I am reading a sea change in the need to get vaccine boosters for covid. I've had 3 (the last 12 months ago), covid itself 3 months ago, (nearly 4), and I was planning on getting a 4th vaccination 4 months after my infection, as previously recommended by the CDC.

 

But, as I said, there seems to be a growing school of thought that thinks it is not a good idea to get any more boosters. I don't know if any doctors here would subscribe to that, as most are in thrall to big Pharma.

 

My query is simply to find out if others are reading the same articles. The Wall Street Journal has one about the new bivalent vaccine, which says it is not as effective as the original vaccine.

 

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I will be getting no further shots unless they become mandatory for freedom of travel.

 

That was the only reason I had the first three.

1 hour ago, samtam said:

The Wall Street Journal has one about the new bivalent vaccine, which says it is not as effective as the original vaccine.

I think you may have misunderstood the article. All the research shows that the bivalent booster is superior but maybe not by much. See this Time article:

 

https://archive.ph/D5w2Q

 

The key thing is your age and whether you're in a clinical risk group. If you're under the age of 50 and not in a clinical risk group then you should definitely not get any more boosters. In fact, the UK is withdrawing vaccine availability for such people and if you look at data that informed that decision, it's easy to see why:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-programme-for-2023-jcvi-interim-advice-8-november-2022/appendix-1-estimation-of-number-needed-to-vaccinate-to-prevent-a-covid-19-hospitalisation-for-primary-vaccination-booster-vaccination-3rd-dose-au

 

Rates of hospitalisation for someone aged 40-49 not in a clininal risk group are 4.3 in a million for those with one or two doses and 3.1 in a million for those with 3+ doses. These risks are miniscule and lower than other risks we take every day like driving our cars.

 

If you're older or in a clinical risk group, on the other hand, I'd say take the bivalent booster when it becomes available to you. I wouldn't take the monovalent because your recent infection protects you for at least six months and your memory B cells will continue to mature in a way that will protect you from future omicron variants. Getting injected with the Wuhan strain may in fact harm the maturation process.

Getting Covid Boosters: still a good idea?

Absolutely.  Safe and Effective!

11 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

I think you may have misunderstood the article. All the research shows that the bivalent booster is superior but maybe not by much. See this Time article:

 

https://archive.ph/D5w2Q

 

The key thing is your age and whether you're in a clinical risk group. If you're under the age of 50 and not in a clinical risk group then you should definitely not get any more boosters. In fact, the UK is withdrawing vaccine availability for such people and if you look at data that informed that decision, it's easy to see why:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-programme-for-2023-jcvi-interim-advice-8-november-2022/appendix-1-estimation-of-number-needed-to-vaccinate-to-prevent-a-covid-19-hospitalisation-for-primary-vaccination-booster-vaccination-3rd-dose-au

 

Rates of hospitalisation for someone aged 40-49 not in a clininal risk group are 4.3 in a million for those with one or two doses and 3.1 in a million for those with 3+ doses. These risks are miniscule and lower than other risks we take every day like driving our cars.

 

If you're older or in a clinical risk group, on the other hand, I'd say take the bivalent booster when it becomes available to you. I wouldn't take the monovalent because your recent infection protects you for at least six months and your memory B cells will continue to mature in a way that will protect you from future omicron variants. Getting injected with the Wuhan strain may in fact harm the maturation process.

Thank you! I'm 65, but in good physical health, and have no comorbidities. I will wait until the bivalent becomes available in Thailand, although that may be more than another 2 months (which will be 6 months after my infection).

Apprise yourself of the newly emerging data and facts, be informed to have the ability to make a decision re the mRNA vaccine.

 

"In the most basic way, mRNA vaccines work."

Now this:

Fauci now says in a published paper (CELL) says the COVID gene injection vaccine & similar respiratory vaccines were problematic to begin & likely DO NOT WORK & CANNOT work, NOT as is;
https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/fulltext/S1931-3128(22)00572-8#%20

 

“Past unsuccessful attempts to elicit solid protection against mucosal respiratory viruses and to control the deadly outbreaks and pandemics they cause have been a scientific and public health failure that must be urgently addressed.”

https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1931-3128(22)00572-8

In the most basic way, mRNA vaccines work by making our cells produce huge amounts of the spike protein causing a powerful response with high levels of anti-spike protein antibodies, far more than our immune systems produce in response to an actual coronavirus infection. Fauci and other scientists hoped those antibodies would have a strong and lasting protective effect.
Only they didn’t. The more you vaccinate the higher the risk of covid infection.
 See attached study, Figure 2
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1

We now have two years of real-world data on the mRNAs, based on billions of doses. Putting side effects aside, they work extremely well against Covid - for about four months after the second dose.
After that, their effectiveness rapidly wanes. It falls to zero against coronavirus infection and transmission within a few months. In fact, we have increasing evidence that it eventually turns negative - that vaccinated people are MORE likely to get Covid repeatedly than the unvaccinated.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

Only they didn’t. The more you vaccinate the higher the risk of covid infection.

Not heard of variants? If most of your population is vaccinated against a variant and another variant comes a long (Omicron for example) then people are going to get infected with the new one, as most are vaccinated against Delta.

 

What anti-vaxers do is then jump to the idiotic conclusion that "the more you vaccinate, the higher the risk of infection".

 

Why do you think the bivariant booster was developed? Also, even if you do get covid, the vaccines dramatically reduce the risks of you developing serious illness from the infection - that is how vaccines work.  Take the polio vaccine, you can still get infected after taking it, but you are very well protected from developing serious illness and paralysis. 

1 hour ago, dotcalm said:

Same reason idiots can't read a graph. Right?

So a graph is everything? Again, variants - if you have new variants coming in, a variant that is more infectious than the last one, then it is likely everyone has a chance of getting it, vaccinated or not (again, the original vaccine was against another variant).,

To restate that very clear fact, if most of the population is vaccinated against the first variant, guess who is going to be most represented in infections of the new variant? 

Again, vaccines massively reduce the chances of getting serious health complications or death. You don't get the whole picture from a graph, and you clearly don't understand how vaccines work. 

2 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

Of course they do, now just provide some evidence of this.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2796235?guestAccessKey=b5fa1eb3-0d40-4ef4-bdce-0bd40db52d45&utm_source=silverchair&utm_campaign=jama_network&utm_content=covid_weekly_highlights&utm_medium=email

4 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

Of course they do, now just provide some evidence of this.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

8 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

But you should know they stop protecting after a few months, and beginning to demonstrate high case rates of myocarditis and other severe adverse affects and no safety data proving otherwise.

Absolute rubbish - covid vaccines are very safe. Any myocarditis that does occur, and it is extremely rare, is the mild kind that you recover from, unlike covid which can give you serious myocarditis - you do know there are two types, right? There is a ton of safety data and they are still being monitored, to say they are not is just a flat out lie.

 

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.121.056135

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/safety-covid-19-vaccines

11 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

yet the share of people dying who were vaccinated has risen more steeply (as shown in the chart above).

again, variants and how many shots have they taken? And the data shows otherwise, i have linked to some. 

Don't hesitate now or you'll be one of those scummy antivaxxers. Just keep getting jacked to save granny.

Covid-19 vaccine trials won’t tell us if the shots save lives, expert notes

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/21/health/covid-vaccine-save-lives/index.html

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33087398/

1 minute ago, dotcalm said:

Albert Bourla could be seen saying: "We know that the two doses of the vaccine offer very limited protection, if any."

https://www.bbc.com/news/59994912

 

Have another booster, pfizer will thank you for your business.

A study from the University of Copenhagen Statistics Denmark and Statens Serum Institute (SSI), yet to be peer-reviewed, suggests the Omicron variant is spreading more rapidly than Delta because it is better at evading vaccine-obtained immunity.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-evades-immunity-better-than-delta-danish-study-finds-2022-01-03/

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7 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

It's curious to me why the FDA has NOT fully approved all the covid vaccines up to this point. Currently all coronavirus vaccines are distributed in the US with EUA ONLY (emergency use authorization). Comirnaty was granted full FDA approval, BUT:

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) did grant full approval to Pfizer’s Comirnaty COVID-19 vaccine for ages 12 and older, however, the Comirnaty vaccine is not available in the U.S. — which means all persons who get the Pfizer vaccine are getting an EUA product.

 

If the vaccine is safe, why not grant full FDA approval and, or make the approved version, BioNTech Comirnaty, available in the US? 

 

Reasons are many and complicated more certainly and not the least of which is the immunity/liability shields afforded by EUA status?

Whats more suspicious, and perhaps reckless and underhanded, is why is the fully approved Comirnaty version is "unavailable" in USA and the CDC recommends and CDC provides EUA ONLY vaccine versions only. 

Fact check: Pfizer's FDA-approved vaccine is available in US

Comirnaty is the brand name for Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine. The FDA approved the shot in late August for Americans ages 16 and older.

But posts claiming Comirnaty is not yet available in the U.S. have racked up thousands of interactions on Facebook and Instagram over the past month

 

"I can confirm that our vaccine has been granted FDA approval and that Comirnaty is available"

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/10/20/fact-check-comirnaty-pfizers-fda-approved-vaccine-available-us/8538861002/

20 hours ago, dotcalm said:

A study from the University of Copenhagen Statistics Denmark and Statens Serum Institute (SSI), yet to be peer-reviewed, suggests the Omicron variant is spreading more rapidly than Delta because it is better at evading vaccine-obtained immunity.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-evades-immunity-better-than-delta-danish-study-finds-2022-01-03/

Again, I mean do I have to keep repeating this - V A R I A N T S - well know about and why there is now a bivariant booster. I know, your feels, vaccines bad and all that rubbish, but vaccines have saved countless lives and stopped healthcare systems from being overrun.  Because the data clearly shows that if you are vaccinated, even if you get Omicron you have a really good chance of beating it with no major health issues. Sorry, facts don't care about your feels 

 

 

20 hours ago, dotcalm said:

Covid-19 vaccine trials won’t tell us if the shots save lives, expert notes

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/21/health/covid-vaccine-save-lives/index.html

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33087398/

And again, you just show how you don't understand things, well done. 

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On 2/10/2023 at 10:00 AM, PremiumLane said:

covid vaccines are very safe.

Is there any proof of this from safety data presented from the current pfizer clinical studies that are ongoing until 2024 or some other clinical trials?  Do you have a reference for safety data supporting your claim?

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04816643

Sheep should continue getting vaxed every year.......

27 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

Sheep should continue getting vaxed every year.......

The sheep in Sweden and many countries are saying no to injections and now the government is discarding millions (8.5M) of coronavirus injections due to low demand. Similar situation in India (100M vaccines trashed) and other countries.

 

Hundreds of Millions of Covid Vaccine Doses Risk Going to Waste

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/hundreds-of-millions-of-covid-vaccine-doses-risk-going-to-waste-1.1707254

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-63324548

 

Some of the vaccines have reached their expiry date and must be destroyed. Low demand for jabs is cited as the issue.

8 hours ago, iceKing said:

Is there any proof of this from safety data presented from the current pfizer clinical studies that are ongoing until 2024 or some other clinical trials?  Do you have a reference for safety data supporting your claim?

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04816643

They have already done phase 3 trials, and of course they are ongoing, they will always monitor and study what the vaccines are doing in the real world, that is how all vaccine development works

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-development-evaluation-approval-monitoring