1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Because as anyone who has ever taken even just one course of statistics would know that the source is inherently biased. Out of the millions of people who have been vaccinated, this group self reports symptoms. We don't even know what percentage of these self-reported symptoms are even true. What method did you use to evaluate them? Blind trust? Utter credulousness? 

Right. So there is nothing to see and it's all laughable. Duly noted.

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

How do you know it shows what they say it does? You complain that people blindly trust the MSM. Can't you even glimpse the hypocrisy here?

 

I didn't mistake anything. How are you equipped to make an informed decision about medical issues?

Right. So there is nothing to see and it's all laughable. Duly noted.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Clearly, you are not aware that there is something called the VAERS. It's the Vaccine Adverse Event Report System. It's like whatever is on Rumble but a lot lot large. Anyone can report any symptoms following a vaccination. That's the self reporting part. But what medical statisticians do then is look to see if there is any actual correspondence between vaccination and symptoms by looking  at the actual data to see if those vaccinated experience more of these adverse events than would an unvaccinated person. Very occasionally something turns up. Like pericarditis in young males. But mostly not. So tell me, have you looked at the medical database, consulted random samples of the population to come up with your conclusion?

Spare me your BS please, most people around me now regret taking that stuff. Wake up.

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Just tell me how am I going to know that it isn't? Or you for that matter?

 

All I see is many, many (did I mention many?) experts who claim these sites are nothing but pseudoscience looking for a niche market of fools to donate to them.

In themselves, self-reported data isn't pseudo-science. But drawing conclusions based on them certainly is. This kind of massive ignorance and bias explains why, in the USA, members of one main political persuasion experienced a far greater mortality rate from Covid than those of the other main persuasion.

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Just tell me how am I going to know that it isn't? Or you for that matter?

 

All I see is many, many (did I mention many?) experts who claim these sites are nothing but pseudoscience looking for a niche market of fools to donate to them.

You're not ready to see the truth yet but you will be one day.

Just now, rattlesnake said:

Spare me your BS please, most people around me now regret taking that stuff. Wake up.

Thank you for your reasoned and informative response. And if anything shows your ignorance of basic statistical principles, it's the fact that you cite as evidence the regret of most people around you. 

Just now, rattlesnake said:

You're not ready to see the truth yet but you will be one day.

In other words, you've got nothing.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

You're not ready to see the truth yet but you will be one day.

Why are you refusing to say how you are equipped to make those decisions based ion non peer reviewed science?

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

In themselves, self-reported data isn't pseudo-science. But drawing conclusions based on them certainly is. This kind of massive ignorance and bias explains why, in the USA, members of one main political persuasion experienced a far greater mortality rate from Covid than those of the other main persuasion.

I'm accusing those sites of manufactured science since that seems to be the expert consensus. If the science isn't peer reviewed and published in MSM and reputable medical journals then you can guarantee it's manufactured science.

19 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Right. So there is nothing to see and it's all laughable. Duly noted.

Exactly.

President Trump pushed for a vax in record time , all while saying consult your physician before taking it.

Nothing wrong with a state going after answers to questions that the GOVT AND COMPANY’s are avoiding to discuss imop

“You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won’t compensate you for damages either”

 

The govt and big pharma have protected themselves from prosecution by utilizing the 2005 PREP ACT.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

54 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I'll ask again. On what basis do you think you're equipped to critique scientific and medical research? When the majority of experts disdain these sites, should I not sit up and take notice? What makes you think these sites are telling you the truth?

Are you sure you're replying to the right poster?????

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

President Trump pushed for a vax in record time , all while saying consult your physician before taking it.

Nothing wrong with a state going after answers to questions that the GOVT AND COMPANY’s are avoiding to discuss imop

“You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won’t compensate you for damages either”

 

The govt and big pharma have protected themselves from prosecution by utilizing the 2005 PREP ACT.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

Three years on I think we can probably conclude the virus saved far more lives than it took and that for most people it's quite safe. Long covid is a far more dangerous problem.

3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Are you sure you're replying to the right poster?????

No, sorry. It should have been rattlesnake. That said, I think the question is appropriate for anybody wishing to quote from pseudoscience sites like Rumble.

On 12/14/2022 at 6:48 AM, Bluespunk said:

Ah the irony…a politician complaining about misleading and misrepresenting, while attacking a vaccine that saved lives

Saves lives.  <laughs>
 
CDC director fully vaccinated but has had Covid twice.  "But the vaxx saved her life."  Ok
The CEO of Pfizer fully vaccinated but has had Covid twice.  "But the vaxx saved his life."  Ok

At our ages, my wife and I should be dead.  No mRNA shots.  Follow a prophylaxis protocol that will go unmentioned.

All our family member are fully vaccinated for Covid as well as most of the villagers around us.  All our family members have had Covid.  Some twice. 
Most of the villagers have had Covid.  Some twice.

My wife and I have been around most of our family members while they had active Covid and I have never worn a mask in the village.  My wife does because of "face."

How many times have we gotten Covid?  Never.  In fact, I haven't even had a regular cold or any upper respiratory infection since starting the prophylaxis.

Whatever.  Moderna made $12 Billion USD in 2021.  Pfizer made $24 Billion USD in 2021.
Politicians and regulators are well funded.  All is well. People are getting rich.

I honestly recommend that everyone get the Covid mRNA shots  (I actually mean that too).  Get those shots every opportunity you have to get them.  Every 6 months?  Good.  Every 4 months?  Better.  Every 3 months?  The best!.  When the experts say get the shots, get the shots. 

 

14 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Why are you refusing to say how you are equipped to make those decisions based ion non peer reviewed science?

Again, that rationale is a thing of the past. When literally thousands and thousands of previously healthy people suddenly have an onset of very aggressive ailments shortly after a medical procedure, then the said procedure is probably the cause of the ailment, regardless of what the "experts" (incidentally paid by the manufacturers of the said procedure) come up with as a diversion.

4 minutes ago, connda said:

Saves lives.  <laughs>
 
CDC director fully vaccinated but has had Covid twice.  "But the vaxx saved her life."  Ok
The CEO of Pfizer fully vaccinated but has had Covid twice.  "But the vaxx saved her life."  Ok

At our ages, my wife and I should be dead.  No mRNA shots.  Follow a prophylaxis protocol that will go unmentioned.

All our family member are fully vaccinated for Covid as well as most of the villagers around us.  All our family members have had Covid.  Some twice. 
Most of the villagers have had Covid.  Some twice.

My wife and I have been around most of our family members while they had active Covid and I have never worn a mask in the village.  My wife does because of "face."

How many times have we gotten Covid?  Never.  In fact, I haven't even had a regular cold or any upper respiratory infection since starting the prophylaxis.

Whatever.  Moderna made $12 Billion USD in 2021.  Pfizer made $24 Billion USD in 2021.
Politicians and regulators are well funded.  All is well. People are getting rich.

I honestly recommend that everyone get the Covid mRNA shots  (I actually mean that too).  Get those shots every opportunity you have to get them.  Every 6 months?  Good.  Every 4 months?  Better.  Every 3 months?  The best!.  When the experts say get the shots, get the shots.

 

I read all your post. 
 

My conclusion at the end. 
 

The vaccine saved lives. 
 

You offer absolutely nothing in the way of credible science based evidence to the contrary. 

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Again, that rationale is a thing of the past. When literally thousands and thousands of previously healthy people suddenly have an onset of very aggressive ailments shortly after a medical procedure, then the said procedure is probably the cause of the ailment, regardless of what the "experts" (incidentally paid by the manufacturers of the said procedure) come up with as a diversion.

If that actually happened the MSM would be all over it quoting experts. How is that a thing of the past? Are all experts and MSM lying to us lately?

 

Are niche market pseudo science sites suddenly telling the truth?

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thank you for your reasoned and informative response. And if anything shows your ignorance of basic statistical principles, it's the fact that you cite as evidence the regret of most people around you. 

Yeah it's called empirical observation and it's gaining unprecedented momentum in this world of unilateral pharma-funded "truth", if I were you I would pay attention.

 

I am genuinely curious to see how long your denial will go on for.

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

If that actually happened the MSM would be all over it quoting experts. How is that a thing of the past? Are all experts and MSM lying to us lately?

 

Are niche market pseudo science sites suddenly telling the truth?

I think we have both made our points. Thank you for giving me this opportunity and I trust we will be exchanging again in the future.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

I think we have both made our points. Thank you for giving me this opportunity and I trust we will be exchanging again in the future.

You ducked every question asked of you while I think I gave reasonable answers as to why I trust the experts and MSM.

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Three years on I think we can probably conclude the virus saved far more lives than it took and that for most people it's quite safe. Long covid is a far more dangerous problem.

Nonsense!Let the experts inquire!

3 years is nothing in comparison to all of the other vax that were developed over the years. Read the article I sourced.

“The quickest vaccine ever developed was for mumps. It took four years and was licensed in 1967. Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine was developed and cleared for emergency use in eight months — a fact that has fueled public mistrust of the coronavirus inoculation in the U.S”.

Just now, riclag said:

Nonsense!Let the experts inquire!

3 years is nothing in comparison to all of the other vax that were developed over the years. Read the article I sourced.

“The quickest vaccine ever developed was for mumps. It took four years and was licensed in 1967. Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine was developed and cleared for emergency use in eight months — a fact that has fueled public mistrust of the coronavirus inoculation in the U.S”.

Covid-19 vaccines have saved more than 3 million lives in US, study says, but the fight isn’t over

The Covid-19 vaccines have kept more than 18.5 million people in the US out of the hospital and saved more than 3.2 million lives, a new study says – and that estimate is most likely a conservative one, the researchers say.

The US is nearing the second anniversary of its first Covid-19 vaccinations, and although the coronavirus is still causing thousands of illnesses and deaths, the vaccines have made living with the virus more manageable.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/13/health/covid-19-vaccines-study/index.html

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9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You ducked every question asked of you while I think I gave reasonable answers as to why I trust the experts and MSM.

I covered this in the below topic, as you well know. I asked three questions at the top of page 5 which you conveniently avoided answering by asking other questions (see what I meant earlier by accusatory inversion?):

 

 

On 12/14/2022 at 6:48 AM, Bluespunk said:

Ah the irony…a politician complaining about misleading and misrepresenting, while attacking a vaccine that saved lives, for political purposes. 
 

He has learned well from the orange one. 

I take it that you think vaxxes work!!

 

 

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

I take it that you think vaxxes work!!

 

 

I do.

 

Because they do. 

55 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Yeah it's called empirical observation and it's gaining unprecedented momentum in this world of unilateral pharma-funded "truth", if I were you I would pay attention.

 

I am genuinely curious to see how long your denial will go on for.

I just want you've got nothing one recourse is to make wholesale allegations about corruption.

 

Another sign that you've got nothing is that you repeatedly try to make it personal.

 

You've got nothing.

On 12/15/2022 at 3:54 PM, heybruce said:

 

 

How do any of your deflections change the fact that real world data show that the risk of going unvaccinated greatly outweighs the risk of vaccination?

That's only true in developed countries though. In Africa, for example, only around 6 percent of the  population is vaccinated but the number of deaths for the entire continent was only about 1/4 that of the U.S. alone -- and 40 percent of those were in South Africa.

 

The rest of the continent was largely unaffected, despite the fact that an estimated 70 percent contracted Covid. So hardly anybody was vaccinated and yet hardly anyone died.

 

 

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