OTHERED: How racism, xenophobia and religious discrimination were woven into the fabric of the UK

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, simple1 said:

BS, the point of the policy should not be to put ayslum seekers at risk. HMG is acting contrary to the UN Convention for Refugees for which they are a signatory. Since the policy was announced the numbers crossing iin small boats has actually increased. It is estimated 48% of those assessed are in fact refugees (roughly 18% are from Albanian who will be declined as economic refugees). At the mement the program is on hold whilst beiing reviewed by the Courts. More detail at...

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53734793

BS. How does sending them to Rwanda put them at risk? The risk they face is crossing the channel in rubber boats.

Are you suggesting that everyone in Rwanda is "at risk" or that those sent from Britain should be treated better than the citizens of Rwanda?

If they don't want to go to Rwanda the answer is simple- stay in the first safe country they come to, instead of trying to get to Britain in a rubber boat.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

I think people are confusing illegal immigration with racism.  

 

If the people coming illegally over in vast numbers on boats were white men from other countries the response would be the same. 

 

Britain is very multicultural and does not have large scale serious race problems in everyday life.

 

There is inequality...but not just for different races, also among white people of different classes, sexes, disabilities and sexual orientation, religion etc.

 

I get the impression people are stiring up trouble for political reasons or just some exciting news stories.  They are creating racial tensions when none were there before.

Well said.

Talking sense there.

 

In London the English appeared to be outnumbered by those from elsewhere, and I worked with people of different skin colour and from many different countries, some of which were in Africa.

My manager was a Malaysian, her deputy was a Chinese Malaysian, some sub managers were of African descent.

If the claim that Britain is racist was even slightly true, all the managers of every grade would have been of British origin.

[roo860]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

BS. How does sending them to Rwanda put them at risk? The risk they face is crossing the channel in rubber boats.

Are you suggesting that everyone in Rwanda is "at risk" or that those sent from Britain should be treated better than the citizens of Rwanda?

If they don't want to go to Rwanda the answer is simple- stay in the first safe country they come to, instead of trying to get to Britain in a rubber boat.

https://www.visitrwanda.com/arsenal/about-the-partnership/

 

If it's good enough for Arsenal.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Funny that…

Not really, as it's not what the topic is about.

Feel free to introduce it though.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Don Chance said:

The Conspiracy is Capitalism!

 

Capitalism creates inequality, injustice and unfairness. Not what they say, that it creates economic equality - it is the opposite. A few very wealthy and lot of people who's real wages have not risen since the 1970. So naturally there is going to be racism and anger at the system.

 

It is blacks, women, minorities, natives etc who are disproportionately effected by the inequality.

Immigration is all about keeping wages low for the wealthy employers.

I doubt anyone says that capitalism is about equality ( it's not ). What it is is equality of opportunity to get rich. Go to school, learn stuff, work hard, be smart and anyone can get wealthy. Ask anyone that is a qualified plumber, or an electrician etc about making money.

You left white people off your list- plenty of poor white people about.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Racism in Thailand, India, Saudia Arabia, Africa. Everywhere.

This thread is not about Thailand, India Saudi Arabia, Africa or any other place than the UK.

 

9 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Ive never seen a country with no racism. Talk about credibility. Yours got destroyed yesterday.

 

I’ve never claimed racism doesn’t exist in any other country.

 

 

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This thread is not about Thailand, India Saudi Arabia, Africa or any other place than the UK.

 

I’ve never claimed racism doesn’t exist in any other country.

 

 

If racism is so bad in the UK, how come 4 of the last 5 chancellors were non-white?

It seems to me if there is any racism in the UK it's racism against white men.

Edited October 14, 2022 by BritManToo

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

If racism is so bad in the UK, how come 4 of the last 5 chancellors were non-white?

It seems to me if there is any racism in the UK it's racism against white men.

I think that’s a variation on ‘some of my best friends are Black’.

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think that’s a variation on ‘some of my best friends are Black’.

My only remaining living friend is black, my woman is Asian, my son is mixed race. (and my last white friend died of AIDs)

I'm living the woke multicultural rainbow dream!

 

But you can keep suggesting I'm a racist if you want to appear foolish.

Edited October 15, 2022 by BritManToo

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

My only remaining living friend is black, my woman is Asian, my son is mixed race.

I'm living the woke multicultural dream!

 

But you can keep suggesting I'm a racist if you want to appear foolish.

I have never once suggested you are a racist - not ever.

 

I do not call other members racist, not ever.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

My only remaining living friend is black, my woman is Asian, my son is mixed race. (and my last white friend died of AIDs)

I'm living the woke multicultural rainbow dream!

 

But you can keep suggesting I'm a racist if you want to appear foolish.

Perhaps he doesn't realise that you live in Thailand and married to a non white woman?

Bit silly to claim that any farang living in Thailand and married to a Thai is a racist.

Edited October 15, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[BritManToo]

40 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think that’s a variation on ‘some of my best friends are Black’.

86% of the UK population is white, 50% of the population are female.

If there were no racism in the UK, 4 of the last 5 chancellors should have been white.

If there was no sexism at least 2 should have been female.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

BS. How does sending them to Rwanda put them at risk? The risk they face is crossing the channel in rubber boats.

Are you suggesting that everyone in Rwanda is "at risk" or that those sent from Britain should be treated better than the citizens of Rwanda?

If they don't want to go to Rwanda the answer is simple- stay in the first safe country they come to, instead of trying to get to Britain in a rubber boat.

Being a subject matter expert on asylum seeking you should know that those sent offshore by Oz government were put at risk as they were not welcomed by the locals. You can bet same will appl to Rwanda, especially given the current situation and recent history. How kindly stop wasting my time, as usual, with your iinformed comments. - no further reply.

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not really, as it's not what the topic is about.

Feel free to introduce it though.

I don’t need your advice on what to introduce.
 

As to the post you responded to, I merely commented on a well made point.

 

A point entirely in line with the topics theme.

Edited October 15, 2022 by Bluespunk

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Being a subject matter expert on asylum seeking you should know that those sent offshore by Oz government were put at risk

Who would care if they died?

In the case of the boat people entering the UK, the French and the EU don't appear to care, if they did they would have stopped them entering the boats at the French end.

So why does the UK have to care?

Edited October 15, 2022 by BritManToo

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps he doesn't realise that you live in Thailand and married to a non white woman?

Bit silly to claim that any farang living in Thailand and married to a Thai is a racist.

It’s a line of argument that deserves its own thread. 
 

Unfortunately this isn’t the thread and that’s not the topic in this one.

 

 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Who would care if they died?

In the case of the boat people entering the UK, the French and the EU don't appear to care, if they did they would have stopped them entering the boats at the French end.

So why does the UK have to care?

Guess you've never heard of Duty of Care. As an UK citizen I care if HMG make decisions such as Off Shore Processing contrary to international signed and ratified Conventions; for me it's a failure of will and a cowardly act pandering to the ugly propaganda from the right of Centre.

 

Given the OP is in regard to UK culture / society, France is Off Topic.

Edited October 15, 2022 by simple1

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

BS. How does sending them to Rwanda put them at risk? The risk they face is crossing the channel in rubber boats.

Are you suggesting that everyone in Rwanda is "at risk" or that those sent from Britain should be treated better than the citizens of Rwanda?

If they don't want to go to Rwanda the answer is simple- stay in the first safe country they come to, instead of trying to get to Britain in a rubber boat.

Read and inwardly digest:

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-07-19/uk-officials-warned-government-not-to-pursue-rwanda-deportation-plan-court-hears

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Who would care if they died?

In the case of the boat people entering the UK, the French and the EU don't appear to care, if they did they would have stopped them entering the boats at the French end.

So why does the UK have to care?

I don’t know many people who are unable to grasp the idea that the death of a human being is something someone always cares about.

 

In fact I don’t know any.

 

I’m left wondering, what kind of mind set even contemplates the idea of nobody caring about the life of another human being.

 

But then I remember, it’s refugees, asylum seekers and migrants you are talking about.

[BritManToo]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But then I remember, it’s refugees, asylum seekers and migrants you are talking about.

It's foreign invaders backed by France and the EU I'm talking about.

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps he doesn't realise that you live in Thailand and married to a non white woman?

Bit silly to claim that any farang living in Thailand and married to a Thai is a racist.

I watched this BBC documentary  recently about two far right racist extremists who seem to have became very fond of each other and then went to Africa and the video addresses the topic of this thread  . 

  45 minutes, but worth a watch if you have nothing better to do 

 

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I watched this BBC documentary  recently about two far right racist extremists who seem to have became very fond of each other and then went to Africa and the video addresses the topic of this thread  . 

  45 minutes, but worth a watch if you have nothing better to do 

 

 

Lovely ending.

[RayC]

17 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Lovely ending.

(Spoiler alert)

 

The music at the end was also great. Couldn't bring myself to watch the 44 mins preceding the wedding.

[Atlantis]

On 10/14/2022 at 3:49 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh, so there is no racism in the UK then?

 

 

OP: How racism, etc....were woven into the fabric of of the UK.

BM's:
....."are you saying there's no racism" in the UK?

And many variations on that old theme. What a cheap diversionary tactic that wastes everyone's time.
 

[Mac Mickmanus]

51 minutes ago, RayC said:

(Spoiler alert)

 

The music at the end was also great. Couldn't bring myself to watch the 44 mins preceding the wedding.

White supremacist neo Nazi has relationship with young non White teenager in Africa .

   This tells us that guys who marry Thai females can still be racists and "I got a Black friend " excuse doesn't mean they aren't racists  .

   They are racists who like young females and its safer in other Countries than it is back in Europe 

[Chomper Higgot]

34 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

White supremacist neo Nazi has relationship with young non White teenager in Africa .

   This tells us that guys who marry Thai females can still be racists and "I got a Black friend " excuse doesn't mean they aren't racists  .

   They are racists who like young females and its safer in other Countries than it is back in Europe 

I suggest trying the internet search ‘white supremacist Asian women’ 

 

It turns out to be a thing.

[kwilco]

Haven't been through this thread - but my experience in Thailand is that the practice of "othered" is rife amongst expats here.

[kwilco]

On 10/14/2022 at 3:49 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

They call other people racists and that person is left trying to convince others that he isn't a racist

There are certain hallmarks, trait, and cliches that help you identify a racist - one is they spend a lot of time arguing that they, someone or something isn't racist....the irony is lost on them.

[kwilco]

On 10/14/2022 at 5:07 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Unless it's changed since I left that, IMO, is not true.

 

It's alway been there - so many white people never notice it or are in denial. From out and out blatant aggression to thousands of microaggressions, it there. People are getting more educated - so in one sense what was always here is now noticed more and understood better......but it's always been there.

[Mac Mickmanus]

9 minutes ago, kwilco said:

There are certain hallmarks, trait, and cliches that help you identify a racist - one is they spend a lot of time arguing that they, someone or something isn't racist....the irony is lost on them.

That just doesn't make any logical sense .

If you accuse someone of being a racist, if they deny it.................that's evidence they are a racist .

   That is lefty logic .