Brexit has cracked Britain’s economic foundations

[Jumbo1968]

3 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

 

Fair call but what makes you think uk would still be in the same situation. 

Economically we couldn’t be in a worse state, the Ukraine has created a surge in food and energy prices, Covid we wouldn’t have wasted billions on a failed track and trace system and faulty PPE supplied but friends of friends in the government.

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

CNN is a left leaning organisation. Which says more than you need to know and should be heeded about as much as a staunch democrat reading a Fox news anti Biden story

 

I fully support Brexit. 

 

I am not saying that the uK is not flailing about  a little. BUT, by the time they fully worked out Brexit we had 3 years of covid, followed by a world wide recession. Many issues may well have been different with covid and recessions in the world

 

 

 

 

And yet the G7 nations that did not have Brexit have all recovered their economies to pre-COVID levels.

[Muhendis]

46 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

Dreaming.

 

 

That's my guess.

Yeah sounds about right but also putting some effort into selecting the wrong leader...........several times. Very little effort seems to have been expended on post brexit deals for the national benefit.

[Mac Mickmanus]

28 minutes ago, Muhendis said:

Yeah sounds about right but also putting some effort into selecting the wrong leader...........several times. Very little effort seems to have been expended on post brexit deals for the national benefit.

To keep it factual , there has only been two leaders selected since Brexit and just one of them was the "wrong " choice .

    Its just Truss and Sunak who have been selected for the UK leadership since Brexit  and just Truss can be considered to have been the wrong choice as Sunak seems to be doing quite well .

  So its not "several" times , its *once* 

[jak2002003]

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

To keep it factual , there has only been two leaders selected since Brexit and just one of them was the "wrong " choice .

    Its just Truss and Sunak who have been selected for the UK leadership since Brexit  and just Truss can be considered to have been the wrong choice as Sunak seems to be doing quite well .

  So its not "several" times , its *once* 

Since brexit you think there has only been 2 prime ministers? 

[Jumbo1968]

12 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

To keep it factual , there has only been two leaders selected since Brexit and just one of them was the "wrong " choice .

    Its just Truss and Sunak who have been selected for the UK leadership since Brexit  and just Truss can be considered to have been the wrong choice as Sunak seems to be doing quite well .

  So its not "several" times , its *once* 

Theresa May and Johnson ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Jumbo1968 said:

Theresa May and Johnson ?

Theresa May was BEFORE Brexit , Johnson was during Brexit and since Brexit in 2020 , there have been just two Conservative leaders selected , Truss and Sunak and just Truss can be considered to be the wrong choice .

   

[Bluespunk]

32 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Since brexit you think there has only been 2 prime ministers? 

I’m thinking he does. 

[Chomper Higgot]

30 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Theresa May was BEFORE Brexit , Johnson was during Brexit and since Brexit in 2020 , there have been just two Conservative leaders selected , Truss and Sunak and just Truss can be considered to be the wrong choice .

   

Opinions differ.

[dunroaming]

18 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Uh oh…the brexiteers are not going to react well to those facts. 
 

From the OP

 

“The UK chose Brexit in a referendum, but the government then chose a particularly hard form of Brexit, which maximized the economic cost,” said Michael Saunders, a senior adviser at Oxford Economics and former Bank of England official. “Any hope for economic upside from Brexit is pretty much gone.”

 

So no sunny uplands then. 

Brexit was an unmitigated disaster but as always, there will be some brexiteers who will still hide their heads in the sand and put their fingers in their ears and shout Nah! Nah! Nah! Nah!  Nobody likes to admit they were sold a pup and this was quite a big one!

 

Reports say (ha ha) that less than a third of brexiteers still believe that Brexit was a good thing.  Well if that is what the polls say, then I suspect the figure is far greater.

 

 

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

3 hours ago, Jumbo1968 said:

The right wing media are saying brexit was a good idea, how long will they take to start saying it was a huge mistake ?

They can keep on saying it and in the reasonably near future they will be proved right.

Being in denial is exclusive to the left.

Have a look at France if this link works:

 

Edited December 26, 2022 by George FmplesdaCosteedback

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

24 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Brexit was an unmitigated disaster but as always, there will be some brexiteers who will still hide their heads in the sand and put their fingers in their ears and shout Nah! Nah! Nah! Nah!  Nobody likes to admit they were sold a pup and this was quite a big one!

 

Reports say (ha ha) that less than a third of brexiteers still believe that Brexit was a good thing.  Well if that is what the polls say, then I suspect the figure is far greater.

 

 

The <deleted> are the people who deny what is actually beginning to happen, it was delayed for a couple of years by something that got in the way. Maybe you never noticed the pandemic because you were standing on your head in a bucket of sand, or worse, reading The Guardian.

PS. I love how "brexiteers" is allowed but not the nickname for stay voters.

Edited December 26, 2022 by George FmplesdaCosteedback
typo

[Jumbo1968]

 

[Scott]

Off-topic post reported and removed.

 

[SheungWan]

Most UK members of the Soi Buakhao Brains Trust have moved on from Brexit and have gone full MAGA and Fox News Parrot.

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Opinions differ.

But facts don't.

 

So tell us, how many new leaders of the Conservative party have there been since the UK left the EU? Not since the referendum. The topic is since Brexit happened. 

Edited December 26, 2022 by youreavinalaff

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

The <deleted> are the people who deny what is actually beginning to happen, it was delayed for a couple of years by something that got in the way. Maybe you never noticed the pandemic because you were standing on your head in a bucket of sand, or worse, reading The Guardian.

PS. I love how "brexiteers" is allowed but not the nickname for stay voters.

Go on, tell us what is beginning to happen?

 

If you have evidence of it happening share that too.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

But facts don't.

 

So tell us, how many new leaders of the Conservative party have there been since the UK left the EU? Not since the referendum. The topic is since Brexit happened. 

Here’s the post I replied to, it contains three facts and an opinion:

 

Theresa May was BEFORE Brexit , Johnson was during Brexit and since Brexit in 2020 , there have been just two Conservative leaders selected , Truss and Sunak and just Truss can be considered to be the wrong choice.

 

See if you can spot the opinion 

to which I have responded ‘Opinions differ’.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

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10 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

The <deleted> are the people who deny what is actually beginning to happen, it was delayed for a couple of years by something that got in the way. Maybe you never noticed the pandemic because you were standing on your head in a bucket of sand, or worse, reading The Guardian.

PS. I love how "brexiteers" is allowed but not the nickname for stay voters.

The only way your objection makes sense is if "brexit" is somehow a word with negative connotations. Hmmm... You may have a point.

[superal]

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t know anyone who does not accept that ‘Leave’ won.

 

Regardless that is not the topic of discussion, and why would it be.

 

What is being discussed is the consequences of ‘Leave’ winning.

 

Consequences that are not acceptable to a growing number of people, which is almost certainly why Brexit supporters try so hard to deflect from discussion on the matter.

and where is your link to prove your statement and I do not want to see a journalistic link

[JonnyF]

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And yet the G7 nations that did not have Brexit have all recovered their economies to pre-COVID levels.

Ummmm, so has Britain.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/october2022

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, superal said:

and where is your link to prove your statement and I do not want to see a journalistic link

OK so you don’t like reading the news.

It does make the news go away.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Ummmm, so has Britain.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/october2022

I’ll raise your linked estimate you with a linked final data:

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/quarterlynationalaccounts/julytoseptember2022#main-points

[superal]

Under the E.U rules the UK had to abide in allowing criminals into the country . New laws have succeeded in deporting at least 1700 criminals from the UK . This was only possible because of Brexit and being free from the crazy E.U. laws . Many more criminals are being searched for .

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/more-foreign-criminals-and-illegal-migrants-removed 

 

This alone is one example of why Brexit was a good move unless you are a supporter of foreign criminals .

[jak2002003]

7 minutes ago, superal said:

Under the E.U rules the UK had to abide in allowing criminals into the country . New laws have succeeded in deporting at least 1700 criminals from the UK . This was only possible because of Brexit and being free from the crazy E.U. laws . Many more criminals are being searched for .

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/more-foreign-criminals-and-illegal-migrants-removed 

 

This alone is one example of why Brexit was a good move unless you are a supporter of foreign criminals .

What rubbish.  Where does it say that the EU forced the UK to accept Convicted criminals in that link? 

 

Find the EU law that said the UK had to accept foreign criminals plz. 

[Bluespunk]

13 minutes ago, superal said:

Under the E.U rules the UK had to abide in allowing criminals into the country . New laws have succeeded in deporting at least 1700 criminals from the UK . This was only possible because of Brexit and being free from the crazy E.U. laws . Many more criminals are being searched for .

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/more-foreign-criminals-and-illegal-migrants-removed 

 

This alone is one example of why Brexit was a good move unless you are a supporter of foreign criminals .

Where does that article mention eu rules meant the U.K. had to accept foreign criminals? 

[superal]

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

OK so you don’t like reading the news.

It does make the news go away.

Confirmed government or ONS facts have credence  and not journalistic conjecture from your favourite biased rag . 

Next thing will you be saying is the earth is flat or there is a bus on the moon ???? .

[superal]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Where does that article mention eu rules meant the U.K. had to accept foreign criminals? 

Apologies , as I thought I pasted both links but please read attached link that should appease .

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-office-announces-tougher-criminality-rules-for-eu-citizens

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13 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

To keep it factual , there has only been two leaders selected since Brexit and just one of them was the "wrong " choice .

    Its just Truss and Sunak who have been selected for the UK leadership since Brexit  and just Truss can be considered to have been the wrong choice as Sunak seems to be doing quite well .

  So its not "several" times , its *once* 

Correct. However, as far as Brexit goes, 4 Conservative Prime Ministers are implicated in creating its harmful consequences..

[superal]

14 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

What rubbish.  Where does it say that the EU forced the UK to accept Convicted criminals in that link? 

 

Find the EU law that said the UK had to accept foreign criminals plz. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-office-announces-tougher-criminality-rules-for-eu-citizens