US defence secretary seeks to hearten Nato relations

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[OneMoreFarang]

And what happens if Americans vote again for Trump?

 

[Geir Rasch]

12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And what happens if Americans vote again for Trump?

 

May God prohibit!

[AgMech Cowboy]

12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And what happens if Americans vote again for Trump?

Trump was not against NATO. His beef was that the US was supporting it and most of the members were not paying the agreed upon share of their GDP's to support it. Germany wasn't even paying near the 2% it was suppose to pay.  I don't remember the other's, but he just called them on it.  His calling them out actually saved NATO.

[OneMoreFarang]

12 minutes ago, Geir Rasch said:

May God prohibit!

Like last time? Or the time before that?

And don't forget, the GOP has a pact with god, or at least all those bible thumpers. 

[ozimoron]

12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And what happens if Americans vote again for Trump?

 

Then NATO is finished.

[ozimoron]

26 minutes ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

Trump was not against NATO. His beef was that the US was supporting it and most of the members were not paying the agreed upon share of their GDP's to support it. Germany wasn't even paying near the 2% it was suppose to pay.  I don't remember the other's, but he just called them on it.  His calling them out actually saved NATO.

Nope. That was the doublespeak excuse. Trump's fealty to Putin was the real motive.

 

Now, the president’s repeatedly stated desire to withdraw from NATO is raising new worries among national security officials amid growing concern about Mr. Trump’s efforts to keep his meetings with Mr. Putin secret from even his own aides, and an F.B.I. investigation into the administration’s Russia ties.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/nato-president-trump.html

 

Former National Security Advisor John Bolton says 'Putin was waiting' for Trump to withdraw the United States from NATO in his second term

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/bolton-putin-waiting-for-trump-to-withdraw-from-nato-in-2nd-term-2022-3

 

President Donald Trump has reportedly suggested on multiple occasions that the United States withdraw from NATO — a maneuver that would roil the global community and signal a major victory for Russia.

 

Trump has made no secret of his disdain for NATO, which he once declared was “obsolete.” According to the Times, his repeated requests to withdraw from NATO have rattled administration officials, especially as concerns about his interactions with Russia and President Vladimir Putin grow.

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/15/18183759/trump-pull-out-of-nato-nyt-mattis

Edited April 22, 2023 by ozimoron

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

Trump was not against NATO. His beef was that the US was supporting it and most of the members were not paying the agreed upon share of their GDP's to support it. Germany wasn't even paying near the 2% it was suppose to pay.  I don't remember the other's, but he just called them on it.  His calling them out actually saved NATO.

Trump didn't save NATO.  Putin did, by reminding NATO why it was necessary.

[Tug]

19 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And what happens if Americans vote again for Trump?

 

Naa not going to happen trumps enabling of Putin was the best tonic for nato since it was created as far as trump most of the lady’s are ready to rip him limb from limb a majority of the men as well the republicans have no agenda only fear and division the dems are performing in a rational competent manner trumps many criminal cases are starting to bear fruit naa Trump ain’t gonna be president again 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/22/2023 at 11:55 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

And what happens if Americans vote again for Trump?

 

IMO a negotiated peace deal.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO a negotiated peace deal.

Is America at war? Or what is this peace deal about?

[OneMoreFarang]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Link to prove that is required. I do not recall any such statement.

Sorry, I don't keep links to everything he ever said. And it wouldn't make much sense anyhow because mostly he is lying. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

16 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I remember he said, I think repeatedly, that he would not honor the agreement of NATO members that if one member is attacked that the others will support that member.

 

What Trump actually said was that the USA "may  not" automatically defend any NATO Countries who didn't financially contribute to supporting NATO .

   Trump was encouraging other Countries to pay towards funding NATO

[Mac Mickmanus]

10 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Sorry, I don't keep links to everything he ever said. And it wouldn't make much sense anyhow because mostly he is lying. 

It was actually YOU who wasn't being truthful 

[metisdead]

Trump’s NATO criticism is ‘valid,’ Europe isn’t spending enough on defense, UK ex-minister says

 

 

KEY POINTS

• President Donald Trump is pushing other countries within the NATO military alliance to contribute more to their defense spending
• In 2017, the U.S. spent (at current exchange rates) an estimated $685.9 billion on defense
• Trump has criticized other NATO members for not spending enough on defense

Read more here:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/11/trumps-nato-criticism-is-valid-europe-isnt-spending-enough-on-def.html

[transam]

9 minutes ago, metisdead said:

Trump’s NATO criticism is ‘valid,’ Europe isn’t spending enough on defense, UK ex-minister says

 

 

KEY POINTS

• President Donald Trump is pushing other countries within the NATO military alliance to contribute more to their defense spending
• In 2017, the U.S. spent (at current exchange rates) an estimated $685.9 billion on defense
• Trump has criticized other NATO members for not spending enough on defense

Read more here:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/11/trumps-nato-criticism-is-valid-europe-isnt-spending-enough-on-def.html

But, perhaps the money the US spends on defence is way over the top.

 

It is the USA's decision to spend bundles on developing very advanced stuff that will always outperform the rest.........????

[MisterTee]

11 hours ago, heybruce said:

Trump didn't save NATO.  Putin did, by reminding NATO why it was necessary.

...to the MIC.

   There, completed it for you.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Sorry, I don't keep links to everything he ever said. And it wouldn't make much sense anyhow because mostly he is lying. 

So, not true then.

[ozimoron]

32 minutes ago, metisdead said:

Trump’s NATO criticism is ‘valid,’ Europe isn’t spending enough on defense, UK ex-minister says

 

 

KEY POINTS

• President Donald Trump is pushing other countries within the NATO military alliance to contribute more to their defense spending
• In 2017, the U.S. spent (at current exchange rates) an estimated $685.9 billion on defense
• Trump has criticized other NATO members for not spending enough on defense

Read more here:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/11/trumps-nato-criticism-is-valid-europe-isnt-spending-enough-on-def.html

Trump was right to criticize NATO nations for not meeting their obligations to spend 2% of their GDP on defense but I don't believe that's why he threatened to pull the US out of NATO. Far from it. That criticism was just a proxy excuse.

[vandeventer]

Every time there's talk about NATO or the Ukraine Trump comes up again. Most here never talk about what Biden is doing as he has been in office for 2 years and has caused a lot of suffering for American people. The invasion in Ukraine needs to end not go on and on and on. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, vandeventer said:

Every time there's talk about NATO or the Ukraine Trump comes up again. Most here never talk about what Biden is doing as he has been in office for 2 years and has caused a lot of suffering for American people. The invasion in Ukraine needs to end not go on and on and on. 

OK, we'll talk about Biden. Biden has done a great deal to shore up NATO and reassure them that the US backs NATO and furthermore will support Ukraine against Russian aggression as long as it takes to defeat Russia. He has also make strong moves to supply Ukraine with advanced weaponry that it needs to repel Russia. Biden has not tried to blackmail Ukraine until they spring some dirt on Trump.

[Mac Mickmanus]

30 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Trump was right to criticize NATO nations for not meeting their obligations to spend 2% of their GDP on defense but I don't believe that's why he threatened to pull the US out of NATO. Far from it. That criticism was just a proxy excuse.

It wasn't an excuse at all .

Trump wanted other member Countries to pay their fair share and not for the USA to pay so much .

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

It wasn't an excuse at all .

Trump wanted other member Countries to pay their fair share and not for the USA to pay so much .

 

Other actions by Trump support my contention that he was acting more as Putin's puppet than he was concerned about other countries underpaying. The attack by Russia convinced those countries to increase their spending without US influence as well.

[vandeventer]

27 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

OK, we'll talk about Biden. Biden has done a great deal to shore up NATO and reassure them that the US backs NATO and furthermore will support Ukraine against Russian aggression as long as it takes to defeat Russia. He has also make strong moves to supply Ukraine with advanced weaponry that it needs to repel Russia. Biden has not tried to blackmail Ukraine until they spring some dirt on Trump.

Again Trump, Ukraine will not defeat Russia only the Russian people can do this. Ukraine are losing people at a very high rate. The more advanced weapons America sends the closer we are to world war 3. Time for talks, no?

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, MisterTee said:

...to the MIC.

   There, completed it for you.

What or who is the MIC?

[Mac Mickmanus]

46 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Other actions by Trump support my contention that he was acting more as Putin's puppet than he was concerned about other countries underpaying. The attack by Russia convinced those countries to increase their spending without US influence as well.

No Trump quite clearly stated that if other member Countries paid their dues in full, then he would fully withdraw his threat not to defend them 

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3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No Trump quite clearly stated that if other member Countries paid their dues in full, then he would fully withdraw his threat not to defend them 

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"Many countries (in NATO) owe us a tremendous amount of money for many years back, where they’re delinquent, as far as I’m concerned, because the United States has had to pay for them."

As of 2014, NATO’s collective agreement instructed member countries to spend 2 percent of their gross domestic product on defense by 2024...

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/jul/11/donald-trump/trump-falsely-claims-nato-countries-owe-united-sta/

 

 

Edited April 23, 2023 by metisdead
Profane acronym removed.

[Phoenix Rising]

5 hours ago, metisdead said:

Trump’s NATO criticism is ‘valid,’ Europe isn’t spending enough on defense, UK ex-minister says

 

 

KEY POINTS

• President Donald Trump is pushing other countries within the NATO military alliance to contribute more to their defense spending
• In 2017, the U.S. spent (at current exchange rates) an estimated $685.9 billion on defense
• Trump has criticized other NATO members for not spending enough on defense

Read more here:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/11/trumps-nato-criticism-is-valid-europe-isnt-spending-enough-on-def.html

trump was "right" the way a broken watch is "right" twice a day. He had an excellent relationship with the world's worst dictators and murderous despots but a very strained relationship with the elected leaders of the allied countries of the USA. This individual must never again be in a position of such power....ever.

'Nuff said.

Edited April 23, 2023 by Phoenix Rising

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Again Trump, Ukraine will not defeat Russia only the Russian people can do this. Ukraine are losing people at a very high rate. The more advanced weapons America sends the closer we are to world war 3. Time for talks, no?

No, Russia has already made clear they won't negotiate a withdrawal that doesn't involve keeping occupied territory. Ukraine has made it clear that it wants all its territory back, including Crimea. Failure to send Ukraine advanced weaponry would only result in Russia winning, an intolerable outcome for the west. The onus on preventing ww3 lies entirely with Russia. The provocation argument is Russian propaganda.

[onthedarkside]

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