100,000 pages of evidence in 40 boxes - Big Joke prepares cases against 116 corrupt immigration men - offices named

[Antiparovian]

On 3/10/2023 at 7:54 AM, jacko45k said:

I suspect Pattaya will become more interesting to him in the future....sheer volume and the way they now seem to push people towards agents will warrant it!

I hope he clamps down on all the pathetic sexpats who live there

[Bday Prang]

12 minutes ago, Antiparovian said:

I hope he clamps down on all the pathetic sexpats who live there

So what brought you to Thailand then , the temples?  ????   

[mania]

On 3/9/2023 at 2:31 PM, webfact said:

They are:

Chiang Mai

Oh how shocking!!!   Chiang Mai top of the list ????

[Gknrd]

Illegal visa extensions are fixing to go threw the roof.  I hope you guys have the funds to vacate.

[Dont confuse me]

On 3/10/2023 at 1:31 AM, webfact said:

Thailand takes corruption cases very seriously and on conviction officers could face years behind bars.

Who would have thought? Gotta be fake news!

[JensenZ]

On 3/10/2023 at 9:34 AM, Gecko123 said:

Whole-heartedly applaud and support "Big Joke's" efforts in this endeavor, as should we all. Corruption in immigration offices is not a victimless crime. When people pay money to circumvent the law, those who abide by the law and follow the rules often end up being treated like second- and third-class customers because we provide no supplementary financial incentives to receive service. The same is true for those who use agents in order to circumvent bank deposit requirements. Again, this is not a harmless and victimless crime. 

Do you really feel like a victim because you don't use agents? 

[Bday Prang]

4 hours ago, novacova said:

As stated above.
Comprehension reading level of many here is very poor. Presupposes? 

What’s with posters as above? Why do they come off as angry old cantankerous grouches and lack the ability to make a point with civility. Nothing better to do? Lack mental hygiene? Upsetting isn’t it?????????????

 

 

I have no problem with people quoting me,  I'm at a loss to understand why somebody would attribute one of their own quotes to me 

  5 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

There’s no telling what Big Jok has his sights on

 

I did not write that , it was you , As part of your strangely motivated attempt to scaremonger.  As for the rest of your post I am at a loss to understand any of it,  have you been drinking ?  

 

[JensenZ]

On 3/10/2023 at 3:02 PM, Neeranam said:

Strange how visa agents never add anything to these discussions. 

 

It's strange that a person who doesn't use agents is so active in this thread - you're the top poster here with 25 posts so far. You're the immigration cheer squad.

[JensenZ]

17 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Why should agents and corrupt IO's be able to benefit from an illegal act. The law is the law. BTW I don't benefit from their actions.

This is nonsense. The law is not the law in any country. That's why people spend a fortune on lawyers and court cases - to try to figure it out. It's hardly ever black and white anywhere, and in Thailand, the law is grey at best... and then you have to find an honest lawyer to help you out - good luck with that.

[JensenZ]

15 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

Posted on YouTube 4 years ago. He's mainly talking about falsified documents being presented to Immigration.

[Bday Prang]

On 3/10/2023 at 1:53 AM, ezzra said:

Maybe those accused will get punished and sent home but corruption in Thailand is a way of life and there will always be others to take their place.

           There is no mention of any foreigners ,  The accused are 116 immigration officers, They will be Thais , so there will be no need to send any of them home, except perhaps to maybe change their uniforms if required, for an "inactive" post  or to pack their bags ready for a transfer 

                Corruption is indeed a way of life here, many seem unable to understand that.  A shining example is the Elite Visa scheme  pay some money, get a visa.

                This case / investigation in no way indicates that a serious or indeed any sort of an attempt is being made to put an end to corruption.   Possibly  somebody has not been handing over the correct percentage of the takings, or there has been some kind of internal change regarding which "dynasty" is running that side of things and a bit of a clearout was needed

                  Either way with no mention of "Agents" (except by a few members ) and no reports here of anybody being questioned in relation to this case and furthermore no reports of immigration offices refusing to deal with agents one could be forgiven for wondering why anybody is even listening to a few sad people who seek to scaremonger those who they think are in someway less worthy than themselves

[jacko45k]

5 hours ago, Antiparovian said:

I hope he clamps down on all the pathetic sexpats who live there

Do you know many of them? 

I used to be a bit negative about using agents, particularly to bypass the regulations, Struck me as staying here based in a dishonest claim. I had a change of heart and see agents as facilitators..... immigration in Jomtien is under resourced, and I regard the way they treat their clients as borderline disdain.. making them queue out into the street in hot weather, many of them elderly. I now pay an agent to bypass the queues.

I don't see why you regard people who live here, as opposed to the groups who come here for quick casual sex as more of an issue. Most are reasonable that I know, living out autumn years in a nicer climate where a better life can be had. 

[ThailandRyan]

3 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Posted on YouTube 4 years ago. He's mainly talking about falsified documents being presented to Immigration.

Which agents did to show you have money in the bank....

[ThailandRyan]

52 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Do you know many of them? 

I used to be a bit negative about using agents, particularly to bypass the regulations, Struck me as staying here based in a dishonest claim. I had a change of heart and see agents as facilitators..... immigration in Jomtien is under resourced, and I regard the way they treat their clients as borderline disdain.. making them queue out into the street in hot weather, many of them elderly. I now pay an agent to bypass the queues.

I don't see why you regard people who live here, as opposed to the groups who come here for quick casual sex as more of an issue. Most are reasonable that I know, living out autumn years in a nicer climate where a better life can be had. 

If you meet all of the requirements then yes using an agent to facilitate your visa, or extension of stay is definitely a benefit to someone who does not wish to waste the day or stand in a long hot que. To that I agree. Yet to use an agent to help you obtain the said visa or extension of stay when you don't have the necessary information and requirements is illegal and aids in the corruption.

[EVENKEEL]

This is actually brilliant. Transfer 116 IO's or whatever. Now when these positions are filled again and these 116 positions will most likely if not certainly require a handsome fee to be paid. This could be a huge payday for the higher ups who share the loot.

[jacko45k]

36 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Yet to use an agent to help you obtain the said visa or extension of stay when you don't have the necessary information and requirements is illegal and aids in the corruption.

Many who do this may well be unaware that they participate in some illegal scheme and corruption.... there is victim blaming going on here, when the corruption persists within the 4 walls on soi 5, the undersized walls of soi 5 at that. 

[ThailandRyan]

37 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Many who do this may well be unaware that they participate in some illegal scheme and corruption.... there is victim blaming going on here, when the corruption persists within the 4 walls on soi 5, the undersized walls of soi 5 at that. 

Tell us how folks obtaining a Visa or extension of stay don't know what the actual requirements are? No victim blaming here at all.  It's called aiding and abetting criminal activity being done by the agent and IO.  Sure folks are forced off and onto an agent by the IO, this is where they the IOs are corrupt. In the end however one decided to go about getting a visa or extension of stay is up to them, but those when caught out because of not meeting the requirements only have themselves to blame. However, when that occurs none will take the responsibility on there own shoulders but instead blame the system for allowing it. This is what Big Joke is trying to reel in......my view of course.

Edited March 12, 2023 by ThailandRyan

[novacova]

6 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

 

 

I have no problem with people quoting me,  I'm at a loss to understand why somebody would attribute one of their own quotes to me 

  5 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

There’s no telling what Big Jok has his sights on

 

I did not write that , it was you , As part of your strangely motivated attempt to scaremonger.  As for the rest of your post I am at a loss to understand any of it,  have you been drinking ?  

 

Delusional and incapable of empirical thought not to mention challenged reading comprehension ????????

[novacova]

8 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

So what brought you to Thailand then , the temples?  ????   

It’s individuals such as this that come here for the wrong reasons. Only one debased thought in mind and a warped view towards women that ultimately tends to treat women here like trash. Though the real trash are the ones that come here with such intent and maybe they happen to be the majority that skirt the law. So do I care what happens to these types? No, not one bit, I can care less. If someone gets caught up in a failed visa situation from working with an agent, then fine and no pity from this camp because it’s solely on them, their responsibility 100%, aware of the risks or not. And if what is said here gets in the crawl of anyone here, then good, because that affect brings a warm glowing feeling. So please say some more ????????????

Edited March 12, 2023 by novacova

[proton]

20 hours ago, itsari said:

Only you and a few strange thinking people think it is illegal .

The practice of using agents when not all the requirements are met has been active for decades .

Big joke will not change anything on that line I am quite sure .

Strange to think bribery and corruption are illegal? that's a strange attitude. People getting bent extensions are always trying convince themselves and the rest of us what they do is legal, when it's clearly not, and that just because it's been going on for years that makes it ok and that it will never change. They have stopped people cheating the system in the past, such as fake visa runs involving agents and IO's stamping passports when they should not have for a fee. Those with extensions obtained by bribery thinking it will go on forever are being optimistic.

[itsari]

18 minutes ago, proton said:

Strange to think bribery and corruption are illegal? that's a strange attitude. People getting bent extensions are always trying convince themselves and the rest of us what they do is legal, when it's clearly not, and that just because it's been going on for years that makes it ok and that it will never change. They have stopped people cheating the system in the past, such as fake visa runs involving agents and IO's stamping passports when they should not have for a fee. Those with extensions obtained by bribery thinking it will go on forever are being optimistic.

Many benefits for the Thai economy from the present system . Nothing lasts for ever but you could say big joke will be gone before any changes are made to the present agent , immigration relationship . 

No prosecutions then the present system is legal . 

Visa runs are something that needs to be changed . Covid got them to change that system , a pity they reverted back to making there bread and butter running all over the place to stay longer in Thailand .

[Rimmer]

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100,000 pages of evidence in 40 boxes - Big Joke prepares cases against 116 corrupt immigration men - offices named

[Adumbration]

The investigation will result in the finding that it is the fault of the farangs.  If they were not here in Thailand the Immigration officers would not have to issue fake visas.

[Adumbration]

I could not care less about this.  I have 800K in the bank have done for decades.  When is he going to address the charge for residency certificates that are supposed to be free.

 

That would at least be of some benefit to me.

[Andrew65]

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Do you know many of them? 

I used to be a bit negative about using agents, particularly to bypass the regulations, Struck me as staying here based in a dishonest claim. I had a change of heart and see agents as facilitators..... immigration in Jomtien is under resourced, and I regard the way they treat their clients as borderline disdain.. making them queue out into the street in hot weather, many of them elderly. I now pay an agent to bypass the queues.

I don't see why you regard people who live here, as opposed to the groups who come here for quick casual sex as more of an issue. Most are reasonable that I know, living out autumn years in a nicer climate where a better life can be had. 

Jomtien is a walk in the park compared to Chaeng Wattana/Laksi in Bangkok. I used Jomtien twice when I lived in Patts, but most of my time was spent in Bangkok.

I would say on average it took 30 minutes in Jomtien, and 2 hours at CW. I think it's just down to the sheer volume of people that use the Bangkok office.

[proton]

2 hours ago, itsari said:

Many benefits for the Thai economy from the present system . Nothing lasts for ever but you could say big joke will be gone before any changes are made to the present agent , immigration relationship . 

No prosecutions then the present system is legal . 

Visa runs are something that needs to be changed . Covid got them to change that system , a pity they reverted back to making there bread and butter running all over the place to stay longer in Thailand .

What benefits are there from the present (illegal) system? apart to the leeching agents and criminal officers? 

[Artisi]

22 hours ago, itsari said:

Mocked?

His main worry is being sacked again I would think.

Don't see much chance of him being sacked again, I would say he has the blessing from the correct source ensuring his position is more than safe. 

[itsari]

3 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Don't see much chance of him being sacked again, I would say he has the blessing from the correct source ensuring his position is more than safe. 

Depends on the election results of course .

 

[brianburi]

5 minutes ago, itsari said:

Depends on the election results of course .

 

Exactly,  Big Job is a protégé of Prawit and cannot see him be elected as PM.  There again....... 

[Burma Bill]

2 hours ago, Adumbration said:

Immigration officers would not have to issue fake visas.

With respect, surely these visas are genuine and not fake? If they were fake, then wouldn't they be detected at Immigration desks when entering/leaving Thailand? I used agents, including a friendly local IO, for my annual retirement extensions over several years and I was never stopped during my numerous visits to neighboring countries and the UK. The rubber stamp visa in my passport was no different from any other - agent or no agent!