Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[RayC]

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There is some truth about bendy bananas and it isn't lies :

 

A. Minimum requirements In all classes, subject to the special provisions for each class and the tolerances allowed, the bananas must be:

 

— free from malformation or abnormal curvature of the fingers,

Now that we are out of the EU, British bananas are now free to be whatever shape, girth, length, etc that they choose to be. 

 

That's changed my mind. Brexit: It's all been worthwhile. #Freetheoppressedbritishbanana

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

Now that we are out of the EU, British bananas are now free to be whatever shape, girth, length, etc that they choose to be. 

 

That's changed my mind. Brexit: It's all been worthwhile. #Freetheoppressedbritishbanana

“Four banana, three banana, two banana, one
All bananas playing in the bright warm sun
Flipping like a pancake, popping like a cork
Fleagle bingo drooper and snork

Tra la la, tra la la, la
Tra la la, tra la la, la
Tra la la, tra la la, la
Tra la la, tra la la, la”

 

The Dickies

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

Now that we are out of the EU, British bananas are now free to be whatever shape, girth, length, etc that they choose to be. 

 

That's changed my mind. Brexit: It's all been worthwhile. #Freetheoppressedbritishbanana

It seems to be a cunning plan by the French , to make us by their bananas and not bananas from other Countries , that's what it was all about

 

https://euobserver.com/news/149607

Edited November 22, 2022 by Mac Mickmanus

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It seems to be a cunning plan by the French , to make us by their bananas and not bananas from other Countries , that's what it was all about

Evidence please. 

[candide]

4 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

Yes. I had forgotten about them - obviously, some Remainers have not.

No it's a Brexiteer who first posted about it in this thread ????

[candide]

4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, you are lying .

There were indeed bans on various fruits and vegetables because they didn't meet the E.U.s requirements and those bans were lifted in 2009 after a 20 year ban 

 

https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2009/07/02/EU-scraps-ban-on-misshaped-fruit-and-veg

Why is it of high importance to be allowed to sell bananas which are not free from malformation or abnormal curvature of the finger? Only Brexiters would think so, obviously.

 

Never mind the common market! Think about the benefit of being able to order bent bananas instead! ????

Edited November 22, 2022 by candide

[candide]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

Now that we are out of the EU, British bananas are now free to be whatever shape, girth, length, etc that they choose to be. 

 

That's changed my mind. Brexit: It's all been worthwhile. #Freetheoppressedbritishbanana

#Takingbackcontrolofourbananas

????

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

Why is it of high importance to be allowed to sell bananas which are not free from malformation or abnormal curvature of the finger? Only Brexiters would think so, obviously.

 

A lot of the food was going to waste because it didn't reach the requirements , an  annoyance for all involved from the growers to the sellers and the buyers , of course the few guys sitting in Brussels making all the rules weren't effected and they weren't there studying the shape of bananas to make sure they were within the required size 

[candide]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

A lot of the food was going to waste because it didn't reach the requirements , an  annoyance for all involved from the growers to the sellers and the buyers , of course the few guys sitting in Brussels making all the rules weren't effected and they weren't there studying the shape of bananas to make sure they were within the required size 

So they changed in 2009. Good!

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

So they changed in 2009. Good!

It began in the UK media in about 1994 and it became a long running joke , like British housewife's wanted bananas bigger than the minimum 5 and a half inch's and things like that

[candide]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It began in the UK media in about 1994 and it became a long running joke , like British housewife's wanted bananas bigger than the minimum 5 and a half inch's and things like that

I can understand them!

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, superal said:

the UK will be at the forefront of the massive rebuilding of Ukraine .

I hope not at the expense of the UK taxpayer. At the least a loan that Ukraine has to pay back like the UK had to do for US support during WW2.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

No worries. Bear in mind that this reg was for green bananas - you know the ones from Mars.

It doesn't matter what colour bananas it was about. The point I was making was that the faceless bureaucrats in Brussels were inventing stupid rules to impose on individual countries, and it's great that they can't do such on Britain any more- totally worth it.

Bananas were just an example of Brussels over reach.

[josephbloggs]

7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

A lot of the food was going to waste because it didn't reach the requirements , an  annoyance for all involved from the growers to the sellers and the buyers , of course the few guys sitting in Brussels making all the rules weren't effected and they weren't there studying the shape of bananas to make sure they were within the required size 

Complete lie, nothing was going to waste. The banana rule was only a classification of grades of quality, nothing more.

 

You Brexiteers certainly do like to make up nonsense to support your views.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johnson-launches-the-vote-leave-battlebus-in-cornwall

[josephbloggs]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It doesn't matter what colour bananas it was about. The point I was making was that the faceless bureaucrats in Brussels were inventing stupid rules to impose on individual countries, and it's great that they can't do such on Britain any more- totally worth it.

Bananas were just an example of Brussels over reach.

"Faceless bureaucrats" - top marks for the meaningless cliche.

They were not "stupid rules" and they were not made without our approval, we could block any rule we liked. The whole myth about bendy bananas was just nonsense drummed up by the Daily Mail.  The rule was merely a grading system for quality of bananas so you knew if you were getting grade 1, 2, or 3 when you ordered as a wholesaler.  What is the problem with that?  Should anyone be allowed to sell low quality produce as top priced Class A merchandise?  Shouldn't we have grading systems for quality of fresh produce?  Why are you against consumer protection? Bananas of all shapes and sizes were free to be sold and traded anywhere in the EU.

Likewise the whole Daily Mail "they are telling us how powerful our vacuum cleaners can be" outrage. This was about electricity consumption and making consumer goods more efficient, and the vacuum cleaner manufacturers were in favour.  Similar legislation made our fridges and freezers 30% more energy efficient. Again, what is wrong with that?

It seems anti EU people jump on any single issue raised by the Daily Mail without doing a jot of research to see if there is any truth to it.  And then they throw in "EU dictat" or "faceless bureaucrats" to make themselves feel better.

Try harder.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

A lot of the food was going to waste because it didn't reach the requirements , an  annoyance for all involved from the growers to the sellers and the buyers , of course the few guys sitting in Brussels making all the rules weren't effected and they weren't there studying the shape of bananas to make sure they were within the required size 

Most food wasted is down to supermarket purchasing and display quality policies.

 

Nothing to do with the EU or Governments for that matter.

[Mac Mickmanus]

33 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Complete lie, nothing was going to waste. The banana rule was only a classification of grades of quality, nothing more.

 

You Brexiteers certainly do like to make up nonsense to support your views.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johnson-launches-the-vote-leave-battlebus-in-cornwall

Its not a lie , its the truth

[josephbloggs]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its not a lie , its the truth

Ok then, that showed me! Well done.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, josephbloggs said:

Ok then, that showed me! Well done.

You're welcome .

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its not a lie , its the truth

No it’s not. Bananas were not banned, only classified, as the link you provided earlier stated…

 

”In truth, the European Union does have a banana law. Regulation 2257/94 decrees that bananas should meet minimum quality standards such as being 'free from malformation or abnormal curvature of the fingers'.

 

The law does not outright ban bendy bananas. Rather, it restricts their sale to certain trade categories.”

 

https://euobserver.com/news/149607

 

 

[NanLaew]

On 11/21/2022 at 6:36 AM, placeholder said:

It's just a matter of swings?

Yes.

 

On 11/21/2022 at 6:36 AM, placeholder said:

Highs and lows?

Again yes.

 

On 11/21/2022 at 6:36 AM, placeholder said:

There is no trend at all apparent to you?

Obviously not.

 

Is there a trend that's apparent to you?

[NanLaew]

On 11/21/2022 at 9:35 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Last week Jeremy Hunt made the statement that ‘unfettered trade with the UK’s nearest neighbours would be good for growth’.

 

It doesn’t take a lot of thinking to work out what he was referring to.

 

For those that struggle to do so there is this little gem, reports of the UK Government seeking a Swiss-Style trade agreement with the EU.

 

I know, Brexit is done, except clearly it is not and very clearly the divisions in the Tory Party are bubbling up under the surface:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11448055/Government-considering-putting-UK-road-Swiss-style-relationship-EU.html

 

 

Hunt's a Remainer in Brexiteer's clothing. Speaks with forked tongue. How else can he have survived the purges and turmoil of the Tories enduring struggles to run their on own shop?

 

Now that Starmer has nailed Labour's Brexit colors to the wall, it's time to kick the deplorable Tory party into touch at the next election.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmer-promises-to-make-brexit-better-not-rejoin-the-eu-rvm8fbxdf

 

Now that Momentum are crashing and burning, the lefties are fleeing Labour in droves. The only hope the Tories have of making the next election something with which the British electorate can fully engage, is to get rid of their own extremists within. Unfortunately, with successive administration, repeatedly giving some of them jobs in the cabinet, the rot is too deep to be easily excise.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/22/momentum-in-financial-peril-after-leftwing-exodus-from-labour

[NanLaew]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

23 hours ago, superal said:

the UK will be at the forefront of the massive rebuilding of Ukraine .

I hope not at the expense of the UK taxpayer. At the least a loan that Ukraine has to pay back like the UK had to do for US support during WW2.

Think of it as an investment rather than an expense. That's how the American's saw the lend-lease program.

[superal]

18 hours ago, RayC said:

As I said previously, unfortunately given the devastation, I imagine that there will be plenty of work to go around. Who pays for it may be a bigger issue.

 

Again, the UK government deserves credit for the military support that it has provided but the humanitarian aid provided by Poland (1.5m refugees accommodated); Germany (1 m) and Czechia (.4m) shouldn't be forgotten.

Who pays for it ? Russia of course . Russia needs to be invaded and stripped of its assets . Especially the gas and oil which can be put back on line to serve the European countries . The possibility of any more hostilities from Russia needs to be quashed for once and for ever . 

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, superal said:

Who pays for it ? Russia of course . Russia needs to be invaded and stripped of its assets . Especially the gas and oil which can be put back on line to serve the European countries . The possibility of any more hostilities from Russia needs to be quashed for once and for ever . 

History teaches us that nothing good ever happens for those invading Russia.

 

Not defending Russia here, putin must pay for his war crimes, but invading Russia is not an answer.

Edited November 23, 2022 by Bluespunk
more detail added

[superal]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I hope not at the expense of the UK taxpayer. At the least a loan that Ukraine has to pay back like the UK had to do for US support during WW2.

Russia must pay for not only the reinstatement of buildings etc but also the costs involved by other countries that have taken in the Ukraine refugees plus the military aid given in support of Ukraine by other countries .

[Bluespunk]

Just keeps getting worse for those already struggling in the U.K.  Right wing free marketeers flexing their muscles and exploiting their hold on sunak. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/22/rishi-sunak-faces-mps-rebellion-over-housebuilding-targets?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

#electionnow

[johnnybangkok]

4 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

"Faceless bureaucrats" - top marks for the meaningless cliche.

They were not "stupid rules" and they were not made without our approval, we could block any rule we liked. The whole myth about bendy bananas was just nonsense drummed up by the Daily Mail.  The rule was merely a grading system for quality of bananas so you knew if you were getting grade 1, 2, or 3 when you ordered as a wholesaler.  What is the problem with that?  Should anyone be allowed to sell low quality produce as top priced Class A merchandise?  Shouldn't we have grading systems for quality of fresh produce?  Why are you against consumer protection? Bananas of all shapes and sizes were free to be sold and traded anywhere in the EU.

Likewise the whole Daily Mail "they are telling us how powerful our vacuum cleaners can be" outrage. This was about electricity consumption and making consumer goods more efficient, and the vacuum cleaner manufacturers were in favour.  Similar legislation made our fridges and freezers 30% more energy efficient. Again, what is wrong with that?

It seems anti EU people jump on any single issue raised by the Daily Mail without doing a jot of research to see if there is any truth to it.  And then they throw in "EU dictat" or "faceless bureaucrats" to make themselves feel better.

Try harder.

 

 

Whether it was bendy bananas, vacuum cleaners or immigration, the Brexit Brigade were sold lies after lies to constitute the worst commercial decision ever taken by a sovereign nation. But none of them looked into the validity of these frankly ridiculous statements because facts seldom mattered and cognitive bias was the order of the day.

Even on this thread, many have been presented with substantiated facts and solid reasons behind the absurdities they were sold (and keep on repeating) but time and time again they are ignored because all that really mattered was keeping those pesky foreigners away from England's hallowed shores.

At least for large parts of this thread we got to see the real reasons why most voted Brexit and it had nothing to do with the economy (with many openly admitting they don't give a damn), or even the supposedly oppressive EU law (which was neither oppressive nor compulsory) and everything to do with 'securing borders'.

The whole topic of this thread was 'why is the uk struggling more than other countries' and whilst I will freely admit (and have stated previously) that there are more than one contributory factor to take into account, to deny Brexit has played and continues to play a major part in this 'struggle' is ostrich syndrome of the highest order.      

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

the Brexit Brigade were sold lies after lies to constitute the worst commercial decision ever taken by a sovereign nation. But none of them looked into the validity of these frankly ridiculous statements because facts seldom mattered and cognitive bias was the order of the day.

The Brexit brigade wanted the Albanians, Polish, Romanians, etc. and other 3rd world white East Euro 3rd world cheap labour out of the UK. There was no other reason for the Brexit vote.

 

Brexit has done this and should therefore be considered a success.

Edited November 23, 2022 by BritManToo

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The Brexit brigade wanted the Albanians, Polish, Romanians, etc. and other 3rd world white East Euro 3rd world cheap labour out of the UK. There was no other reason for the Brexit vote.

 

Brexit has done this and should therefore be considered a success.

So that poster campaign Leave put out depicting non white migrants, that was an irrelevance?

 

All those posts on this forum from Brexit supporters about Syrians, Afghans and Indians flooding the UK, that was just ‘banter’?