[VIDEO] Pit Bull attack at condominium - juristic person tells victim they had just seen the animal

[PJ71]

30 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Nightmare nieghbor. 

I have big land and do not live in an urban environment, one reason is so i don't have neighbours like you.

 

Also, just so you sleep better if i do take my pits out they're always on a leash.

 

Stay safe out there, it's a jungle!

 

 

[JimTripper]

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[spidermike007]

You live in a building like that, with irresponsible management, and you carry an aluminum baseball bat from your car to your unit. The dog approaches with malice, and you simply crack his ugly skull and advise the owner to be more judicious in his next choice of a dog. Let him clean up the mess, and take time to reflect. Problem solved. 

[steven100]

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Dog was clearly startled

what a load of rubbish. The dog attacked the girl,  it's that simple. 

[richard_smith237]

10 hours ago, tweedledee2 said:

13 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

This is not the same as failing to train a cocker spaniel

I had a neighbor (34 old F) in the the US that babysat 2 preschool age children in their home, while their parents worked. She had worked 4 weeks, when the family pet a cocker spaniel attacked her. She was hospitalized for 5 days to treat bites to all  extremities, back, chest and face. 

Horrific, I hope that dog was put down.  A pit bull just would have sniffed and licked the child... we’ll quite likely, we’ll never know... and thats the problem with anecdotal stories... 

... there is a story for everything... but the stats show the true pictures - more pitbulls attack and kill than any other dog. 

 

[richard_smith237]

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Indeed. Here's an example of a well trained, well socialized PitBull.

 

Like all dogs, great when raised correctly.

 

 

Lovely... but as you wrote.... ‘when raised correctly’....

 

The thing with a kitten, even when raised poorly they can’t do much damage to people (or a child)... 

The thing with smaller dogs, even when raised poorly they can’t do much damage to people (or a child)...

 

The issue with those dogs on the dangerous dogs lists, when raised poorly they are extremely dangerous. 

 

The should either be completely banned, or heavily licensed like guns and owners fully accountable if their dog ever attacks. 

[richard_smith237]

6 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

People kill, horribly.

Yes they do....    Does that in any way diminish the severity or reduce the frequency of dangerous dog attacks ???

 

People also drive drunk...  people do lots of stupid, bad, dangerous and horrible things....   Does any of that make a dog attack acceptable ?

 

 

Some idiot is going to come along and tell us they’d rather spend time with a Pit Bill than a human !!!...  

I’ve seen the arguments before... they are always flawed and always deranged. 

 

There is no intelligent reason to keep animals that are known to be highly dangerous when triggered. 

 

I’d have more respect for these dog owns if they simply argued that they like these animals because they make them feel empowered or some such bumf....  lets face it, these same flawed minds would feel highly emasculated walking a fluffy poodle !!!... 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, PJ71 said:

No, a comment from a Pit Bull owner for the last 20 years ++, that's what my comment is based on. I don't comment on things i know nothing about, a rule of thumb perhaps others could follow.....maybe yourself included.

Your dogs are probably lovely... Great.

 

5 hours ago, PJ71 said:

Normally when people meet normal well trained Pit Bulls their opinion of the breed is instantly changed due to their nature, maybe you'd like to come by and meet mine,

I have friends in Thailand with Pitbulls, they are lovely animals when cared for and well trained. 

The issue is not everyone cares for them a property or trained them well. 

 

This doesn't mean you should get so butt-hurt and defensive, no one is criticising your ability to teach your own dogs.

But, we are criticising the potential of bread itself when someone does not do their job of looking after them properly and they take a lot of looking after. 

 

5 hours ago, PJ71 said:

doubt they'd like you tho...

What do you think they’d go for first, face or throat ? 

 

 

5 hours ago, PJ71 said:

Don't worry i've heard all the comments many times before from 'experts' that have zero experience with Pits.

.....And you have zero experience with the ones which untrained and have attacked people, maimed kids, killed their owners....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, PJ71 said:

Normally when people meet normal well trained Pit Bulls their opinion of the breed is instantly changed due to their nature

I doubt that, they’re just relieved the dog you’ve introduced them to isn’t one of the aggressive and dangerous ones... 

 

 

But... no one is suggesting that ALL pitballs are bad.... 

... but they (we) are agreeing with experts who have persuaded governments in our home countries to places these dogs on the dangers dogs lists, to require licensing or to ban them completely.

 

Mo matter how the ‘pit-bull turd is polished and rolled in glitter’ it still potentially a very dangerous animal and it proves that it is more frequently with greater severity than any other dog we keep as a pet. 

 

 

I wonder why PitBull owners don’t just have a Golden Retriever...   

... I suppose calling a golden retriever ‘ripper’ doesn’t quite have the the same impact when flexing in the park !!!  ???? ????

 

 

[richard_smith237]

3 hours ago, steven100 said:

13 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Dog was clearly startled

what a load of rubbish. The dog attacked the girl,  it's that simple. 

Well... the dog was startled... 

... It was startled when the lady walked out, so it bit.

It was startled when she screamed, so it tried to bite again. 

It was startled when she ran off, so it tried to attack again and the owner struggled to restrain the animal.. 

 

.... That lovely kind well trained pet really must have been horribly startled by that bad lady... 

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, PJ71 said:

I have big land and do not live in an urban environment, one reason is so i don't have neighbours like you.

 

Also, just so you sleep better if i do take my pits out they're always on a leash.

 

Stay safe out there, it's a jungle!

 

In another thread... another owner made the same comments.

His dogs were also clearly well trained and a minimum threat to anyone around them.

 

But, what about all the other Pitbulls and dangers breeds of dogs that are not well trained ???...  

 

You see PJ71... This discussion isn’t about your dogs....  Its about the ones which are poorly trained, with bad owners who don’t care.... then someone gets attacked... 

 

... IF you were a completely responsible dog owner you would recognise and discuss the risk and have suggestions rather than coming up with ‘well my dogs are ok’ so there can’t be any issue type response which does not address the issue at all. 

 

 

[scorecard]

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Horrific, I hope that dog was put down.  A pit bull just would have sniffed and licked the child... we’ll quite likely, we’ll never know... and thats the problem with anecdotal stories... 

... there is a story for everything... but the stats show the true pictures - more pitbulls attack and kill than any other dog. 

 

And maybe the baby sitter hated dogs, all dogs and was violent to the dog, maybe she kicked the dog continuously. Who knows.

 

Reality is that in all of these cases the real truth is not known, fake stories can easily be 'constructed' and lies and untruths seem to abound nowadays, especially in the US. 

[Orinoco]

Nice Doggy.

One more time for the Dangerous dog owners of this forum.

You are so cool to keep owning or breading these types of dogs.

This is someone's child. 

You disgust me,  wanting to have these creatures around.

 

[jacko45k]

14 hours ago, newnative said:

Dogs and condos. . . no.

Wrong for residents, particularly neighbours, and the dogs. Unhygienic around the buildings too. 

[hotchilli]

18 hours ago, webfact said:

The juristic person at the condo said they had been unaware of the pet being kept in the condo.

 

It had been there for two years.

Very observant juristic person?

[Andre0720]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yes they do....    Does that in any way diminish the severity or reduce the frequency of dangerous dog attacks ???

 

People also drive drunk...  people do lots of stupid, bad, dangerous and horrible things....   Does any of that make a dog attack acceptable ?

 

 

Some idiot is going to come along and tell us they’d rather spend time with a Pit Bill than a human !!!...  

I’ve seen the arguments before... they are always flawed and always deranged. 

 

There is no intelligent reason to keep animals that are known to be highly dangerous when triggered. 

 

I’d have more respect for these dog owns if they simply argued that they like these animals because they make them feel empowered or some such bumf....  lets face it, these same flawed minds would feel highly emasculated walking a fluffy poodle !!!... 

 

The main problem is that : 'You cannot tell if you are dealing with a docile Pit Bull, (yes there are some amazingly well behaved ones), or with a time bomb (well documented behavior).

When I see a German shepherd, I have no fear, even if I know that some can be dangerous. If an owner tells me that his German shepherd is not dangerous, my tendency is to believe him.

When I see a Pit Bull, I have fear, based on statistical facts. Even if the owner of such a dog will claim that his dog is docile. These dogs are docile until they are not. They are part of the statistics, and part of grieving families who claim that they had no idea that their dog could kill their family members, kill their children. The risk is there, for their own family, and quite compounded when dealing with strangers.

 

If it makes someone feel comfortable to keep in their back yard a war bomb that did not explode, because it makes him feel good, feel safe, keeping unwanted people away, and still claiming this this bomb is a docile one, never exploded before, maybe even de-fused, never know.  Well, just do not invite me on your property.

I feel better seeing swings and slides for children in back yards. Or even a German shepherd.

Just the way I am.

[JonnyF]

15 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

"Like all dogs, great when raised correctly."

 

And the key words are when raised correctly. Unfortunately, it seems a majority of them are not and that makes them dangerous and that's why the breed should be "discontinued".

No. That's why owners should be educated. There is no reason to wipe out an entire breed just because certain humans do not know how to raise them. 

 

It would be impossible anyway, since "PitBull" is a general term that can cover many different breeds such as Cane Corso, American PitBull Terrier, Doggo Argentino, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Bulldog, various cross breeds etc.

 

 

There was an attack a couple of years ago reported on here by what was clearly a badly bred English bulldog that was labelled "PitBull" attack. Time to educate people.

[mikebell]

18 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Homosexuality is also banned in many countries. Just because some countries ban something, doesn't make it evil. Sometimes it's just a case of educating people.

You cannot educate dog owners; they are blinded by sentimentality.  Thailand is 80 years behind Europe in dog legislation/enforcement because of people like you.  The average uneducated Thai sees nothing wrong with allowing dogs to run freely in traffic; to defecate/urinate anywhere even in school playgrounds; owners are deaf to their pets' noise throughout the night. 

This insensitivity, I suggest, is not solely due to emotion but perhaps a lack of intelligence?

[JonnyF]

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I wonder why PitBull owners don’t just have a Golden Retriever...   

... I suppose calling a golden retriever ‘ripper’ doesn’t quite have the the same impact when flexing in the park !!!  ???? ????

I've had Labradors, which are very close to Golden Retrievers so maybe I can answer that.

 

Labs are great dogs but very greedy and suffer from a lot of health problems. They are also a little bit bland, lacking some of the huge character and quirkiness of the PitBull personality. PitBulls are also superior ratters, removing small vermin (mine is great with rats, Jinjok, Tookay, snakes, even pigeons) from properties very effectively. Short haired (wouldn't want the long hair of a Golden Retriever), easy to care for - happy snoozing with you all day or taking long walks. Also, PitBulls are better guard dogs (my gf lives alone on the farm during the weekdays while I am working in Bangkok and having the PitBull in the house puts my mind at ease when I'm away) and suffer few health problems. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but for me I think PitBulls are better looking dogs as well. 

 

PS I don't flex, and my dogs stay on the farm, unseen by anyone unless they come onto our property.  

 

You seem to be as effective generalizing the owners are you are the dogs themselves.

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, mikebell said:

You cannot educate dog owners; they are blinded by sentimentality.  Thailand is 80 years behind Europe in dog legislation/enforcement because of people like you.  The average uneducated Thai sees nothing wrong with allowing dogs to run freely in traffic; to defecate/urinate anywhere even in school playgrounds; owners are deaf to their pets' noise throughout the night. 

This insensitivity, I suggest, is not solely due to emotion but perhaps a lack of intelligence?

????????

 

People like me?

 

1. I'm under 50 and British so I'm not sure how I am responsible for Thailand being 80 years behind Europe in anything. 

2. My PitBull is kept in a large, secure pen which is attached to our house and walked on our private farm on an extendable lead. I am not responsible for Thai people's behaviour, I am a guest here.

3. I am degree educated and have a senior expat position in a multinational here in Bangkok.

 

Maybe you should address your preconceptions...

 

Oh, any other points you'd like to address? ????

[Boyn]

18 hours ago, Neeranam said:

My wife wants a crocodile to guard our house. 

I tried that but the crocodile was terrified of the wife.

[Boyn]

I always assumed that dogs were not allowed in condos, anybody got an idea of what percentage of condos allow them?

[bendejo]

From experiences in childhood, I got the impression dogs have a natural predilection to defending kids.  I was really surprised to read this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pit-bull-advocates-criticized-for-victim-blaming-family-who-lost-two-children-in-dog-attack/ar-AA137XqF

 

 

[Tropposurfer]

Ask any decently trained vet or dog behaviourist will tell you once a dog bites the chances of it never doing it again are extremely slim to none.

I've owned many dogs and have 2 Dal's right now - both whom are gentle, socialised, calm, but assertive, happy animals who do not overreact to other dogs even vicious ones. They take care of each other when threatened by cranky scared animals by the way.

 

Once it reaches the point of biting an animal will be highly likely to do it again some day.

 

Given Thai law and its administration around vicious dogs it will, more than likely with this animal see no effective intervention, and it will happen again.

 

Any animal that, without provocation, attacks another animal or human being indicates it is severely maladapted and very dangerous.

 

Viciously mauling a person, as this dog began to do by biting and intending to continue to do so - evidenced by the owner and the victim in concert forcibly having to brake off the attack both by running away and kicking the dog means it more than likely could have killed her.

The out of control behaviour of this dog (going from 0 to 10 rapidly) indicated either euthanasia or permanent muzzling are the ONLY SAFE options left if/when it has ANY future opportunity to be around people - including its owner.

 

Killing the woman was highly likely, if, it had managed to latch onto her throat, abdomen, or groins (these are the instinctive zones to kill by such killing breeds - severing arteries - bleeding out, choking, or disembowelling).

The use of the term 'killing breed' is apt if one takes the time to search the origins of such breeds and their intentional creation i.e. to attack, hold bears other large animals and or to pull them down. Being bred in the 1800's in England. Over the centuries in some circles they have been used to fight each other.

The American pit-bull terrier breed come from these same English origin breeds. They have been used and interbred for many decades across the globe to hunt, pull-down, and kill game and feral animals.

 

To be clear any dog has the capacity to bite without warning, especially so if it is maladapted. If it has some size then it has the capacity to kill - especially if it is a powerful, purpose-bred, animal.

The salient difference in this breed and other similar to them is they, if they attack, seldom just bit once or a few times and release after each bite. They bite with the specific intent to find an opening, to progress, and latch onto a vital area to pull down their prey then hold it until commanded or until it is dead.

 

Canine maladaptions come through such things as poor socialisation skills (very common in many dogs especially those who have no other dogs in the home) or lack of proactive social and obedience training from the puppy stage, mistreatment e.g being deliberately and irresponsibly isolated and confined, through neglect; shouting at, threatened, hit, beaten, witnessing violence and dysfunctional behaviour amongst its human carers.

 

Dogs like children mirror their elders psyche i.e. if an owner is paranoid, insecure, fearful - owns a dog or dogs with the intent to project fear outwards and instil it in others, to 'protect' themselves, latently violent - suppresses their own anger dogs will sense these and adapt.

 

If you have pitbulls (or any other latch-key dog/s) in your area maybe you could offer to walk and socialise them with your animals to lower threat levels. Muzzled of course before you come in contact with them. 

I always walk and exercise my dogs in places that I/we always check before we move about in. I also always carry a solid prod/choke-stick, and I have a great gadget I bought that emits a static electricity sound (no current) which scares the <deleted> out of dogs just in case a dog were to menace or attack my animals or me ... it works a treat every time so far.

If you're being menaced by dogs in your daily movements then I encourage you to make contact with a dog behaviourist and get some training.

 

 

[brianthainess]

So in two years, this dog has never been noticed, on CTV by the Juristic person, just goes to show the level of security in that building. 

[MyFriend You]

20 hours ago, Neeranam said:

My wife wants a crocodile to guard our house. 

Youi can feed it Village Soi Dogs, solves two problems at once...................Peace

[Liverpool Lou]

15 hours ago, Neeranam said:

19 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It wasn't the headline news, it was one article amongst many others and it is of interest to many.

A dog biting a woman getting out a lift is not interesting to many; if she had been killed another matter. 

"A dog biting a woman getting out a lift is not interesting to many..."

Er, yes it is, hence the interest here as just one example.

[PJ71]

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I have friends in Thailand with Pitbulls, they are lovely animals when cared for and well trained. 

The issue is not everyone cares for them a property or trained them well. 

Fair comment

 

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

What do you think they’d go for first, face or throat ? 

Just coz they do not like people does not mean they attack, if they were to 'attack' i'd imagine it would be a leg or possibly hand, throat and face are to high for pits unless the 'victim' is horizontal.

 

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

And you have zero experience with the ones which untrained and have attacked people, maimed kids, killed their owners....

I have plenty experience with untrained ones, i've taken 2 in the past that panned out to be great animals.

[PJ71]

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I doubt that, they’re just relieved the dog you’ve introduced them to isn’t one of the aggressive and dangerous ones...

Absurd comment, you have no idea what they think, how could you?

 

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I wonder why PitBull owners don’t just have a Golden Retriever...  

Again, another absurd comment, i wonder why all people don't drive a Prius, i wonder why all people don't drink Leo, so on and so forth. Are we not allowed a choice? Are you from N Korea?

 

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I suppose calling a golden retriever ‘ripper’ doesn’t quite have the the same impact when flexing in the park !!!  ???? ????

Are you one of the guys that defends people driving Harleys?

[PJ71]

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

IF you were a completely responsible dog owner you would recognise and discuss the risk and have suggestions rather than coming up with ‘well my dogs are ok’ so there can’t be any issue type response which does not address the issue at all. 

Ok dad.