Data from Hunter Biden's laptop is real and was not planted by Russians looking to frame the Biden family: CBS News

[SunnyinBangrak]

20 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Once again:  Legitimate news organizations don't publish unverified stories, the "highly organized effort" you refer to was conducted under the Trump administration, and no verifiable link to President Biden has been reported. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

"Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say

More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son."

 

Politico is a "legitimate" news organization. Yet they ran this garbage just before an election even though Tony Bobulinksi - who had the evidence to prove it ie his phone and email records - had already corroborated the important emails, and neither Joe, nor Hunter, nor their spokesperson denied the laptop was Hunters.

 

It was fake news. It was a BIG LIE. None of the 51 had "evidence" the laptop was Russian Disinformation, they lied. The 51 rogue intel officers such as Brennan will be investigated until the cows come home, there is no punishment too severe for these "credible people" that just because they had irrational hatred for Trump, decided to gaslight and lie to the country with monstrous consequences.

Edited December 12, 2022 by SunnyinBangrak

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57 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

"Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say

More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son."

 

Politico is a "legitimate" news organization. Yet they ran this garbage just before an election even though Tony Bobulinksi - who had the evidence to prove it ie his phone and email records - had already corroborated the important emails, and neither Joe, nor Hunter, nor their spokesperson denied the laptop was Hunters.

 

It was fake news. It was a BIG LIE. None of the 51 had "evidence" the laptop was Russian Disinformation, they lied. The 51 rogue intel officers such as Brennan will be investigated until the cows come home, there is no punishment too severe for these tech workers that just because they had irrational hatred for Trump, decided to gaslight and lie to the country with monstrous consequences.

False again. Did you actually read the story you linked to? Here's what they wrote:

“If we are right,” they added, “this is Russia trying to influence how Americans vote in this election, and we believe strongly that Americans need to be aware of this.”

Given that the laptop surfaced at the last minute just before the elections, and that Giuliani refused to  share data that could establish its veracity, it was a very reasonable inference. When a reputable journalistic source gets evidence like this, they doublecheck and triple check it to make sure of its veracity. The Post did no such thing. The experienced reporter they assigned to write the story up refused the assignment precisely because he had integrity. Does the phrase "investigative reporting" mean anything to you?

As for Bobulinski, we've already seen the value of his "evidence."

[ozimoron]

32 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

"Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say

More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son."

 

Politico is a "legitimate" news organization. Yet they ran this garbage just before an election even though Tony Bobulinksi - who had the evidence to prove it ie his phone and email records - had already corroborated the important emails, and neither Joe, nor Hunter, nor their spokesperson denied the laptop was Hunters.

 

It was fake news. It was a BIG LIE. None of the 51 had "evidence" the laptop was Russian Disinformation, they lied. The 51 rogue intel officers such as Brennan will be investigated until the cows come home, there is no punishment too severe for these "credible people" that just because they had irrational hatred for Trump, decided to gaslight and lie to the country with monstrous consequences.

More than 50 former intelligence officials — including former CIA directors John Brennan and James Clapper — signed a letter in 2020 saying they didn’t have evidence to definitively call the New York Post story untrue.

 

But they wrote that their experience made them “deeply suspicious” that Moscow “played a significant role in this case” and might be trying to influence the 2020 presidential election, as President Biden was campaigning against former President Trump. 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3771147-mccarthy-says-gop-will-subpoena-intel-officials-who-signed-hunter-biden-letter/

Edited December 12, 2022 by ozimoron

[candide]

26 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

"Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say

More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son."

 

Politico is a "legitimate" news organization. Yet they ran this garbage just before an election even though Tony Bobulinksi - who had the evidence to prove it ie his phone and email records - had already corroborated the important emails, and neither Joe, nor Hunter, nor their spokesperson denied the laptop was Hunters.

 

It was fake news. It was a BIG LIE. None of the 51 had "evidence" the laptop was Russian Disinformation, they lied. The 51 rogue intel officers such as Brennan will be investigated until the cows come home, there is no punishment too severe for these "credible people" that just because they had irrational hatred for Trump, decided to gaslight and lie to the country with monstrous consequences.

Come on! Who would trust anything coming from Giuliani?

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/911957914/giuliani-distances-himself-from-ukrainian-sanctioned-by-u-s-as-russian-agent

 

When people, such as Trump and allies like Giuliani, have a record of lying and diffusing Russian disinformation, It's not surprising that no one wants to believe them!

[Credo]

31 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

"Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say

More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son."

 

Politico is a "legitimate" news organization. Yet they ran this garbage just before an election even though Tony Bobulinksi - who had the evidence to prove it ie his phone and email records - had already corroborated the important emails, and neither Joe, nor Hunter, nor their spokesperson denied the laptop was Hunters.

 

It was fake news. It was a BIG LIE. None of the 51 had "evidence" the laptop was Russian Disinformation, they lied. The 51 rogue intel officers such as Brennan will be investigated until the cows come home, there is no punishment too severe for these "credible people" that just because they had irrational hatred for Trump, decided to gaslight and lie to the country with monstrous consequences.

There has never been a link between Hunter's escapades or financial dealings to his father.  There is no big lie because NOBODY except the right-wingers ever cared about Hunter and they weren't going to vote for him anyway.  

 

Investigate as much as you want.  I suspect this will be another Benghazi story.

Let us know when you decide to come up out of the rabbit hole.  

[ozimoron]

This is about the hatchet men wanting untested conspiracy theories to be reported just prior to an election without first being tested. They know it works because Comey proved it.

[xylophone]

44 minutes ago, placeholder said:

False again. Did you actually read the story you linked to? Here's what they wrote:

“If we are right,” they added, “this is Russia trying to influence how Americans vote in this election, and we believe strongly that Americans need to be aware of this.”

Given that the laptop surfaced at the last minute just before the elections, and that Giuliani refused to  share data that could establish its veracity, it was a very reasonable inference. When a reputable journalistic source gets evidence like this, they doublecheck and triple check it to make sure of its veracity. The Post did no such thing. The experienced reporter they assigned to write the story up refused the assignment precisely because he had integrity. Does the phrase "investigative reporting" mean anything to you?

As for Bobulinski, we've already seen the value of his "evidence."

It looks like the poster with the avatar depicting a "savage" gets his posts wrong quite often, so good on you for countering them with facts and for @heybruce in stating that the "highly organized effort" that the painted face refers to was conducted under the Trump administration, and no verifiable link to President Biden has been reported. 

 

I don't follow this very closely, however I had to laugh when he stated that people "had an irrational hatred for Trump", because in my book the man is a thief, a crook and a clown, so why wouldn't people dislike him??

[ozimoron]

Hunter Biden Could Sue Fox News, Eric Trump and Rudy Giuliani

 

A team working on combatting potential legal battles brought against Hunter Biden has floated the possibility of bringing defamation suits against prominent GOP figures, according to a new report.

 

The Washington Post on Saturday published an in-depth report on the growing effort to plan for and potentially counteract the potential investigations into Hunter Biden once Republicans take control of the U.S. House in January.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-biden-could-sue-fox-news-eric-trump-rudy-giuliani-report-1766153

Edited December 12, 2022 by ozimoron

[SunnyinBangrak]

4 minutes ago, Credo said:

There has never been a link between Hunter's escapades or financial dealings to his father.  There is no big lie because NOBODY except the right-wingers ever cared about Hunter and they weren't going to vote for him anyway.  

 

Investigate as much as you want.  I suspect this will be another Benghazi story.

Let us know when you decide to come up out of the rabbit hole.  

Are you (falsely) claiming the laptop is STILL Russian disinformation? We've moved past that - see the headline of this thread.

 

Perhaps you can be the first leftie to say who the big guy is - if its not who we know it is?

 

I do wonder, when I come out of this "rabbit hole" will I realize that the laptop is Russian Disinfo and that the Chinese and Ukrainians were paying Hunter Biden, James Biden and Valerie Biden vast amounts of money in countries Joe Biden held significant sway for absolutely no reason at all. So mysterious! ????

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you (falsely) claiming the laptop is STILL Russian disinformation? We've moved past that - see the headline of this thread.

 

Perhaps you can be the first leftie to say who the big guy is - if its not who we know it is?

 

I do wonder, when I come out of this "rabbit hole" will I realize that the laptop is Russian Disinfo and that the Chinese and Ukrainians were paying Hunter Biden, James Biden and Valerie Biden vast amounts of money in countries Joe Biden held significant sway for absolutely no reason at all. So mysterious! ????

We're just wondering why it's taken the FBI so long to prosecute this heinous crime. So mysterious.

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4 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you (falsely) claiming the laptop is STILL Russian disinformation? We've moved past that - see the headline of this thread.

 

Perhaps you can be the first leftie to say who the big guy is - if its not who we know it is?

 

I do wonder, when I come out of this "rabbit hole" will I realize that the laptop is Russian Disinfo and that the Chinese and Ukrainians were paying Hunter Biden, James Biden and Valerie Biden vast amounts of money in countries Joe Biden held significant sway for absolutely no reason at all. So mysterious! ????

Why would it matter if Biden is the big guy? There was one mention of this in a tweet that said "10% for the big guy?" It was a question mark. And as I've cited to you again and again, Hunter Biden reported that the "chairman" presumably his father, gave a firm NO to that offer. And we don't even know if it's true that Joe Biden was even asked. Biden's brother's and son were not averse to throwing his name around. That may mark them as lowlifes, but it establishes nothing about Joe Biden. There is 0 evidence that Joe Biden ever profited from any deal shared with his son or brothers.

[Phoenix Rising]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ironically, if one were to start a post by saying "The left has a deep psychological need for the ( insert any of the failed attempts to convict Trump on something ) story. They desperately want Trump to be corrupt and for the whole family to be, in ( insert one of any Anti Trumper ) words, “a crime family” it would describe the last 6 years quite well.

And ironically they are (insert any of the allegations you made).

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

It looks like the poster with the avatar depicting a "savage" gets his posts wrong quite often, so good on you for countering them with facts and for @heybruce in stating that the "highly organized effort" that the painted face refers to was conducted under the Trump administration, and no verifiable link to President Biden has been reported. 

 

I don't follow this very closely, however I had to laugh when he stated that people "had an irrational hatred for Trump", because in my book the man is a thief, a crook and a clown, so why wouldn't people dislike him??

You for got to add a criminal and a traitor.

[vandeventer]

On 11/22/2022 at 5:38 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

if he took kickbacks and did not pay tax on them then yes.

 

The censorship of this laptop, even though it had been corroborated by TB, and the Bidens did not deny it was real is the biggest scandal of our lifetimes. And it completely changed the political landscape - which I guess is why they are not sorry for doing it 

 

"79% say ‘truthful’ coverage of Hunter Biden’s laptop would have changed 2020 election"

https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/2020-election-outcome-would-differ-with-hunter-biden-laptop-coverage-poll/

 

REAL election interference. I think will get answers now we have the house back. It is finally time for some honesty surrounding the Bidens.

 

 

Funny, if you were following Cnn, Msnbc,Or old Twitter no one would have known this.

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

"Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say

More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son."

 

Politico is a "legitimate" news organization. Yet they ran this garbage just before an election even though Tony Bobulinksi - who had the evidence to prove it ie his phone and email records - had already corroborated the important emails, and neither Joe, nor Hunter, nor their spokesperson denied the laptop was Hunters.

 

It was fake news. It was a BIG LIE. None of the 51 had "evidence" the laptop was Russian Disinformation, they lied. The 51 rogue intel officers such as Brennan will be investigated until the cows come home, there is no punishment too severe for these "credible people" that just because they had irrational hatred for Trump, decided to gaslight and lie to the country with monstrous consequences.

"Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say

More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son."

 

That was correct, wasn't it?

 

Even more informative is the first paragraph of the Politico article:

 

"More than 50 former senior intelligence officials have signed on to a letter outlining their belief that the recent disclosure of emails allegedly belonging to Joe Biden’s son “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.” "

 

Do you have any evidence that the laptop and the peculiar way it came to light did not have the earmarks of a Russian information operation?

 

People in government express informed opinions and the legitimate news media reports their opinions.  That's how it's supposed to work.  I assume you would prefer a shrill "Oh my God!  Let's make a hysterical scene without confirming this story!" response.

 

Also, as has been explained to you repeatedly (do you have comprehension problems?) Tony Bobulinksi has no credibility in this matter.  Do you have any other evidence that President Biden was involved in his son's seedy business deals?

[candide]

42 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Funny, if you were following Cnn, Msnbc,Or old Twitter no one would have known this.

Too bad that crook Giuliani only have a copy to the NYpost ????

Edited December 12, 2022 by candide

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you (falsely) claiming the laptop is STILL Russian disinformation? We've moved past that - see the headline of this thread.

 

Perhaps you can be the first leftie to say who the big guy is - if its not who we know it is?

 

I do wonder, when I come out of this "rabbit hole" will I realize that the laptop is Russian Disinfo and that the Chinese and Ukrainians were paying Hunter Biden, James Biden and Valerie Biden vast amounts of money in countries Joe Biden held significant sway for absolutely no reason at all. So mysterious! ????

Are you claiming the FBI should not have been concerned particularly when there was evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 election?

 

HOW RUSSIAN TROLLS HELPED ELECT DONALD TRUMP

As Special Counsel Robert Mueller recently re-emphasized, there is no doubt that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 election. But was the goal of that interference to elect Donald Trump, or simply to sow discord and drive already-polarized Americans even farther apart?

A new analysis of tweets produced by Russian troll farms suggests the answer is both.

Russia's state-sponsored Internet Research Agency "made coordinated efforts to drive a wedge between conservatives and liberals," writes a research team led by Darren Linvill of Clemson University. But the IRA's efforts in 2016 "went beyond ideological division to include supporting the candidacy of Donald Trump."

https://psmag.com/news/how-russian-trolls-helped-elect-donald-trump

 

 

[billd766]

14 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ignoring that the USA is IMO probably unfixable, given the "dislike" between the opposing societies within it, don't you have any desire to find out if there is anything "there" in the information on the laptop? If only half true, it's not good for Biden.

Why would I have the desire to find out anything about Hunter Biden?

 

I am not a US citizen so nothing about him affects me.

 

AFAIK he was never in any government position and only is of interest to some people because he is the son of the current US President.

 

Whether he took drugs, had porn on "his" laptop, did deals with other countries is a US problem. If he broke US laws let them deal with it. If there is enough evidence to convict him, then so be it. If not then let him alone to live his own life.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden

[Credo]

11 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you (falsely) claiming the laptop is STILL Russian disinformation? We've moved past that - see the headline of this thread.

 

Perhaps you can be the first leftie to say who the big guy is - if its not who we know it is?

 

I do wonder, when I come out of this "rabbit hole" will I realize that the laptop is Russian Disinfo and that the Chinese and Ukrainians were paying Hunter Biden, James Biden and Valerie Biden vast amounts of money in countries Joe Biden held significant sway for absolutely no reason at all. So mysterious! ????

Again, let us know when you come out of the rabbit hole.  You make accusations that are false.  Did I mention Russia in my post?  No.  Did I mention disinformation?  Again, no.   

 

I'd prefer you not quote me to make an unsubstantiated rant.   

 

Who is the big guy?  I strongly suspect it was his. coke dealer, but then it would be more than 10%.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, xylophone said:

It looks like the poster with the avatar depicting a "savage" gets his posts wrong quite often, so good on you for countering them with facts and for @heybruce in stating that the "highly organized effort" that the painted face refers to was conducted under the Trump administration, and no verifiable link to President Biden has been reported. 

 

I don't follow this very closely, however I had to laugh when he stated that people "had an irrational hatred for Trump", because in my book the man is a thief, a crook and a clown, so why wouldn't people dislike him??

Playing the man and not the ball, I see, LOL.

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6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Playing the man and not the ball, I see, LOL.

You claim people had an irrational hatred for Trump, and when reasons are invoked why it isn't irrational, you claim that's a distraction from the issue. The issue that you raised. Fuzzy thinking much?

[Phoenix Rising]

No directive: FBI agents, tech executives deny government ordered Twitter to suppress Hunter Biden story

 

"Musk and his conservative allies have insinuated the released messages provide evidence of illicit behavior by the FBI, suggesting the exchange of secret files pertaining to Hunter Biden, and improper payments made to Twitter.

But CNN’s interviews with people directly involved with the interactions and with those who have reviewed the documents disprove those claims.

Matt Taibbi, one of the journalists Musk tapped this month to comb through Twitter internal messages for evidence of free speech violations, said himself on December 2 that “there is no evidence - that I’ve seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story.”"

 

So a big nothingburger after all. How surprising!

Edited December 24, 2022 by Phoenix Rising

[ozimoron]

On 12/12/2022 at 2:10 PM, vandeventer said:

Funny, if you were following Cnn, Msnbc,Or old Twitter no one would have known this.

Sure, 8 million people would have switched their vote.

[Bkk Brian]

BREAKING: The FBI responds to @elonmusk releasing the Twitter files: "It is unfortunate that conspiracy theorists and others are feeding the American public misinformation with the sole purpose of attempting to discredit the agency."

 

 

Full statement from FBI in the twitter link

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1605655653187432448

 

[Hummin]

54 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

BREAKING: The FBI responds to @elonmusk releasing the Twitter files: "It is unfortunate that conspiracy theorists and others are feeding the American public misinformation with the sole purpose of attempting to discredit the agency."

 

 

Full statement from FBI in the twitter link

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1605655653187432448

 

America is teared apart from inside, makes a full on external war necessary to keep focused on external treath's and the conflicts as far away as possible!

[EVENKEEL]

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

BREAKING: The FBI responds to @elonmusk releasing the Twitter files: "It is unfortunate that conspiracy theorists and others are feeding the American public misinformation with the sole purpose of attempting to discredit the agency."

 

 

Full statement from FBI in the twitter link

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1605655653187432448

 

That's cute  They screw up the laptop story, then cry about it.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

That's cute  They screw up the laptop story, then cry about it.

According to?

[EVENKEEL]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

According to?

What would you call the FBI story. All the earmarks of Russian Collusion. Please.....

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

What would you call the FBI story. All the earmarks of Russian Collusion. Please.....

I'd call it exacly what it is:

 

"The correspondence between the FBI and Twitter show nothing more than examples of our traditional, longstanding and ongoing federal government and private sector engagements, which involve numerous companies over multiple sectors and industries,"

"As evidenced in this correspondence, the FBI provides critical information to the private sector in an effort to protect themselves and their customers. The men and women of the FBI work every day to protect the American public."

"It is unfortunate that conspiracy theorists and others are feeding the American public misinformation with the sole purpose of attempting to discredit the agency," 

[ThailandRyan]

29 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

That's cute  They screw up the laptop story, then cry about it.

Screwed up? Really? Tell us more.....