Much Higher Traffic Fines in Effect from Sept 5

[jacko45k]

Just now, VinnieK said:

I shudder what the legal implications would be if someone is involved in an accident wit those urchins.

You would be responsible for all hospital costs. 

Likely an attempt to extort compensation.

The children cannot be guilty of law breaking.....

[VinnieK]

3 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

You would be responsible for all hospital costs. 

Likely an attempt to extort compensation.

The children cannot be guilty of law breaking.....

Crazy 15-year old doing wheelies after school can never be wrong ????

[swm59nj]

Good to increase fines.  But unfortunately the majority of the drivers don’t care.  They will complain about the increase.  But still continue their bad habits 

[thailand49]

8 minutes ago, gjoo888 said:

How the heck are Thai people that make 350 Baht a day going to afford paying a 2000 Baht fine, much less a 4000 Baht fine? It's easy to say to not commit the offenses in the first place, but more than a week's pay, or two weeks pay should be a crime itself. A fine of 500 or 1000 Baht would likely have the same deterrent effect, without taking away someone's ability to feed themselves or their family. 

True but this is the way it works here they got a bit correct,?  

In society you can't add the equation whether a person can pay or not. Rules are put in to create enough doubt to prevent a person to think about the lost?  That lost penalty must be great enough to deter.  Here it is the principal of scared tactics or honor system because if we see it so do Thais no enforcement particularly to collect at all cost without exception. They know the police is judge and jury their system courts don't have the time to deal with such little stuff their days are too busy doing what the police are doing which is nothing!  

They talk big if they actually enforced all their mandates the people would rise up and overthrow them. So when they can't pay " Mai pen rai " give me what you can a short lecture,  go to temple,  pad on the back and hope the honor system works.  

Then here comes a farang bye! $$$$$

[Bangkok Barry]

12 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

12 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

Usually on the road. It is the best place for them.

Actually that's the worse place for them. Way too dangerous!

Thailand should get rid of all its crossings so that people wouldn't falsely believe that it's safe to use them. Not having them would save lives and people being injured. If drivers ignore them what is the point of them anyway?

[kennw]

13 hours ago, Jerno said:

More tough laws that won't get enforced, so who cares.  Blah...blah.. blah.  Great photo op for RTP talking heads can get their name in the news.

Since 80% of road deaths are motor cyclists will they concentrate on them to cut the road toll. Much of traffic violations are now enforced by camera, but bikes dont have a front number plate. Start there.

[thonglorjimmy]

1 hour ago, tandor said:

...usually in front of schools, hospitals, intersections etc. Fairly easy to identify if painted regularly. ????

I rather think you've rather missed the irony of the question you've responded to.

[alesaldana]

Yesterday I saw a Police motorbike with 2 people and 3 kids!! I assume the person driving was actually the policeman, (he was wearing plain clothes, not a uniform).

 

If the RTP gives this kind of example, how can they enforce any law? ????????

[RayOday]

Another edict with few teeth. Executive director mentality without a clearly communicated plan and enforcement results in failure. When it comes to roads there is no function of public safety. The police do not inspect what they expect. I see a few technology installations being deployed to capture speeding. No road enforcement by officers except relatively useless road checks. The rural roads are being improved yet there are still car sized potholes and safety markings do not follow international signage standards. It appears that each province has their own interpretation of road signage. The quality of road improvement is corrupt. There are varying standards of repaving the roads. Many of the recently repaired roads have insufficient road beds and poor materials which cannot support agricultural vehicles and the trucks that bring product to processing plants and end use facilities. The roads buckle and quarter meter holes appear within 2 months of completion. If an RTP pickup passes one do they have the power to call it in and have it repaired immediately as a function of public safety? Do they mark the dangers with safety signaling? Not in my experience. The craters last for weeks or until someone gets hurt or a government official visits. The concept of public safety is completely absent. Old school punishment thinking. No root cause correction or inspection. Same, same. Let's see the 2022 road deaths and injuries per capita statistics to evaluate the RTPs effectiveness. In my professional opinion there needs to be a cross ministerial body focused  on road measures (road deaths and injuries per capita, road accidents by type, road events by cause, by time of day, etc.) Each measure would have an action plan and would be evaluated monthly by results. The body directing the improvement plan would be comprised of a full time management team of equal rank (Thai hierarchy): RTP general with road safety expertise, director from land transport, preferably a civil engineer with finance skills, a director from the health ministry as this is an urgent public health issue, assigned non-governmental experts from the academic field, and road safety experts from the insurance industry. This working group would report to a panel of ministers who would report to the PM. Does Thailand have a larger public safety issue than road safety right now? Maybe it's dietary practices and the downstream fallout from carbs, sugar, and processed foods but that's a different and more economically/politically complex  topic. The RTP is failing  public road safety responsibility. The tail is wagging the dog. 

 

 

[vandeventer]

1 hour ago, rwill said:

The main factor behind road accidents is the police not enforcing the laws they already have.

The police really need to get the young scooter riders off the road. Fine the mother's and fathers until they do. I have seen them as young as 7 years old. 

Edited September 3, 2022 by vandeventer

[sammieuk1]

A few pockets need filling out in these lean times just see how much you can save with no paperwork ????

[Photoguy21]

14 hours ago, Bobtheblob said:

Completely pointless yet again, either mandate all rear passengers need to be strapped in or don't bother at all. 

Good idea but I have been in a few taxis over the past week and only 2 of them had working seat belts at the back.

[spidermike007]

Traffic fines can only be implemented when the police are doing real law enforcement work, instead of behaving like individual franchisees. This does not happen here. Things will need to change, if they are planning to engage in traffic safety. Up until now, they have not cared one iota about public safety. 

 

 

[frankie machine]

This will significantly increase the earning potential of the Boys in Brown. 

[MrJ2U]

14 hours ago, Jerno said:

won't get enforced

They'll be getting hard cash.

 

They'll definitely get enforced.

 

The police also get a cut from the fines collected.  You can expect a lot more road stops manned by RTP.

 

4,000 baht fine is equivalent to 13 days wages.  It would be equivalent to getting a $1500.00 speeding ticket in the US.

 

Extortionate in my opinion.

way over the top in contrast to income.

 

You want to punish them but not put them in more debt. 

[hotchilli]

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Traffic fines will be much higher, with the maximum rate of 4,000 baht, on Sept 5 when the newly amended Land Traffic Act will take effect, according to the police.

RTP keeping the revenue stream alive

[hotchilli]

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The new law also raised the maximum fine from 500 to 2,000 baht for driving in wrong direction and failure to wear a helmet or a seat belt.

????

[thurien]

15 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

where are these located?

 

all over TH, they are symbolic "bull's eyes" for all drivers = they never hesitate to aim properly

[Ginner]

16 hours ago, Jerno said:

More tough laws that won't get enforced, so who cares.  Blah...blah.. blah.  Great photo op for RTP talking heads can get their name in the news.

They will get enforced 4,000 with a receipt 1,000 with out.

 

[Caldera]

My prediction is that those higher fines will do nothing with regards to making Thailand's deadly roads any safer.

[Grusa]

18 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Everything is going up in price , food , energy , taxi fares so why not fines.

 

 

"However, the law does not require pickup truck passengers on extended space behind the driver’s seat and cargo beds to use a seat belt but their number must not exceed its limit."   What is the limit for people in the rear of

a pickup  ? , 5 10 20 ?

regards Worgeordie

 

 

Goes by weight, I think. Same as elevators. How many kon thai to the tonne? How many fat farang?

[PETERTHEEATER]

18 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

where are these located?

I think that refers to the foot bridges. The kerb to kerb black and white road markings are targets,

[PETERTHEEATER]

7 hours ago, wealthychef said:

But they will likely boost bribery prices.  What is the fine and punishment for an officer accepting a bribe? 

Promotion.

[Dart12]

These are actually tremendously large increases.

 

[Speedhump]

Only increasing the RTP's unofficial takehome pay. ????

[tandor]

5 hours ago, thonglorjimmy said:

I rather think you've rather missed the irony of the question you've responded to.

...i got it...hence my cynical reply.

Edited September 3, 2022 by tandor

[bdenner]

No point of having new/revised traffic laws and penalties if they are not enforced correctly without corruption!

[connda]

20 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The new law also raised the maximum fine from 500 to 2,000 baht for driving in wrong direction and failure to wear a helmet or a seat belt.

In the US, driving the wrong way will get you tossed in jail.  It's incredibly dangerous.  2000 THB fine.  That shows you why Thailand maintains it's ranking of The Most Dangerous Roads in the World.  My last encounter with one of these fools was driving northbound on Highway 11 near Lamphun when Khun Idiot was driving the wrong-way down the highway in the passing lane.  The truck behind almost hit him head on.  Morons.  And just a 2000 THB fine and a slap on the wrist - if you're caught.  There is a U-turn near a Highway Patrol station where people routinely drive the wrong way down heading north on the southbound lane.  The cop shop is about 100 yards away on the other side of the road.  The BIB simply don't care.

As far as charging drivers without helmets 2000 THB?  You can't bleed a rock, especially after bankrupting the lower class during Covid.  The "non-essential" people don't have money.

[richard_smith237]

This highlights why Thailands roads continue to be so deadly....  Those in positions of decision making power believe they can implement safer roads with a simple announcement or policy change.... 

either that... Or they just want to be seen doing something without actually doing anything. 

 

The reality is that safety on Thailands will not be improved without a nationwide cultural shift in attitudes towards safety. 

 

People need to be educated to consider the consequences of their actions towards others as well as themselves. 

Roads themselves need to be designed with better safety in mind. 

Drivers need better education from a young age (i.e. children also need to be taught road safety, they are the future drivers). 

Consequences need to be real, not just empty threats of high-fines which are not collected anyway. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[connda]

29 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The reality is that safety on Thailands will not be improved without a nationwide cultural shift in attitudes towards safety. 

As well as having a Highway Patrol that is used to cite dangerous moving violations instead of being used to escort VIPs down the highway.  The Highway Patrol has one mode of enforcement - roadblocks.  Totally ineffective and essentially a money-maker.  Nothing to do with road safety.