature and whether the ballot was actually sent before polls closed. There are millions of them to be accounted for and limited personal counting. 

 

And another thing if you can vote and have the election results changed overnight while you're sleeping this is disqualifying by itself. I'm not gonna waste time voting (I didn't vote in 2020 btw) if boxes of ballots can just  appear and I'm told to shut up for questioning where all these came from. Every election could be rigged going forward and we'll be told the question was settled in 2020 so shut and accept the results.

 

OK I've ranted enough. Mail in ballots are just one more reason you're a sucker for voting in US elections.

Give it up.  You and your cronies have ZERO evidence of any significant voter fraud.  If you do then post it for the world to see and you will be a forever hero in your tin hat kool aide cult.  Otherwise please don't waste anyone's time with all your absurd posts, theories, and BS.

[Berkshire]

2 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Trump at least had the capacity to play hard ball with other countries. If it was on the table he would have said something like "why are we letting these people from <deleted> hole countries buy land in America when they won't give us the same deal in their country".

 

Man, that is just total bull.  If someone from any country wanted to buy one of his properties in the USA, he would gladly sell to them.  Which he has, on many occasions.  He would even employ illegals....which he has.  On many occasions.

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7 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Trump at least had the capacity to play hard ball with other countries. If it was on the table he would have said something like "why are we letting these people from <deleted> hole countries buy land in America when they won't give us the same deal in their country". Maybe that would backfire but I can at least see him putting pressure on this SE Asian countries and getting something in return for us.

 

Compare that with the democrats who would go the opposite direction and tell us we need to take the Thai's as refugees and give them free school, health care etc... all at tax payer expense.

 

It's a clear choice in my eyes and no I don't care Trump was a dick or said stupid things so don't bother.

Now, if only Trump had been president he could have addressed the issue of land holding in foreign countries versus the United States. But since.. oh wait a minute..

[Thailand]

Oh no, not more bad news!

 

"Donald Trump gets hit with TERRIBLE news as it's revealed that the Trump Organization's former CFO Allan Weisselberg will accept a plea deal for a 15-year tax fraud scheme and testify against The Trump Organization if prosecutors ask him to."

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

of course everyone knows that and what conspiracy theory did I posit? all I said is I don't trust them and more vectors for fraud are a problem. Anything that would happen would be at the state level. My bottom is that they had it out for Trump since day 1 and never stopped going after him for a second until they culminated in a raid on his house. There's no way they are going to let him run again and a little voter fraud is just a means to an end.

 

The bigger question is why you retired guys are shilling so hard for democrats? What are you trying to get from them? At least I save a few thousand dollars because of Trump but democrats offer literally nothing at best and at worst more taxes and immigrants. Makes no sense to me.

 

What conspiracy theory did you post? You've just repeated them yet again. Trump lost the election fair and square, face up to it and stop the conspiracies along with they had it up for him from day 1.

 

I'm not an American nor am I retired but the US has an important part to play in the world and what Trump has done to create this chaos is inexcusable.

 

Gets to something when you try to deflect your argument onto why posters here are as you called it "shilling the democrats"

 

Still you would save a few thousand dollars in your quest if he was elected...........................

 

 

[Thailand]

Oh no, not more bad news!

 

" Val Demings is now LEADING Marco Rubio 48% to 44% according new University of North Florida poll."

[Eric Loh]

23 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

It's a clear choice in my eyes and no I don't care Trump was a dick or said stupid things so don't bother.

At least you are honest with your support for <deleted> and idiot for President. Chia-yu. 

[heybruce]

23 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Trump at least had the capacity to play hard ball with other countries. If it was on the table he would have said something like "why are we letting these people from <deleted> hole countries buy land in America when they won't give us the same deal in their country". Maybe that would backfire but I can at least see him putting pressure on this SE Asian countries and getting something in return for us.

 

Compare that with the democrats who would go the opposite direction and tell us we need to take the Thai's as refugees and give them free school, health care etc... all at tax payer expense.

 

It's a clear choice in my eyes and no I don't care Trump was a dick or said stupid things so don't bother.

1.  Trump lacked the capacity to find Thailand, Laos, Mayanmar, etc. on the map.

 

2.  Biden is very much playing hardball with Russia and China.  The standard comment from a Trump supporter regarding this is that it scares them.