Proof of Covid vaccines will be required again for ALL arrivals to Thailand

[lapamita]

This calculating goverment in china, looks out anybody for 3 years

now when the world get over...they open and cry

and our stupid brainless politicans dont raise any restrictions or only partly

well knowing that chinese hv low infection and low vaccine

normaly stop all chinese traverlers until same level like in the west

 

Xi is calculating and cold  like ice  , in the knowledge of the result econommicly for the rest of the world

and stupid western politicans thinks russia ís the devil ,truly not 

[Purdey]

On 1/5/2023 at 9:54 PM, edwardandtubs said:

natural immunity

Not sure this is absolutely true as this is a new variant. Viruses like the flu still kill people.

[curlylekan]

On 1/5/2023 at 2:38 PM, NanLaew said:

They're just playing follow the leader. The US says they will test arrivals from China, The UK says "no plans" for tests. Twenty-four hours later, UK requires tests. The EU said they won't and Von der Leyen herself goes on the record saying it's discriminatory.  Twenty-for hours later, the EU follow the herd. The US sees Xi's U-turn on zero-covid at home as a moment of weakness and plays the the rest of the world.

 

Why does EVERYTHING have to be a Thai bash?

Very untrue about the US being the first. Individual EU countries  and other countries across the world were all looking at doing this or that for Chinese arrivals, with scientists around the world giving varying opinions about the Chinese traveling and how harmful zero Covid could be to the rest of the world. The only area that has fallen behind is a common approach by the EU bloc.

 

[talahtnut]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What is the latest on the rules ?

I am unvaccinated and thinking about going to Thailand next week .

  Should I proceed or cancel ? 

Its really your decision, I'm not vaxed either, this is my

3rd year away from Thailand..but theres no way I'm

submitting to that highly suspicious vaxx treatment.

Well done for sticking to your guns.

[FarAway]

2 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

My wife and I have had four vaccinations each and we both caught covid two months ago. It was very mild and cleared up in seven days. You have a choice.

My wife, both her parents and me all hade zero vaccinations and we all caught COVID around a year ago.

It was very mild and cleared up in between 2-6 days. Just my wife had some impaired sense of smell for 2-3 months afterwards, but that happened with old versions of Coronaviruses before 2019 already as well.

 

EDIT: I forgot my father. He is living in Germany, over 60, diabetic and overweight. Risk group of the risk group. Unvaccinated. Got COVID around 6 months ago, 1 day in bed, next day outside on his feet again, just a small cough with some pain left for about a week.

Edited January 6, 2023 by FarAway

[still kicking]

6 minutes ago, FarAway said:

My wife, both her parents and me all hade zero vaccinations and we all caught COVID around a year ago.

It was very mild and cleared up in between 2-6 days. Just my wife had some impaired sense of smell for 2-3 months afterwards, but that happened with old versions of Coronaviruses before 2019 already as well.

 

EDIT: I forgot my father. He is living in Germany, over 60, diabetic and overweight. Risk group of the risk group. Unvaccinated. Got COVID around 6 months ago, 1 day in bed, next day outside on his feet again, just a small cough with some pain left for about a week.

Let me answer to that, my 2 friends lived in Germany as well vaccinated nurses 40 years old no underlying problems died of covid last year 

[treetops]

I'm not convinced they're not jumping the gun, but this has been put out by the government PR department.

 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

8 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Apparently not available in Thailand, you might consider after arriving in the US get a vaccination for XBB.1.5 Omicron subvariant that seems to be sweeping the US. Worse effects than Covid-19 and easier to infect.

 

Yes, I intend to get the new bivalent vaccination as soon as I arrive.

[FarAway]

14 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Let me answer to that, my 2 friends lived in Germany as well vaccinated nurses 40 years old no underlying problems died of covid last year 

 

Cool.

So we have 5 people that are unvaccinated, 3 in the risk group.

And 2 people that are vaccinated and not in the risk group.

 

All got COVID.

 

The 5 unvaccinated people all are still alive and had a flu.

The 2 vaccinated people died.

 

Interesting. And you are seeing this as an argumentation for the danger of COVID instead of the danger of the vaccinations? Even more interesting. Cognitive dissonance does not know any limits it seems.

[Lorry]

2 hours ago, lapamita said:

This calculating goverment in china, looks out anybody for 3 years

now when the world get over...they open and cry

and our stupid brainless politicans dont raise any restrictions or only partly

well knowing that chinese hv low infection and low vaccine

normaly stop all chinese traverlers until same level like in the west

 

Xi is calculating and cold  like ice  , in the knowledge of the result econommicly for the rest of the world

and stupid western politicans thinks russia ís the devil ,truly not 

Why not?

China exported covid 3 years ago and it worked very well. PC Western media wouldn't dare to say that Chinese returning from Chinese New Year  brought it to Italy.  WHO even changed the name. 

So now they export it again.  And nobody dares to blame them. 

[Lorry]

3 minutes ago, FarAway said:

 

Cool.

So we have 5 people that are unvaccinated, 3 in the risk group.

And 2 people that are vaccinated and not in the risk group.

 

All got COVID.

 

The 5 unvaccinated people all are still alive and had a flu.

The 2 vaccinated people died.

 

Interesting. And you are seeing this as an argumentation for the danger of COVID instead of the danger of the vaccinations? Even more interesting. Cognitive dissonance does not know any limits it seems.

There should be an emoji for vomiting

[still kicking]

3 minutes ago, FarAway said:

 

Cool.

So we have 5 people that are unvaccinated, 3 in the risk group.

And 2 people that are vaccinated and not in the risk group.

 

All got COVID.

 

The 5 unvaccinated people all are still alive and had a flu.

The 2 vaccinated people died.

 

Interesting. And you are seeing this as an argumentation for the danger of COVID instead of the danger of the vaccinations? Even more interesting. Cognitive dissonance does not know any limits it seems.

No argument from me just stating a fact I am in the danger group and I had 4 shots 

[Banana7]

What will people do who have already bought, and paid for flights and accomodation that don't have the required number of shots, and plan to arrive in 2 or 3 weeks? The shots have to be at least 1 month apart, and ususally need to be booked in advance.

 

This new requirement for entry hasn't been thoughout properly.

[ukrules]

11 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

What will people do who have already bought, and paid for flights and accomodation that don't have the required number of shots, and plan to arrive in 2 or 3 weeks? The shots have to be at least 1 month apart, and ususally need to be booked in advance.

You don't get it - the fragile ego of the Chinese commie party needs to be stroked, they don't care about anything else.

[still kicking]

30 minutes ago, Lorry said:

There should be an emoji for vomiting

there is

[nigelforbes]

4 hours ago, BostonJoe said:

Is it me or Does anyone else feel like they just don't  like Whitey 

It's YOU!

[nigelforbes]

4 hours ago, habuspasha said:

Please cite "the medical reports," explain what you mean by "the opposite," and what you are referring to as "1 in 800."

Look at my post on the previous page and the link to Worldmetter and the US unvaccinated death rate, it's 1 in 820 people.

[bbbbooboo]

On 1/6/2023 at 12:25 AM, Eleftheros said:

Just when you think this country couldn't get any more stupid ... they always prove you wrong.

I was thinking the same thing myself

[kwilco]

my guess is that there will be a sizeable number of unvaccinated people who have already booked holidays, flights hotels etc who either haven't had jabs or will have members of their party without jabs ....or will simply be deterred from coming to Thailand because of this. It sounds like yet another un-researched dictum reacting to rising covid figures without fully assessing the risks and =consequences.

[VBF]

12 minutes ago, kwilco said:

my guess is that there will be a sizeable number of unvaccinated people who have already booked holidays, flights hotels etc who either haven't had jabs or will have members of their party without jabs ....or will simply be deterred from coming to Thailand because of this. It sounds like yet another un-researched dictum reacting to rising covid figures without fully assessing the risks and =consequences.

I know this will upset a few but WHY?????? Why the **** didn't they get vaccinated well ahead of making travel plans...like a year or 2 ago?

I fail to see why people don't get vaxxed against Covid...I bet these same people had several vaccinations as children, proving perhaps, that their parents were brighter than they are! 

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, Banana7 said:

What will people do who have already bought, and paid for flights and accomodation that don't have the required number of shots, and plan to arrive in 2 or 3 weeks? The shots have to be at least 1 month apart, and ususally need to be booked in advance.

 

This new requirement for entry hasn't been thoughout properly.

People who haven't had 2 vaccinations haven't thought out the situation properly. This was entirely predictable when a new mutation results in a surge of infections.

[nigelforbes]

Sounds like being an anti-vaxer comes with a price, above and beyond the risk to health (as if that wasn't a high enough price to pay). It sounds like they wont be allowed to travel either, or at least, not to Thailand. Hmmm, who to blame for this own goal and vacationinteruptus? Why, the Thai government of course, it couldn't possibly be their own fault, noooooo way. 

[andyman57]

Do we need the travel insurance again

[MicroB]

4 hours ago, Banana7 said:

What will people do who have already bought, and paid for flights and accomodation that don't have the required number of shots, and plan to arrive in 2 or 3 weeks? The shots have to be at least 1 month apart, and ususally need to be booked in advance.

 

This new requirement for entry hasn't been thoughout properly.

They may have time to arrange for a Janssen vaccination; this is a single shot vaccine, but you need it 14 days before travel to Thailand. Recognised by Thailand. In addition,  if you had COVID-19 before, and subsequently get a single shot, of any Covid vaccine, that is also considered "fully vaccinated" by Thailand.

 

To those wondering about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines, based on what they read in the popular press, the vaccines with EUAs in US/Europe are generally considered to have about 50% efficacy.

 

Most vaccines of any sort are not what you call "sterilizing". Efficacy rates are based on detection of illness, not detection of infection.

 

We say the measles vaccine in kids is highly effective because they don't get the measles rash and they don't die. But as soon as you start looking for the virus, you will find it still circulating in vaccinated kids, albeing not causing illness, or causing a much milder illness.

 

The number of true sterilizing vaccines is pretty small. Hep-A, Polio and HPV vaccines are all very good, with efficacy in the high 90s%. The BCG Vaccine (TB) is 50-60% and has been in use for 100 years. Typhoid shots are 50% effective. A flu vaccine is considered worth deploying if its 30% effective.

 

Just stated for informational purposes. Not interested in further debate. Feel free to reply, but there won't be a response.

 

[MicroB]

31 minutes ago, andyman57 said:

Do we need the travel insurance again

Well, one should always have travel insurance. However, they are requiring COVID treatment cover for those travellers going onwards to a country requiring a negative COVID test prior to entry.

[MicroB]

11 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

Theoretically yes, in practise probably the chance is very very low. If you have already built up antibody resistance via jabs and by catching covid previously, your immune system will deal with the virus very effectively in short timescales which means the window in which you could transmit the virus to others, is very small. The problem comes in when a person catches the virus and doesn't have effective antibody resistance and struggles for weeks whilst their immune system deals with it, that window for transmission is much larger. and longer

Good post. Its also the scenario in which the variants arise. The Alpha variant (Kent strain, remember that) probably arose in Dartford from an individual, likely either with Cancer or HIV who struggled to shake it off. Omicron came from Botswana, where one in three of the adult population is HIV positive. A new strain was observed to emerge in one poor sap in Boston (US) who spent months in hospital before succumbing.

[hotchilli]

On 1/5/2023 at 8:04 PM, snoop1130 said:

The first flights from China, in the wake of the announcement from China, are scheduled to arrive at Suvarnabhumi Airport on January 12. So the time for the re-introduction of the measures will be sometime from now until January 12… the Minister was not clear on this.

Time the ministers got their act together before people start arriving on the 12th not knowing what the entry criteria will be?

[MicroB]

On 1/5/2023 at 8:56 PM, gejohesch said:

That's a bit reassuring. I'm "fully" vacc'ed (3 times Pfizer, the last one in Dec 2021). So, no need to get another jab then?

 

Another question I have is, I'm going for 1 week to Cambodia later in January (3d week), then back to Thailand. Will I need to worry about getting tested to (first) fly from BKK to Cambodia, and (second) to fly back to Thailand 1 week later?

 

Shxt, when we were thinking that we could start relaxing a bit about COVID! ???? Now we have to start worrying about all those rules again! ????

I work in the field. When we first became aware in January 2020, back then I estimated this will be "newsworthy", in that its something we are all generally aware of, for 5 years, so by early mid-2025 it will cease to be remarkable. I'm sticking to that.

 

Put this in perspective; the US, and Europe to an extent, endured a 40 year Polio epidemic. This meant that schools were regularly closed during outbreaks, pools and beaches were regularly closed during periodic outbreaks. When Roosevelt came to power, and he was a Polio survivor, he set up what was, in retorspect, the first crowdfunder for a new medicine; the million dime drive to get a vaccine developed. 20 years later, Salk developed his vaccine, and Eisenhower was in tears when he awarded him a medal in appreciation. Beside a massive boost to vaccine research, one good thing that came out of Polio was Intensive Care Medicine, which we now couldn't imagine medicine would be without. I can see some silver lining to this who sorry affair, some of which will have huge beneficial impacts in healthcare.  Well the mRNA vaccines were being originally developed for malaria and cancer, the former struggling for funding as malaria is not something that's commercially attractive. Well, we've now moved a step closer to making that a reality, and millions will see lives transformed. And cancer vaccines are looking very viable.

 

The EU has a 270 day rule for vaccine certificates; you need to have had a booster no more than 270 days before travel, and no less than 14days. Singapore, Israel and Bahrain enacted the same ruling. The UK takes a similar path, in terms of defining "full vaccinated".

[Eleftheros]

2 hours ago, VBF said:

I know this will upset a few but WHY?????? Why the **** didn't they get vaccinated well ahead of making travel plans...like a year or 2 ago?

I fail to see why people don't get vaxxed against Covid

Because some people do not belong to the herd mentality.

 

There are still some people who are capable of doing their own research, and coming to their own conclusions about whether the risk/benefit of the Covid "vaccines" makes any sense for them, rather than blindly accepting everything the Government tells them.

 

Of course they will suffer in terms of travel restrictions; Governments promote and encourage the herd mentality, as it makes people easier to control.

 

Like Novak Djokovic, those people who have decided against vaccination are prepared to put up with the inconveniences of not submitting to Government diktat, especially as it is clear that the restrictions make no sense in health terms.

[Foghorn]

Don’t get a fake vaccine, exercise instead , get fit