2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Quote my whole post and don't take things out of context. 

What?  The only context is the photograph and whether you honestly see a baseball bat next to Bragg's head.  That's all I asked you.

8 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

So that makes it OK for the media to lie in your opinion? 

 

"We the media know who the bad guys are, so it's OK for us to lie to the people in order to stop them."  Is that what you're getting at?  And you don't see any problem with that?

Making up quotes to smear someone? Youir comment is truly Trumpworthy.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

The image clearly show that Trump is okay with actively taking part in death and destruction. So his death and destruction talk is not just a prediction of the inevitable but something it's okay to be part of it.

That's your opinion.  I don't find it to be realistic.

 

Personally, I don't believe that Trump is actually going to beat Bragg with a baseball bat if he chooses to charge him.

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Making up quotes to smear someone?

Not at all.  I'm asking you if that's your stance.

 

Why not just answer the question instead of evading?

Just now, BangkokReady said:

That's your opinion.  I don't find it to be realistic.

 

Personally, I don't believe that Trump is actually going to beat Bragg with a baseball bat if he chooses to charge him.

The realism isn't the issue. The fact is that in his mind and apparently the minds of his supporters, it's okay to be in such a picture. What kind of message does that send?

1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:

Not at all.  I'm asking you if that's your stance.

 

Why not just answer the question instead of evading?

Actually, you didn't ask me the question.

But asking for a general statement about the media lying in this context is just a deflection. Did the media lie about Trump posting that photo? Did it lie about Trump prophesying death and destruction?

3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

That's your opinion.  I don't find it to be realistic.

 

Personally, I don't believe that Trump is actually going to beat Bragg with a baseball bat if he chooses to charge him.

Does anyone in their right mind believe he would actually do it?

 

What part of hate speech, image of violence, actual death threats received by Bragg and warnings of death and destruction do you not understand?

 

There is no defense for this but its amusing you're attempting to make them.

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The realism isn't the issue. The fact is that in his mind and apparently the minds of his supporters, it's okay to be in such a picture. What kind of message does that send?

The realism is the issue, as that is what I was discussing.  My point was that it is being reported as though Trump is directly threatening some sort of violence if he is charged, when in reality he could easily be suggesting that people might riot.

 

When discussing whether claims made in a news report are accurate or not, realism of course matters a great deal.

 

It doesn't matter if the posting of the picture was good or bad, or who agrees or disagrees with it, it still has to reported honestly.

41 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Is that really your perception of the photograph?

 

I'm intrigued as, when I look at the photograph, I see a picture of Trump holding a baseball bat, I see a picture of Bragg standing at a media lectern, but the baseball bat really couldn't be further from Bragg's head.

 

The bat is actually closer to Trump's head than it is to Bragg's.

 

The bat certainly isn't next to Bragg's head. 

 

Do you genuinely believe that the baseball bat is next to Bragg's head?  Do you not know what "next to" means?  Or are you lying?

 

I know lying about Trump is pretty much a national past-time in the US, but it seems so weird to me that people do it so blatantly.  "Here's a photo of Trump without a baseball bat next to someone's head, but I'm going to lie and tell people that the photo shows Trump with a baseball bat next to someone's head because it makes Trump sound worse."  It's just so bizarre.

You don’t do montage then.

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, you didn't ask me the question.

Well, if you jump in to another discussion...

 

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But asking for a general statement about the media lying in this context is just a deflection.

Not at all.  I'm merely commenting on the accuracy of the reporting.  Nothing wrong with that at all.

 

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Did the media lie about Trump posting that photo? Did it lie about Trump prophesying death and destruction?

If they say something that isn't true, is that a lie?

35 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Possibly hinting that people might riot if he is "falsely charged".  Not necessarily threatening anything.

 

The baseball bat clearly isn't next to Bragg's head.

 

Whether you like Trump or not, and whether you agree that he should say such things or not, it's interesting to see the level of misrepresenting of facts that the media does when it comes to Trump, along with how easily people who hate Trump accept lies uncritically and repeat them as fact.

Nice car you’ve got their Mr, shame if anything should happen to it.

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

The realism is the issue, as that is what I was discussing.  My point was that it is being reported as though Trump is directly threatening some sort of violence if he is charged, when in reality he could easily be suggesting that people might riot.

 

When discussing whether claims made in a news report are accurate or not, realism of course matters a great deal.

 

It doesn't matter if the posting of the picture was good or bad, or who agrees or disagrees with it, it still has to reported honestly.

"Bragg, DA probing Trump, received death threat letter with white powder".

 

Manhattan DA probing Trump received death threat letter with white powder (nbcnews.com)

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nice car you’ve got their Mr, shame if anything should happen to it.

That's an implied direct threat.  Not the same as saying "if you do this thing then it will cause other people to do another thing".

27 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

You believe the "death and destruction" is Trump attacking Bragg with a baseball bat if he doesn't drop the charges?  You seriously believe that?

Let’s see what the trial judge says when Trump is arraigned, because the prosecution absolutely will present this as evidence of Trump attempting to intimidate the DA.

Just now, BangkokReady said:

The realism is the issue, as that is what I was discussing.  My point was that it is being reported as though Trump is directly threatening some sort of violence if he is charged, when in reality he could easily be suggesting that people might riot.

 

When discussing whether claims made in a news report are accurate or not, realism of course matters a great deal.

 

It doesn't matter if the posting of the picture was good or bad, or who agrees or disagrees with it, it still has to reported honestly.

Well, if anyone is being dishonest here it's you lying to yourself.

You have to be in deep denial not to accept that Trump has b

Any rational person seeing someone posing holding a bat up close to another photo of a person he has made no bones about hating, wouldn't have any problem seeing that it's an endorsement of violence. Especially when posted so closely in time with predictions of death and destruction.

Keep in mind that it was Trump who chose to repost that photo. The press didn't force him to do that.

1 minute ago, LosLobo said:

"Bragg, DA probing Trump, received death threat letter with white powder".

 

Manhattan DA probing Trump received death threat letter with white powder (nbcnews.com)

You think Trump sent a death threat and white powder to Bragg?

3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Well, if you jump in to another discussion...

 

Not at all.  I'm merely commenting on the accuracy of the reporting.  Nothing wrong with that at all.

 

If they say something that isn't true, is that a lie?

So, where are the lies in this case?

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s see what the trial judge says when Trump is arraigned, because the prosecution absolutely will present this as evidence of Trump attempting to intimidate the DA.

Perhaps they will, but I find it difficult to believe that the court will draw a link between the photo and the twitter post, nor the twitter post and Bragg.

1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:

That's an implied direct threat.  Not the same as saying "if you do this thing then it will cause other people to do another thing".

OK, try this.

 

If you hit me don’t blame me for what my brothers might do to you.

 

 

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

So, where are the lies in this case?

Stated clearly previously in the thread.

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Perhaps they will, but I find it difficult to believe that the court will draw a link between the photo and the twitter post, nor the twitter post and Bragg.

See you in court.

4 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

You think Trump sent a death threat and white powder to Bragg?

You’ve heard of stochastic terrorism?

1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:

You think Trump sent a death threat and white powder to Bragg?

Trump's lies and rhetoric are most likely the reason behind it.

 

Occam's Razor comes to mind.

 

"The simplest explanation is usually the correct one".

 

Occam's razor - Wikipedia

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Stated clearly previously in the thread.

Stated ridiculously, you mean. It's a montage. Not meant to represent reality. Why do you think Trump reposted it? Because he's an art lover? Or he's challenging Bragg to a batting contest?

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

That's nice, coming from the Democrat party that's full of hate!!!

Hate for what?

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

OK, try this.

 

If you hit me don’t blame me for what my brothers might do to you.

Still a little too direct, since Trump isn't suggesting that anything will happen to Bragg.  Also "don't blame me" is far more of a direct threat than what Trump wrote.

 

Perhaps it's more like: "It would be a very stupid member of staff here to hit me for no reason, as the people that like me might be angry and express their anger by attacking the place of business."

Trump supporters suddenly go all literal when the dog whistle they them selves read and respond to is called out by others.

 

They are cowards, incapable of displaying any courage in their convictions, hiding behind wafer thin plausible deniability.

 

Trump and this kind of behavior from Trump makes them feel better about themselves.

 

 

Think about that for a moment.

 

 

 

Shameful allusion to the Howard Beach and other racially motivated attacks of black men where baseball bats were used.  Howard Beach is in Queens, Trump's hometown, and it is inconceivable that he is not aware of the ugly and raw racial vigilantism that the image of him brandishing a baseball bat near the head of the NY district attorney intentionally evokes. He should be arrested immediately for obstruction of justice. The horrible man just keeps getting horribler and horribler with each passing day.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Beach_racial_attack

 

 

9 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Trump's lies and rhetoric are most likely the reason behind it.

But he didn't do it, so what does it have to do with what is being discussed?

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Stated ridiculously, you mean. It's a montage. Not meant to represent reality. Why do you think Trump reposted it? Because he's an art lover? Or he's challenging Bragg to a batting contest?

Not ridiculously at all.  It doesn't show a baseball bat next to Bragg's head, therefore to say it does is a lie.