NY grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump, sources tell CNN

[Thingamabob]

It will be interesting to see how things pan out from here. Surely going to be difficult for Trump to get nominated by the GOP now, but he's the kind of guy who can never be ruled out.

[Peterw42]

Do the die hard trump fan boys realize, the charges are not really to do with payment to a porn star, the charges are to do with using election funds to make the payment.

[Rimmer]

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[Jingthing]

Cohen went to jail for doing what Trump ordered him to do.

 

 

 

Is that justice?

 

 

[pomchop]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think overall this is a sad situation.

I would love to see Trump in jail, but please for a real crime and not because he supposedly lied about a payment to a hooker.

He should have been prosecuted a long time ago for treason.

He should have been in jail for obstruction of justice.

There are so many real bad things this guy did that it is amazing that he is not in jail.

 

If he goes down basically because he f@$#%# that woman, then I understand why people are upset. 

Jail him for something real! There are more than enough real reasons. 

Patience...the train is coming down the tracks and it is a great big powerful locomotive pulling a ton of evidence on the coup man.  Obviously they have to be absolutely sure to have all the i's dotted and the t's crossed as the repubs  of course will be whining their see no evil hear no evil heads off that it is all a witch hunt and little donnie is practically a saint or the second coming of Jesus.

[Thingamabob]

6 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Do the die hard trump fan boys realize, the charges are not really to do with payment to a porn star, the charges are to do with using election funds to make the payment.

The indictment has been made under seal. To quote your words, how is it you know what 'the charges are to do with' ?

[Peterw42]

Just now, Thingamabob said:

The indictment has been made under seal. To quote your words, how is it you know what 'the charges are to do with' ?

That has been the commentary all along. Its not against the law to pay off hookers, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW to use election funds inappropriately.

[KhunLA]

55 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Love him or hate him this is a set-up. It will further divide America and expose Sorus backing to certain DA's. Hunter gets nothing despite drug fueled videos?  and arrest Trump for a payment unrelated to politics?  SERIOUSLY?

DISTRACTION is what it's all about ...

... divide & conquer the ignorant

 

Tyranny 101 ... better keep that 2nd Amendment, as suspect it may be needed in another decade or so.

 

Founding Fathers of the Constitution were spot on ????

 

I left that sh!thole when they started justifying invading & occupying sovereign countries.

[candide]

3 hours ago, eisfeld said:

I'm pretty sure their strategy is to go slow but steady. First they brought charges against things in his vicinity and checked how that goes. The result was the conviction of the Trump Organization on 17 criminal charges and a few people around him. Now they are bringing criminal charges directly against him but starting with the smallest case. The hammer will fall later. It's a very delicate and unprecedented thing. They'll need to handle it carefully and strategically.

Who is "they"?

[Misty]

43 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Justice system? or just us system? It will only make our support for him that much stronger. Wait until the shoe is on the other foot!

Look, this guys was never just "one of us."  There are multiple books and articles going back to the 90s written on the subject.  The only strange thing is how poorly he was vetted when running for office.  I guess no one thought he'd win, and the media found covering him entertaining and profitable. 

 

But if you read his history - books and articles published going back decades, you'll find:

 

Some think there's ample evidence that his family property business was involved in money laundering for the Italian mob at least as far back as the 80s.

Some think there's ample evidence that he became a confidential informant (CI) for the FBI against the Italian mob, in the 80s or 90s

Some think there's ample evidence that he merely used CI status for protection from crimes he did with the Italian mob. But once the Italian mob was vanquished, he just switched to money laundering for the Russian mob

Some think there's ample evidence that he continued money laundering for the Russian mob through his casinos, property developments, hotels and golf courses from the late 80s onwards

 

This guys was never just "one of us." The mistake he made was running for office. Likely he did it for publicity and money.  He never dreamed (nor did anyone else it seems) that he would actually get elected.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

DISTRACTION is what it's all about ...

... divide & conquer the ignorant

 

Tyranny 101 ... better keep that 2nd Amendment, as suspect it may be needed in another decade or so.

 

Founding Fathers of the Constitution were spot on ????

 

I left that sh!thole when they started justifying invading & occupying sovereign countries.

Pause for a moment and consider this.

 

If you can be held accountable under the law, why not Trump too?

[In Full Agreement]

Does this mean Donald Dump is not above the law?  Will he actually be held accountable for crimes he's committed.

 

His trial likely won't begin before the 2024 Presidential Election.

 

Is it conceivable he could be running for President while being tried for  alleged crimes?

 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, In Full Agreement said:

Does this mean Donald Dump is not above the law?  Will he actually be held accountable for crimes he's committed.

 

His trial likely won't begin before the 2024 Presidential Election.

 

Is it conceivable he could be running for President while being tried for  alleged crimes?

 

Yes, it's possible.

But more indictments are coming.

Even more serious ones.

[jvs]

10 minutes ago, In Full Agreement said:

Does this mean Donald Dump is not above the law?  Will he actually be held accountable for crimes he's committed.

 

His trial likely won't begin before the 2024 Presidential Election.

 

Is it conceivable he could be running for President while being tried for  alleged crimes?

 

He could even be elected while in jail!

Will his friends come see him?Now that would be very funny,Xi,Putin and Kim all coming to see him in his cell.

 

[Gecko123]

If he eats a bucket of KFC before surrendering to authorities, the perp walk may turn into a burb walk.

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, jvs said:

He could even be elected while in jail!

Will his friends come see him?Now that would be very funny,Xi,Putin and Kim all coming to see him in his cell.

 

My understanding and this has of course never been tested is that if elected president while in prison, he would be let out as long as he is president. Of course trump would become a president for life as he's obviously a wannabe dictator so that would take care of it.

Also the new president if not him could pardon him like Nixon was pardoned.

[Gecko123]

People who are arguing that indicting Trump is unseemly and makes America look like a "banana republic" are basically saying that a different standard should be applied to him which goes against "no one is above the law." They're also forgetting that the case will be tried in front of a jury and be scrutinized by the press and public every step of the way.

[PPGuy]

Interesting Newsweek Op-Ed on Biden giving Trump a pardon.

https://www.newsweek.com/president-biden-should-give-trump-pardonprecisely-because-he-doesnt-deserve-one-opinion-1790584.

 

I recall there was some discussion about whether he secretly gave himself a pardon in the final days of his term in office. Also if that is even a possibility. Maybe we are about to find out..........

 

 

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

If he eats a bucket of KFC before surrendering to authorities, the perp walk may turn into a burb walk.

There won't be a perp walk. Trump wants one so that's even better.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

2 minutes ago, PPGuy said:

Interesting Newsweek Op-Ed on Biden giving Trump a pardon.

https://www.newsweek.com/president-biden-should-give-trump-pardonprecisely-because-he-doesnt-deserve-one-opinion-1790584.

 

I recall there was some discussion about whether he secretly gave himself a pardon in the final days of his term in office. Also if that is even a possibility. Maybe we are about to find out..........

 

 

Trump is up on New York state charges. The POTUS has no ability to pardon state crimes. He would have to petition the governor of New York. I doubt Kathy Hochul would be sympathetic.

[Rimmer]

A misleading and falsified photo has been removed

[Jingthing]

Just now, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Trump is up on New York state charges. The POTUS has no ability to pardon state crimes. He would have to petition the governor of New York. I doubt Kathy Hochul would be sympathetic.

Good point!

[CharlieKo]

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

People who are arguing that indicting Trump is unseemly and makes America look like a "banana republic" are basically saying that a different standard should be applied to him which goes against "no one is above the law." They're also forgetting that the case will be tried in front of a jury and be scrutinized by the press and public every step of the way.

This Opens the door for the republicans to do the same to HRC and the Biden clan also.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

My understanding and this has of course never been tested is that if elected president while in prison, he would be let out as long as he is president. Of course trump would become a president for life as he's obviously a wannabe dictator so that would take care of it.

Also the new president if not him could pardon him like Nixon was pardoned.

He’s indicted in NY under NY statutes.

 

The tenth amendment does not permit a presidential pardon of state convictions.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

OK impeached then.

You can't impeach based on policy disagreements or policy mistakes.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

He’s indicted in NY under NY statutes.

 

The tenth amendment does not permit a presidential pardon of state convictions.

Yes, already corrected. 

Got it. 

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

Love him or hate him this is a set-up. It will further divide America and expose Sorus backing to certain DA's. Hunter gets nothing despite drug fueled videos?  and arrest Trump for a payment unrelated to politics?  SERIOUSLY?

Here we see a representative of the base MAGA in full meltdown checking all the dog whistle boxes;

 

1. Claiming trump is being set up. CHECK.

2. The great liberal boogeyman Soros, but spelt Sorus so he sounds like an evil Egyptian god. CHECK

3. Hunter Biden. CHECK.

4. Some legal mumbo jumbo ("arrest Trump for a payment unrelated to politics" - what does that even mean??). CHECK.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He's president. Can't be locked up. 

Refer Ulysses S Grant.

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Refer Ulysses S Grant.

It may not be a constitutional rule but in practicality it's the modern rule in practice. 

That is why there were no criminal investigations while Trump was president.

[Gecko123]

36 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

If he eats a bucket of KFC before surrendering to authorities, the perp walk may turn into a burp walk.

Should have read burp, not burb.